Also give ship rebalance guys a half day holiday, a medal and permission to run around Reykjavik town hall naked, theyve done a really good job.

please don't

:( you screwed my favorite BC in EVE, thanks guys...... Now all i can use is turrets, idc if you can do faster dps with turrets. Thats why there was other ships, like the DRAKE, the drake is the most ugly ship ever why give it launchers..... Now if i want launchers i have to stair at that ugly ass ship all day while i fly....... Not trying to ***** about everything but jesus.... I like some of the other things but why the FEROX......... I understand making roles etc BUT noooo, ferox was a bad ass if you outfitted it right.

Spoilsport

Give me back my Battlecruisers they were fine the way they were =(

Cant update past 21.85MB. Tried on 4 different computers, I had the same problem with the last update, had to re-download the client manually and re-install. Loosing training time here! Last time lost 3 days, only received an apology. I have 15 accounts, if I loose time this time round I will cancel all accounts!

Also why was nanopaste chosen for the AAR instead of metal scraps?

Cant update past 21.85MB. Tried on 4 different computers, I had the same problem with the last update, had to re-download the client manually and re-install. Loosing training time here! Last time lost 3 days, only received an apology. I have 15 accounts, if I loose time this time round I will cancel all accounts!

Oh you cool people.
Missile impacts cause screenshakes now.

Oh you cool people.
Missile impacts cause screenshakes now.

CCP, how do you turn this off?

Agreed, This should have it's own option that is seperate from the rest of the missile effect options.

display settings middle column as ive just been informed.

yeah but the missile effects turn off all missile effects not just the screen shake, I like the missile effects that don't cause the screen to shake

They've saved metal scraps for a later (and yet secret) Minmatar generic repair module ...

I think that if you want to do "Tiericide" then you best do it all at once because not doing so will cause an inbalance.

no, turn off camera shake in middle column not missile effects.

So far only one issue showing up for me.

My T3 Legion appears as a floating collection of 6 loosly spaced clumps of debris instead of showing a ship. This happens in the Fitting view, hanger (both hanger and captains quarters) and in space itself.

While it is interesting trying to fly space debris, I thought the Legion was more than space garbage. :)

So far only one issue showing up for me.

My T3 Legion appears as a floating collection of 6 loosly spaced clumps of debris instead of showing a ship. This happens in the Fitting view, hanger (both hanger and captains quarters) and in space itself.

While it is interesting trying to fly space debris, I thought the Legion was more than space garbage. :)

yeah but the missile effects turn off all missile effects not just the screen shake, I like the missile effects that don't cause the screen to shake

Cry me a river.

Can't figure out what the lines in space are for, I get they're aesthetically pleasing, but meh. Just more clutter on my screen..

cyclone still isn't very good. 5/2 split on a combat battlecruiser just don't cut it.

Give it 6 missile bays and remove the extra high and move it to a mid. At the moment the only realistic way to tank a cyclone is with an ASB and that doesn't work in pve and the cyclone is the only realistic option for solo pve for minmatar pilots.

Autopilot route

Am I reading this right?

Active armor hardeners and shield hardeners no longer give a passive resistance bonus when not active.
Armor and shield compensation skills no longer give any bonus to active armor or shield hardeners.

So when the hardener turns off, thats it?

Am I reading this right?

Active armor hardeners and shield hardeners no longer give a passive resistance bonus when not active.
Armor and shield compensation skills no longer give any bonus to active armor or shield hardeners.

So when the hardener turns off, thats it?

Am I reading this right?

Active armor hardeners and shield hardeners no longer give a passive resistance bonus when not active.
Armor and shield compensation skills no longer give any bonus to active armor or shield hardeners.

So when the hardener turns off, thats it?

Welcome to a couple weeks ago.

I totally missed this. Is anyone still rabbling? Can I rabble for awhile?

(I just thought I was reading it wrong.)

Agreed, This should have it's own option that is seperate from the rest of the missile effect options.

