In short I'm not entirely convinced on either because there is no 8 weapon slot BS now you could adjust the mega to be the new 8 weapon slot boat but IMO this slot would have to be a low giving it a layout of:


Slot layout: 8H, 4M, 7L; 8 turrets (+1) , 0 launchers(-2)

And adjust drone stats to:

Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-75) / 50(-75)

These changes I would feel make it to quote yourself



even with a Gallente Battleship Skill Bonuses: of 7.5% to Large Hybrid Turret rate of fire and Large Hybrid Turret tracking speed adjusting capacitor recharge and ships powergrid to compensate for the extra turret and ROF bonus.

and as for the Hyperion:


Slot layout: 7H(-1), 5M, 7L(+1); 6 turrets , 1 launchers

Are you realy going to give the hyperion the launcher after orignialy wanting to remove the launcher points from the mega when it has gratley been admitted in the thread that 7 turrets and a neut or nos was used with the mega, I'm not saying take the 7th slot away just the launcher hardpoint.



NO just because you think It is does not make it so some people think pluging that explosive hole is important.

On the launcher thing. They do have uses, and giving the Hyperion alternative options is fine. Not everybody takes battleships out solely to blob 300 by 300 people at a time.

seems like the navy brutix will kill off the new mega before it has started :(

Rise,

Not sure if you are still be looking for feedback, but after fiddling around with potential setups I think we're almost there:

On the Megathron, I would suggest to follow the Kronos approach to drone bay - 75/125, so that it sticks with the 'stronger gunboat' theme, but as a Gallente boat retains it's drone flexibilty and logically scales up from T1 to T2.

I think the Hyperion is there, the Dominix; we'll see.

Actually, with 7 / 4 / 8, the new mega has better DPS at mid ranges than any fleet ship but an Abaddon, competitive mid-long range DPS only eclipsed by the Rokh, and everything necessary to tank like the best of them except a little more CPU. Without that CPU, it can have a tank equal to a Rokh's EHP with an inferior resist profile, or a perfectly balanced resist profile with about 7k EHP less than a Maelstrom.

Give the ship 600 base CPU and it will be an excellent fleet ship. The slot layout is the entire reason it can - with the wasted utility high (yes, wasted), it can't compete.

The thing about utility highs is they only apply to certain kinds of PvP. None of the items you could fit there matter outside about 25km range, except for a cyno, which is not something game breaking. The only fits that use that highslot are the ones fitting neuts for brawling (RRs are a waste in today's game). The thing about brawling megas is they benefit quite a bit from 8 lows - absurd gank or very solid tank become options, whereas before a mega couldn't fit a solid tank, only a decent one, without gimping its DPS. And honestly, megas tend to deplete their target's tank before they deplete its cap.

7 / 5 / 7 makes it a lot harder to justify a mega in a fleet - even if it got its 600 CPU, you're giving up a magstab for a tracking comp. This means it stops competing with the Mael and Abaddon in midrange (DPS plummets) and is just an inferior armor Rokh.

8 / 4 / 7 changes nothing from the current game, and keeps the ship completely unable to compete at all.

This is a good slot layout. The Hyperion gained a utility high to boot - there is still a ship that can blaster brawl with 7 lows, 5 mids and a heavy neut. Except now it has an even bigger tank. Because they chose to put the Hyperion in this role, it becomes a ship that might just be fleet viable as well - because of that massive base armor HP, it doesn't need to stack 2 plates to get to the 120-130k EHP range.

In short, there is still a heavy neuting blaster brawler, and Gallente just gained 2 potential fleet doctrine candidates. This is a win win, don't even try to complain dude.

No you're right even in the realms of PVE it would be more beneficial to fit something else than a launcher like:

A nos for incoming cap to help manage your local tank that you have a bonus to
A salvager to salvage ( this can also be done by drones now )
A tractor beam
A auto targeter module
a smartbomb
a neut

You also save space for all them lovley cap boost charges you are eating due to dual or even triple reps.

