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Grendell
Technologies Unlimited Superior Eve Engineering
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Posted - 2013.04.11 16:51:00 -
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Deerin wrote:Grendell wrote:For CCP Rise CCP Rise wrote:This design should also fit the 'flavor' that the Megathron has spent a decade building much more accurately. If you want to bring back the Megathron back to what it became famous for, you need to remember what dethroned it in the first place. Over the years there were many indirect nerfs that hit the Megathron such as: Speed nerfs, web nerfs, boosts in other races, etc. all changes that left the mega in worse and worse shape over time. While all these changes were being brought into the game, the Mega was never compensated for all the negative impacts that would affect it's performance. Ideally these compensation would have taken place while all the nerfs took place, but we know that did not happen. So now lucky you, has to deal the mess that you didn't even create. Good luck, keep your chin up.  My version of what I'd like to see. Megathron:Gallente Battleship Skill Bonuses: +5% Large Hybrid Turret rate of fire (replaces large hybrid turret damage) +7.5% Large Hybrid Turret tracking speed +10% Stasis Webifier effectiveness per level (Would bring back the old 90% effect at max level. Allowing blasters to actually hit their targets properly) Slot layout: 7H(-1), 5M(+1), 7L; 7 turrets , 0 launchers(-2) Fittings: 15500 PWG, 590 CPU(+40) Defense (shields / armor / hull): 6250(+39) / 6750(+109) / 7350(-150) Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 5800(+175) / 1087s / 5.02 (+.15) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 135(+20) / .117(-.0046) / 98400000 / 15.96s (-.63s) Drones (bandwidth / bay): 100(-25) / 125 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 72.5km / 95 / 7 Sensor strength: 21 Magnetometric Sensor Strength Signature radius: 380(-20) This version provides the needed speed boost to actually get on target and apply the DPS. The added armor HP boost gives it a buffer to stay alive while it gets there, as well as making it a more viable choice for larger fleet doctrines. The one thing I'm not certain on is the high and mid slot swap. Given the new ROF bonus it will be draining cap quite fast making a cap injector mandatory. Thus making an extra mid essential for any chance of cap stability, but the 5 mid slots opens the door for some odd shield setups. That would be a vindicator. Edit a point range bonus instead of tracking on the other hand..... Only thing in common with the Vindicator is the Web bonus. Apart from that Vindicator has 8/5/7 slots layout, better, PG, CPU, armour, shield, structure, capacitor, drone bandwidth, etc. To put it simply, the Vindicator is better in just about every way.
Sharing a single bonus does not make it the same ship. It's like saying the Machariel and the Tempest are the same because they share "5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret damage per level" So I'd have to disagree saying that the Megathron would be a vindicator.
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
3058
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Posted - 2013.04.11 16:53:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote: Almost seems like the Dominix could use some extra done bay so it it loses some drones it wont be crippled, and some control range so it can use railguns in the high slots rather than a bunch of DLAs.
It is as though fleets only reposition 2-3 times a battle, and sit still at each one! TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
852
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Posted - 2013.04.11 16:59:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote: Almost seems like the Dominix could use some extra done bay so it it loses some drones it wont be crippled, and some control range so it can use railguns in the high slots rather than a bunch of DLAs.
It is as though fleets only reposition 2-3 times a battle, and sit still at each one! @Grendell, T1 battleships don't get 3 bonuses. It is possible to strategically reposition your self to be close to your drones at the end of the fight, even just to make a BM where you drop them so you can on-grid warp back to them. Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7434
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:08:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:It is possible to strategically reposition your self to be close to your drones at the end of the fight, even just to make a BM where you drop them so you can on-grid warp back to them.