Autopilot route

Okay so is there a point to taking away one highslot from the drake, it already does crap for damage as is.... why dont we just take all damage away and make it a floating trash can I want my highslot back. lets not even get into the sig radius. I spent all that time working into a drake and for what now the ship is **** I want my isk back or my ship back one or the other.

oh nooo, there's no way to get a symmetrical turret layout on the Ferox :(
the harbinger's lower and upper turrets (models) can't be filled anymore, either

That's not exactly a big deal, though.

The bug stopping tier three BC appearing on the custom overview is unfortunate, but at least it's solvable.

I can use the autopilot thing to identify stars, too. It's not useful but it's a bit of fun I like it

Are you mad ????

You know that CCP hate giving players options. That would result in players being able to adjust settings to what suits them, and not what suits CCP. It will never catch on.

tier3 is not a bug, you just need to click the selection then resave your overview.

oh nooo, there's no way to get a symmetrical turret layout on the Ferox :(
the harbinger's lower and upper turrets (models) can't be filled anymore, either

That's not exactly a big deal, though.

The bug stopping tier three BC appearing on the custom overview is unfortunate, but at least it's solvable.

I can use the autopilot thing to identify stars, too. It's not useful but it's a bit of fun I like it

I get 726 DPS with my HAM Drake, About 500 with my PODLA Drake. But then again you probably don't know what a PODLA Drake is.

The only thing I want is those waypoint lines on the starfield a bit more visible, I love them.

This is a good patch, and everything is fine, and anyone who disagrees is an autistic, pants-shitting child.

EVE Online: Retribution 1.1 has been successfully deployed on February 19, 2013.

EVE Online: Retribution 1.1 introduces new features such as Dueling and Info Panels, Tiericide of Battlecruisers and along with a large number of fixes and little, but helpful improvements. For full details, especially already known issues, please check the patch notes.

This thread is for general feedback. If you encounter any issues please use the Retribution 1.1 issues thread here.

Enjoy EVE Online: Retribution 1.1!

LOL

CCP alt detected

improvements what improvements ???

all i can see is wastes of time and look im a dev nerf bat swining. Another awful patch.

LOL

CCP alt detected

This module uses nano-assemblers to repair damage done to the armor of the ship. The module can optionally use Cap Booster charges to increase repair effectiveness. Deactivating the module while it has no Nanite Repair Paste loaded starts reloading, if there is Nanite Repair Paste available in cargo hold.

Note: Can use Nanite Repair Paste as fuel. Reloading time is 60 seconds. Prototype Inferno Module.

Strategic cruisers (with Covert Reconfiguration subsystem) and blockade runners can now fit the Covert Cynosural Field Generator I.

The Focused Warp Disruption Script for Warp Disruption Field Generators will no longer prevent the Micro Jump Drive from activating.

The rig penalty on all active armor rigs (Auxiliary Nano Pump, Nanobot Accelerator) was changed to increase the powergrid use of local armor reps by 10% instead of reducing ship velocity.

* Active armor hardeners and shield hardeners no longer give a passive resistance bonus when not active.
* Armor and shield compensation skills no longer give any bonus to active armor or shield hardeners.

That's going to hurt my Covert Ops, Blockade Runner, and hauling ships. Big resist holes ripe for gate smartbombs.

So far only one issue showing up for me.

My T3 Legion appears as a floating collection of 6 loosly spaced clumps of debris instead of showing a ship. This happens in the Fitting view, hanger (both hanger and captains quarters) and in space itself.

While it is interesting trying to fly space debris, I thought the Legion was more than space garbage. :)

There is entirely too much wasted space between the info panels and the top of the screen. If there is a way to adjust the positioning, I cannot find it for the life of me.

Dear Sirs

I am writing this message as Caldari member and would like to ask what happened that our race is being prosecuted by Concord. We are waging war with Gallente and need to protect ourselves from Minmatar and you have already taken all the tools needed for protection.

If any word would apply for the man, the right word would be "castration"

Before there were four ships that we could use for self defence and fighting pirates :

- Drake (rocket nerf, drake nerf)
- Tengu (rocket nerf)
- Falcon (ecm nerf)
- Basilisk (cruiser boost)

Now there is nothing left... How you can just rip the Caldari from every asset possible ? Because I can say with full awarness, that Caldari is the worst race for PVP today. How we can fight by rocket weapon with lousy range and long damage delay ?

Thank you, and consider that you need to purge Winmatar and Gallente agents amongs you, otherwise we will rebel.

Lord Thingol

Covert Cynosural Field Generators may now be fitted on any Strategic Cruiser that has the Covert Reconfiguration subsystem fitted, as well as on Blockade Runners.

Crane (caldari blocade runner) has only 1 high slot and this patch is useless for it. Please, add +1 high slot to the crane.

Having to go through all of my overviews manually to add attack battlecruisers is irritating at best.
CCP should have updated these automatically instead of forcing everyone to manually update all of their overviews (which I'm sure for some people means quite a few).

In addition, mousing over a ship bracket in space no longer shows information for that ship until clicked on. Please fix this.

well, i just spent the better part of a year training to make my drake half ass effective, already had poor dps now its even worse, may as well scrap the ship totaly or make it into a hauler

"New skill Armor Honeycombing has been added."

Whatever nobhead that came up whit honeyHONEYcombing needs to be namned and shamed!! What and how were has that to do anything whit the word mass?!?

"New skill Armor Honeycombing has been added."

Whatever nobhead that came up whit honeyHONEYcombing needs to be namned and shamed!! What and how were has that to do anything whit the word mass?!?

There is entirely too much wasted space between the info panels and the top of the screen. If there is a way to adjust the positioning, I cannot find it for the life of me.

There is entirely too much wasted space between the info panels and the top of the screen. If there is a way to adjust the positioning, I cannot find it for the life of me.

well, i just spent the better part of a year training to make my drake half ass effective, already had poor dps now its even worse, may as well scrap the ship totaly or make it into a hauler

An option to dispose of the vomit inducing camera shake would be nice! it doesnt even scale as you zoom out...#

cant fit a missile launcher to Ferrox since upgrade.
Is that part of the re-balancing? or a bug?

Jalen1

Nah man they screwed BC owners, I am caldari myself and i use both drake and ferox, i always preferred ferox for reasons but used drake on occasion. Now i WILL not use drake and ferox is crap. People may argue that it is better or change is good. Well why fix it if it is not broke as the saying goes. So they fixed it because it was not broke.


http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp

Nah man they screwed BC owners, I am caldari myself and i use both drake and ferox, i always preferred ferox for reasons but used drake on occasion. Now i WILL not use drake and ferox is crap. People may argue that it is better or change is good. Well why fix it if it is not broke as the saying goes. So they fixed it because it was not broke.


http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp

I already told you that the drake does more damage now than before. Stop whining.

I already told you that the drake does more damage now than before. Stop whining.

That's not the point. I don't want to be forced to use only a certain type ship to do what i need to at that time. The thing that brought me to this game ( years ago ) was the fact that so many options are available on so many ships that you could outfit to your liking. The whole curtailed and role set mindset that all these mmo's are taking as of late is just bad business for us, good for them. As people would just be able to hurry look up the best outfit and just get that then doing research and outfitting to there need for what they are doing. People are slowly being forced to use only a certain type setup to be-able to compete with other setups or you are left behind if you choose not to use that certain setup. I am not going to get into the argument about how this ship is better or that can be better if you do that, that is the whole point for having options so you can choose for yourself what you think is better, even if others think it's not. Not pre ordained rules.

With all the rebalancing, I am leaving.

Because I can say with full awarness, that Caldari is the worst race for PVP today.

If you actually do the math, you'll see a more level playing field than before. It's really not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be. They took away what you knew, now you need to think of a new way to fit your ship, or just wait for someone to make a new cookie cutter fit.

Pitting several high SP accounts against each other in newly modified battlecruisers has been more fun and actually provides a challenge. Sorry you can't bring your Drake to everything.