If only you could control sentries at >150km! mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
907
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:09:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote: @Grendell, T1 battleships don't get 3 bonuses.
see the scorp... Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

Kn1v3s 999
LA MEGADITTA Test Alliance Please Ignore
31
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:09:00 -
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Grendell wrote:For CCP Rise CCP Rise wrote:This design should also fit the 'flavor' that the Megathron has spent a decade building much more accurately. If you want to bring back the Megathron back to what it became famous for, you need to remember what dethroned it in the first place. Over the years there were many indirect nerfs that hit the Megathron such as: Speed nerfs, web nerfs, boosts in other races, etc. all changes that left the mega in worse and worse shape over time. While all these changes were being brought into the game, the Mega was never compensated for all the negative impacts that would affect it's performance. Ideally these compensation would have taken place while all the nerfs took place, but we know that did not happen. So now lucky you, has to deal the mess that you didn't even create. Good luck, keep your chin up.  My version of what I'd like to see. Megathron:Gallente Battleship Skill Bonuses: +5% Large Hybrid Turret rate of fire (replaces large hybrid turret damage) +7.5% Large Hybrid Turret tracking speed +10% Stasis Webifier effectiveness per level (Would bring back the old 90% effect at max level. Allowing blasters to actually hit their targets properly) Slot layout: 7H(-1), 5M(+1), 7L; 7 turrets , 0 launchers(-2) Fittings: 15500 PWG, 590 CPU(+40) Defense (shields / armor / hull): 6250(+39) / 6750(+109) / 7350(-150) Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 5800(+175) / 1087s / 5.02 (+.15) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 135(+20) / .117(-.0046) / 98400000 / 15.96s (-.63s) Drones (bandwidth / bay): 100(-25) / 125 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 72.5km / 95 / 7 Sensor strength: 21 Magnetometric Sensor Strength Signature radius: 380(-20) This version provides the needed speed boost to actually get on target and apply the DPS. The added armor HP boost gives it a buffer to stay alive while it gets there, as well as making it a more viable choice for larger fleet doctrines. The one thing I'm not certain on is the high and mid slot swap. Given the new ROF bonus it will be draining cap quite fast making a cap injector mandatory. Thus making an extra mid essential for any chance of cap stability, but the 5 mid slots opens the door for some odd shield setups.
that s a Vindi dude
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Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
852
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:11:00 -
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Andski wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:It is possible to strategically reposition your self to be close to your drones at the end of the fight, even just to make a BM where you drop them so you can on-grid warp back to them. If only you could control sentries at >150km! If only the ship got a bonus to extend its control range. Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7434
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:13:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:If only the ship got a bonus to extend its control range.
If only that wasn't a stupid idea mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
852
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:20:00 -
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Andski wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:If only the ship got a bonus to extend its control range. If only that wasn't a stupid idea Well forgive me for thinking out side the box and make the most of what the ship has to offer. Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |

Ager Agemo
Imperial Collective
263
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:22:00 -
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OMG THAT hyperion! ITS SO ******* SEXY! *-*! i hate gallente ships but that thing i want!
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7434
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:27:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Andski wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:If only the ship got a bonus to extend its control range. If only that wasn't a stupid idea Well forgive me for thinking out side the box and make the most of what the ship has to offer.
okay you're literally asking for a bonus that doesn't exist on any other ship save for carriers, where it only applies to fighters
hope this helps! mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Ager Agemo
Imperial Collective
263
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:27:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Andski wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:It is possible to strategically reposition your self to be close to your drones at the end of the fight, even just to make a BM where you drop them so you can on-grid warp back to them. If only you could control sentries at >150km! If only the ship got a bonus to extend its control range.
Drone control modules? you got high unbonnused slots, just focus very strongly on your drones and tank, and you can use the highs for control, maxing stats by adding turrets or such is a waste. |

Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
852
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:28:00 -
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Andski wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Andski wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:If only the ship got a bonus to extend its control range. If only that wasn't a stupid idea Well forgive me for thinking out side the box and make the most of what the ship has to offer. okay you're literally asking for a bonus that doesn't exist on any other ship save for carriers, where it only applies to fighters hope this helps! What? what does a DLA do? it extends the drone control range of the ship by 20k to a t1 and 24k for a t2, a ship bonus to replicate that exact same thing would be extremely beneficial to the new Dominix. Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |

Grendell
Technologies Unlimited Superior Eve Engineering
675
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:30:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote: @Grendell, T1 battleships don't get 3 bonuses.