Being able to refit and choose what and how you like to set things up is great! I am all for it, but not being forced into a certain setup on a certain ship of not my own choosing. I am sure some will agree with me and some will not, that is the great thing about having options and choices! But they are all slowly getting turned into ( "cookie cutter fit" ) that's all good, but what is the point if you can just look up the best fit put it on and call it good? so you can go out and fight and kill other ships that have the same cookie cutter setup? will that not get boring when you know every fight will be the same> and everyone will have the same fit? do you get what i am saying? it's hard to see and watch choices slowly get ripped away from being a long time player like myself.

I do like the Idea of rebalancing the battle cruisers and i don't have any issues with it except one. The drake, why'd ya have to take away a missile hard point? that'll make missioning and PVP harder. I don't think the change from 5% to 10% missile kinetic damage bonus makes up for the DPS of an extra missile launcher.

All ships are have always been made for specific roles, these rules are simply being made more defined and delineated to help ensure that some ships aren't made obsolete by others.
You still have plenty of options. In fact you have more options than you did before.
You seem to be complaining that one ship can do slightly less than it could before... well that ship WAS broken. Get over it.

But the "defined and delineated to help ensure that some ships aren't made obsolete by others. and the "well that ship WAS broken." type comments just shows that you do not look at everything objectively as you should. I am just worried and trying to voice my opinion about the changes that i see happening to this great game that is a kick starter to a bad game. You must not be ignorant to the facts of countless other MMO's that have gone the same route, I care about the route that EVE goes as it is slowly doing just the same.

OK, I must be going blind. Where is the "Dueling: Auto reject" option in the esc menu?

I'm not running for the CSM. I'm advocating someone else who is.

Besides, the Drake being broken is a pretty objective assessment, seeing as until recently it was so overpowered there was almost no reason to use any other BC (except for maybe the Hurricane).

I agree completely with you.

Yeah i noticed that, i was not paying attention so i edited it. derp... I just liked being able to have the option before with the Ferox in particular, I could run 1-2 all day long with kestrel and 3s no problem with Ferox outfitted right. But i could also refit for pvp if i wanted, I am not saying it was the best but it held it's own. My point is being able to refit like that was great! so many options. Now if i would like to use missiles i am forced to use drake and so on. That does limit my options. I understand about the OP of the drake but that could have also been taken care of by just changing around the bonuses at first including the ferox if they decided it to was unbalanced, not a complete remake. Start small and move up as it were.

Simple math disagrees with you both. Whatever you may think, you now have 9 effective launchers on your drake, as opposed to the 8.75 effective launchers you had yesterday.

There needs to be an option to auto-reject all duels

Audio & Chat tab, right panel, Dueling header

First thing I looked for when I logged in. :P

Being able to refit and choose what and how you like to set things up is great! I am all for it, but not being forced into a certain setup on a certain ship of not my own choosing. I am sure some will agree with me and some will not, that is the great thing about having options and choices! But they are all slowly getting turned into ( "cookie cutter fit" ) that's all good, but what is the point if you can just look up the best fit put it on and call it good? so you can go out and fight and kill other ships that have the same cookie cutter setup? will that not get boring when you know every fight will be the same> and everyone will have the same fit? do you get what i am saying? it's hard to see and watch choices slowly get ripped away from being a long time player like myself.

If you ask me having five unbonused launchers on the Ferox doesn't really count as an "option".

Kewl patch guys.

The routes in space look awesome and really make me feel like I am in a VR universe.

Do you intend on seeding the BPO's for the AAR's anytime soon? Can't find them anywhere, not even in Jita

Agree!!

GÇóThe business tutorial will now award a Venture in all cases, previously some races were still awarded the old mining frigates.

Wtf is the point of that when, despite its being pointed out COUNTLESS times, the tutorial STILL doesn't give the newbie a mining laser of any sort to use in Mission 3?

I get your point, but I really don't want to be harassed with duel invites whenever I go to a market hub.
It's not that I think it's a bad game mechanic, I just don't personally want to use it.

Naga #1
Rokh #3
Caracal #4
Drake #6
Yep, Caldari is definitely worst for PVP.

I get your point, but I really don't want to be harassed with duel invites whenever I go to a market hub.
It's not that I think it's a bad game mechanic, I just don't personally want to use it.

What point?

I just indicated to kyrieee that you had already answered his question.

Exactly. Being now forced into zhit fits is no fun at all. The fun was in the freedom to build and experiment, now its "put piece A into hole A, shove dongle B up orifice B" and so forth.
Dull.

Simple math disagrees with you both. Whatever you may think, you now have 9 effective launchers on your drake, as opposed to the 8.75 effective launchers you had yesterday.

Wonder what weapons Caldari should use ?

*snip*

Projectile : 127,884 kills
Hybrids : 81,747 kills
Energy : 53,393 Kills
Missiles 14,661 kills (+ torpedoes 10,672)


We can clearly see, that rockets really needed nerf...

only way you lose training time is if you failed to put a long skill in the queue which everyone should do knowing CCPs performance with previous patches.

Exactly my freaking point haha, They are simplifying the game because people complain it is to hard. Well if anyone was around playing World of warcraft back when it first started and the 3nd expansion people started complaining about how hard the game was having to do this little thing or compare things or experiment etc. Well 2 expansions later you log on to the game and you don't even have to do anything to get everything in the game anymore. and i quote "just by playing you get everything"..... The people ruined the game because there was always something wrong or to many options it took to long to do this or that etc. Now everyone is starting to leave the game. I know because i own shares in Activision the parent company of Blizzard. They tried to carter to the players to keep and or make there stocks rise and it screwed the players in the end. In no way am i saying EvE is remotely close to WoW in a playing sense but don't forget money and greed corrupts and if left unchecked will screw the bread givers. Just my opinion as I have seen it from the other side as well as the game side.

Looks like some dev played with NPC vs drones settings again.

After previous patch I switched to faction Sentries. The double Shields and Armor HP (up to 2.3k) allowed them to actually have some time in space and I didn't have to reduce my DPS to 80% or even 60% most of the time. With this patch they are dropping like flies. At a price tag of 3-4M each, that is expensive ammo. Maybe I should "adjust" like everybody else and drop drones and missiles and stick with guns (projectiles?)

Yes, there is a point.

With the 10% bonus to Kinetic damage instead of 5%, that's a net buff in DPS.

Also, it costs less to fit (-1 Launcher).

I get 726 DPS with my HAM Drake, About 500 with my PODLA Drake. But then again you probably don't know what a PODLA Drake is.

Okay so is there a point to taking away one highslot from the drake, it already does crap for damage as is.... why dont we just take all damage away and make it a floating trash can I want my highslot back. lets not even get into the sig radius. I spent all that time working into a drake and for what now the ship is **** I want my isk back or my ship back one or the other.

Update itself didnt go that well for me....

Update FAILED
Repair FAILED
Update #2 FAILED
Update #3 with "higher permissions" Failed


Deleted EvE and now re-downloading

not impressed.

Same ****

With all the rebalancing, I am leaving.

I no longer seem to be able to hover over a ship, wreck, or otherwise in space and get the same info I'd get from clicking on it. Is this intentional or a bug?

I think that th Brutix should have had its rep bonus switched for a falloff bonus. i know active tanking was just buffed but that does not help the major downfall of the brutix, that is it 5km range with Void loaded, i know hybrids are supposed to be close range but when you cant even hit at web range there is a problem

I no longer seem to be able to hover over a ship, wreck, or otherwise in space and get the same info I'd get from clicking on it. Is this intentional or a bug?

Everything looks good with the exception of 1 thing.

- "With really good skills, NPC corp standing and a 50% base output NPC station you can now actually get a 100% refinery output."

That kinda irks me, as I just recently spent 150 million on an implant that will allow me to get 100% refining. Yes, 150 million isk is peanuts. But the fact that a previously neccesary item is now mostly obsolete seems quite silly. Why bother getting refining implants at all? The only people who will be worried about their refining rates enough to quibble over a few percentages will be people that have millions of ore to refine, and of those people probably 99.9% of them will be heavy industry skilled anyways.

Coles notes:
- Refining implants = useless.

please don't

Jesus, this thread reads like a techblog being discussed by politicians.