No reason they can't for the sake of balance. Also Scorpion does get 3 bonuses. because of significant changes made to how EW worked, they compensated the Scorp with new bonuses. Something that was not done for the Mgathron when the speed and web nerfs took place.
Kn1v3s 999 wrote: that s a Vindi dude
Only thing in common with the Vindicator is the Web bonus. Apart from that Vindicator has 8/5/7 slots layout, better, PG, CPU, armour, shield, structure, capacitor, drone bandwidth, etc. To put it simply, the Vindicator is better in just about every way.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7434
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:34:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:What? what does a DLA do? it extends the drone control range of the ship by 20k to a t1 and 24k for a t2, a ship bonus to replicate that exact same thing would be extremely beneficial to the new Dominix.
Andski wrote:okay you're literally asking for a bonus that doesn't exist on any other ship save for carriers, where it only applies to fighters
hope this helps!
bonus mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:41:00 -
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Andski wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:What? what does a DLA do? it extends the drone control range of the ship by 20k to a t1 and 24k for a t2, a ship bonus to replicate that exact same thing would be extremely beneficial to the new Dominix. Andski wrote:okay you're literally asking for a bonus that doesn't exist on any other ship save for carriers, where it only applies to fighters
hope this helps! bonusYou're asking for hull bonus that no other ship has, and it'd be utterly imbalanced with other drone ships. That is dumb. Fit DLAs and make the fitting sacrifices everyone else has to make because, well, you're not a special snowflake. Hope this helps! Ishtar Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: +5km bonus to Scout and Heavy Drone Operational range and +50m3 extra drone bay per level. Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |

Maximus Andendare
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
122
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:49:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Andski wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:What? what does a DLA do? it extends the drone control range of the ship by 20k to a t1 and 24k for a t2, a ship bonus to replicate that exact same thing would be extremely beneficial to the new Dominix. Andski wrote:okay you're literally asking for a bonus that doesn't exist on any other ship save for carriers, where it only applies to fighters
hope this helps! bonusYou're asking for hull bonus that no other ship has, and it'd be utterly imbalanced with other drone ships. That is dumb. Fit DLAs and make the fitting sacrifices everyone else has to make because, well, you're not a special snowflake. Hope this helps! Ishtar Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: +5km bonus to Scout and Heavy Drone Operational range and +50m3 extra drone bay per level. Silly, Omnathious Deninard, Goons don't fly that!
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Phoenix Torp
Almost Absolute
5
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:53:00 -
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I have not tested it on SiSi, but for the love of god... -íLEAVE THAT 8 LOWS IN THE MEGA! The 4 MID's are OK (AB / Scrambler / 2 free for whatever to give versatility). That lows give the versatility it needs for a blaster boat, either tank (armor) or damage projection depending of the situation. http://eveboard.com/pilot/Phoenix_Torp |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7434
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:53:00 -
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Maximus Andendare wrote:Silly, Omnathious Deninard, Goons don't fly that!
We do, but props on finding one ship in the entire game that has such a bonus
It's also a HAC, not a T1 ship mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
3058
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:55:00 -
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Why would you put an AB on a battleship, let alone a short range battleship? TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
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Komen
Capital Enrichment Services Existential Anxiety
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:56:00 -
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I am gobsmacked at the megathron changes. 'Often unused utility hi-slot' MY ASS. I have at least three uses for that slot, it never goes empty. Learn to fit your ******* ship.
Empty utility slot. 
And then you're going from a damage bonus to a ROF bonus...and a tracking bonus...
I actually lost braincells, is how stupid that idea is. The megathron does not have trouble hitting targets, and a tracking bonus on large guns is almost useless. The ship isn't broken as it sits right now, but you've just about figured how to introduce that problem.
And you're supposed to be some genius ship balancer with a good knowledge of vessels.
Fired. NEXT. |

Phoenix Torp
Almost Absolute
5
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:02:00 -
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Komen wrote:I am gobsmacked at the megathron changes. 'Often unused utility hi-slot' MY ASS. I have at least three uses for that slot, it never goes empty. Learn to fit your ******* ship. Empty utility slot.  And then you're going from a damage bonus to a ROF bonus...and a tracking bonus... I actually lost braincells, is how stupid that idea is. The megathron does not have trouble hitting targets, and a tracking bonus on large guns is almost useless. The ship isn't broken as it sits right now, but you've just about figured how to introduce that problem. And you're supposed to be some genius ship balancer with a good knowledge of vessels. Fired. NEXT.
Traduction: change the tracking bonus for a falloff (OR EVEN OPTIMAL) bonus. A BS should not be designed to hit cruisers. It shouldn't... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Phoenix_Torp |

Maximus Andendare
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:04:00 -
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Andski wrote:Maximus Andendare wrote:Silly, Omnathious Deninard, Goons don't fly that!
We do, but props on finding one ship in the entire game that has such a bonus It's also a HAC, not a T1 ship Well, I feel compelled to point out that it's not the *one* ship in the entire game, because as you proffered, carriers share that bonus, as well, and are, for all intents and purposes, T1 hulls, too. (But you know I still love you, Andski :)
Now, we'd really need to look at the design intent of the ships that possess them, and in each case (the Ishtar and various carriers) they have the +control range bonus because they are designed as long range platforms. Applying this logic to the Dominix in question, Rise has said that his design intent is for it to operate as a long range sniping platform, supporting that contention with +optimal and tracking to drones (presumably sentries).
It would seem, then, that asking for a bonus (either per level or role) that furthers this design intention would make sense. Whether it should be offered when there are modules that already perform that function, is another question. However, there is precedent for ships to receive bonuses that were already offered through modules--applying to drones--such as the Algos' bonus to drone MWD speed, which, as we all know, is provided via drone navigation computers.
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction Whores in space
116
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:04:00 -
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Phoenix Torp wrote:Komen wrote:I am gobsmacked at the megathron changes. 'Often unused utility hi-slot' MY ASS. I have at least three uses for that slot, it never goes empty. Learn to fit your ******* ship. Empty utility slot.  And then you're going from a damage bonus to a ROF bonus...and a tracking bonus... I actually lost braincells, is how stupid that idea is. The megathron does not have trouble hitting targets, and a tracking bonus on large guns is almost useless. The ship isn't broken as it sits right now, but you've just about figured how to introduce that problem. And you're supposed to be some genius ship balancer with a good knowledge of vessels. Fired. NEXT. Traduction: change the tracking bonus for a falloff bonus. A BS should not be designed to hit cruisers. It shouldn't...
The WHO is supposed to kil cruisers? its exaclty the opposite. BS > Cruiser > frigates > BS. That is the rock paper scissor the game was designed originally . |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7434
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:05:00 -
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Maximus Andendare wrote:It's also a HAC, not a T1 ship Well, I feel compelled to point out that it's not the *one* ship in the entire game, because as you proffered, carriers share that bonus, as well, and are, for all intents and purposes, T1 hulls, too. (But you know I still love you, Andski :) [/quote]
Andski wrote:a bonus that doesn't exist on any other ship save for carriers, where it only applies to fighters
be wrong more mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
3058
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:06:00 -
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Komen wrote:I am gobsmacked at the megathron changes. 'Often unused utility hi-slot' MY ASS. I have at least three uses for that slot, it never goes empty. Learn to fit your ******* ship. Empty utility slot.  And then you're going from a damage bonus to a ROF bonus...and a tracking bonus... I actually lost braincells, is how stupid that idea is. The megathron does not have trouble hitting targets, and a tracking bonus on large guns is almost useless. The ship isn't broken as it sits right now, but you've just about figured how to introduce that problem. And you're supposed to be some genius ship balancer with a good knowledge of vessels. Fired. NEXT.