You guys had plenty of warning. Drake Missile Nerf? You must be playing a different game. Caldari useless for PvP? Naga's, Harpies, Rokhs, Drakes, MOA'S(This baby got a life!) Cyclone being made usefull? HOSHI it's a nerf, I r stupid to fit ship.


My only real gripe is that screen shaking. Sure, it's nice, but after some time it gets anoying to look at. And the AAR seems a bit.....useless, but I shall get back to this after actually getting a chance at using it.

Other than that, Pro Patch.

Covert Cynosural Field Generators may now be fitted on any Strategic Cruiser that has the Covert Reconfiguration subsystem fitted, as well as on Blockade Runners.


Well, you had better add a highslot to the Viator, Crane & Prorator. Currently, only the Prowler will be able to fit a cloak & covert cyno.

Adding this is pointless at the moment, thus giving the Minmatar Blockade runners an advantage over all the other races. Much better to have waited.

Awesome piece of work. Nice one

I have lost count of the number of times CCP has either neutered a ship to hell or rendered a skill useless over the years.

The only feedback to which CCP listens is that of your wallet closing on their sticky fingers. Unsubscribe if you want to send CCP a message.

That's where the combat timers go.

Cant update past 21.85MB. Tried on 4 different computers, I had the same problem with the last update, had to re-download the client manually and re-install. Loosing training time here! Last time lost 3 days, only received an apology. I have 15 accounts, if I loose time this time round I will cancel all accounts!

No. of people who care that you're leaving: Very few.

Then let your accounts go dormant.

The most powerful statement that you can make is to not give CCP your hard earned wages (or buy PLEX from some other punter to keep your accounts active). There's a ton of very entertaining games available for either a one-time fee or for free, these days. Check out one of those if you are an avid gamer.

Or go outside and breath fresh air whilst CCP does without your currency.

Biggest issue, I live in Africa, where a ADHL line equates to a 56kb modem. This will take me days to download

Everything looks good with the exception of 1 thing.

- "With really good skills, NPC corp standing and a 50% base output NPC station you can now actually get a 100% refinery output."

That kinda irks me, as I just recently spent 150 million on an implant that will allow me to get 100% refining. Yes, 150 million isk is peanuts. But the fact that a previously neccesary item is now mostly obsolete seems quite silly. Why bother getting refining implants at all? The only people who will be worried about their refining rates enough to quibble over a few percentages will be people that have millions of ore to refine, and of those people probably 99.9% of them will be heavy industry skilled anyways.

Coles notes:
- Refining implants = useless.

I'm thinking i might make another thread unless someone else does to see how many people will be willing to do this till they fix it.


this has happened before do not forget CCP. Remember who and what you are doing this game for! If not i look forward to some hub smashing again and petitions! http://www.polygon.com/features/2013/1/24/3754594/at-war-with-fans-eve-onlines-fall-and-rise-from-infamy

Or maybe fix whatever's wrong with your computer instead of blaming CCP.
Most people patched just fine.

The Log no longer clears after session changes such as jumping/docking etc.

Screen shakes? are you #$@#$%$# serious ?

What is, and just one of you reply please, an AAR?

Personally, I think what was done to Battle Cruisers is shameful. The Battle from the name was ripped off ...only cruiser is left now.
Simply makes no sense. Battle Cruisers gained mass but lost a lot of EHP and turrets. Makes no sense at all. It seems now that with every Patch more and more ships and modules are nerfed. I personally no longer look forward to new updates because the first thing that comes to my mind is what will be nerfed instead of what new and wonderful items and improvements will be introduced. Update by update, my enjoyment of the game is lessening... I no longer am sure if I will sign up for another year.
The Summer Rebalancing of Ships fills me with dread...

Well the update worked.
My Drake has less EHP and less Shield EHP/S.
It also takes longer (less damage/more ammo) to take down Serpentis BS Rat.

I don't like the think the screen shaking either.

What is, and just one of you reply please, an AAR?

Can I have all of your stuff / isk for 1 trit?

Why did you remove a missile Launcher spot from my Drake?