Lemme guess. Neut (only matters for brawler fits), Remote Rep (waste of a slot), and cyno.
That slot is empty in the vast majority of Megas I have seen. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
3058
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:07:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Phoenix Torp wrote:Komen wrote:I am gobsmacked at the megathron changes. 'Often unused utility hi-slot' MY ASS. I have at least three uses for that slot, it never goes empty. Learn to fit your ******* ship. Empty utility slot.  And then you're going from a damage bonus to a ROF bonus...and a tracking bonus... I actually lost braincells, is how stupid that idea is. The megathron does not have trouble hitting targets, and a tracking bonus on large guns is almost useless. The ship isn't broken as it sits right now, but you've just about figured how to introduce that problem. And you're supposed to be some genius ship balancer with a good knowledge of vessels. Fired. NEXT. Traduction: change the tracking bonus for a falloff bonus. A BS should not be designed to hit cruisers. It shouldn't... The WHO is supposed to kil cruisers? its exaclty the opposite. BS > Cruiser > frigates > BS. That is the rock paper scissor the game was designed originally .
BS > BC > Cruiser > Destroyer > Frigate
Everything on this counters the ship 2 to its left if flown well, and everything else to its left if flown by a monkey. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Phoenix Torp
Almost Absolute
5
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:08:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Phoenix Torp wrote:Komen wrote:I am gobsmacked at the megathron changes. 'Often unused utility hi-slot' MY ASS. I have at least three uses for that slot, it never goes empty. Learn to fit your ******* ship. Empty utility slot.  And then you're going from a damage bonus to a ROF bonus...and a tracking bonus... I actually lost braincells, is how stupid that idea is. The megathron does not have trouble hitting targets, and a tracking bonus on large guns is almost useless. The ship isn't broken as it sits right now, but you've just about figured how to introduce that problem. And you're supposed to be some genius ship balancer with a good knowledge of vessels. Fired. NEXT. Traduction: change the tracking bonus for a falloff bonus. A BS should not be designed to hit cruisers. It shouldn't... The WHO is supposed to kil cruisers? its exaclty the opposite. BS > Cruiser > frigates > BS. That is the rock paper scissor the game was designed originally .
With the buffed speed of the Mega (only the Typhoon have more speed), that tracking bonus is made for hitting smaller-size vessels. You don't need a tracking bonus in a faster ship, by the way that orbiting the enemy ship works. http://eveboard.com/pilot/Phoenix_Torp |

Askulf Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:09:00 -
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Grendell wrote:Only thing in common with the Vindicator is the Web bonus. Apart from that Vindicator has 8/5/7 slots layout, better, PG, CPU, armour, shield, structure, capacitor, drone bandwidth, etc. To put it simply, the Vindicator is better in just about every way. Sharing a single bonus does not make it the same ship. It's like saying the Machariel and the Tempest are the same because they share "5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret damage per level" So I'd have to disagree saying that the Megathron would be a vindicator. 
Dude, you're bad. If you can't see the similarities between your hilariously overpowered mega suggestion then please just ******* biomass.
What you did is create a slightly worse vindi, and then you rant about how it's not at all similar to the vindi, then rant about "sharing one bonus" yet your stupid suggestion and the vindi share 2 bonuses. Like wtf, you're bad, and you should feel bad. Get out of this thread.
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Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
852
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:09:00 -
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Andski wrote:Maximus Andendare wrote:Silly, Omnathious Deninard, Goons don't fly that!
We do, but props on finding one ship in the entire game that has such a bonus It's also a HAC, not a T1 ship, and the bonuses don't apply to sentries what's it like being wrong twice Let's look at the Talwar for a moment, it gets a 15% reduction of the signature radius penalty of microwarpdrives per level, which at the time was exclusively a T2 ship bonus. It was deemed useful to use on that ship and was given to it. In the case of the Exequror it was given a 100% increase to the repair amount of logistic drones, a bonus that again was only for t2 ships but was deemed useful for it but was given as a role bonus instead of a leveled bonus. Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |
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