While on the supject of cap injection please adjust the cargo bay slightly on the Hyperion anything more than it is now.

You mean a Deimos, a blaster ship that actually has a falloff bonus?

Falloff bonuses are great for blaster boats and I agree that the Mega should have one instead of the tracking bonus.

I totally understand the initiative here, to give current battleships distinctive roles.

However, please dont touch dominix... or tweak the changes a bit.

the turret nerf will make its already-horrible-dps even worse....

I totally understand the initiative here, to give current battleships distinctive roles.

However, please dont touch dominix... or tweak the changes a bit.

the turret nerf will make its already-horrible-dps even worse....

I'm inclined to agree here. I think the Mega's bonus should be +5% ROF and +5% Falloff per level, and the slot layout should be adjusted to 7/5/7--it still gives you the ROF bonus, and the falloff bonus allows you to apply damage in a larger engagement envelope (something blasters definitely need), all while not competing with the Talos' tracking bonus. What's more, the 7/5/7 slot layout is more flexible, allowing a TC in that fifth mid if you wanted to track harder, and much more flexibility if you wanted to go with a shield-tanking/high agility fit.

+1 for fall off bonus, especially give what the TE nerf will do to blasters.

Just ran the number on the new Hyperion... With Damnation and Exile boosters you are looking at 1079 DPS and a 2673 DPS tank, unheated without capacitor issues.

Seems a high to me even faction fit...

Obviously not everyone would fit it this way but its a monster... It makes my PVP Navy Scorp fit with similar mods look like a toy.

[Hyperion, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Core C-Type Large Armor Repairer
Core C-Type Large Armor Repairer
Centus C-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
Centus C-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
Centus C-Type Armor Thermic Hardener
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer

Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
True Sansha Stasis Webifier
Ammatar Navy Heavy Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
Ammatar Navy Heavy Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
Core C-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Ammatar Navy Heavy Energy Neutralizer

Large Ancillary Current Router II
Large Nanobot Accelerator II
Large Anti-EM Pump II

Berserker II x4
Warrior II x1
Warrior II x4

With the standard Domi and sentry drones I get 800 dps (drone damage mods of course), not including guns. How much dps do yo consider good?

What is this supposed to be? Good god

There is so much... situational stuff you're prior to looking at the fit, just black out. Ships are more than just numbers, and going with static opinions to fits only leads to the armortalos. Just fly more, use less eft.

What is this supposed to be? Good god

This design should also fit the 'flavor' that the Megathron has spent a decade building much more accurately.

For CCP Rise


If you want to bring back the Megathron back to what it became famous for, you need to remember what dethroned it in the first place. Over the years there were many indirect nerfs that hit the Megathron such as: Speed nerfs, web nerfs, boosts in other races, etc. all changes that left the mega in worse and worse shape over time. While all these changes were being brought into the game, the Mega was never compensated for all the negative impacts that would affect it's performance. Ideally these compensation would have taken place while all the nerfs took place, but we know that did not happen. So now lucky you, has to deal the mess that you didn't even create. Good luck, keep your chin up.

My version of what I'd like to see.

Megathron:
Gallente Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+5% Large Hybrid Turret rate of fire (replaces large hybrid turret damage)
+7.5% Large Hybrid Turret tracking speed
+10% Stasis Webifier effectiveness per level (Would bring back the old 90% effect at max level. Allowing blasters to actually hit their targets properly)

Slot layout: 7H(-1), 5M(+1), 7L; 7 turrets , 0 launchers(-2)
Fittings: 15500 PWG, 590 CPU(+40)
Defense (shields / armor / hull): 6250(+39) / 6750(+109) / 7350(-150)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 5800(+175) / 1087s / 5.02 (+.15)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 135(+20) / .117(-.0046) / 98400000 / 15.96s (-.63s)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 100(-25) / 125
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 72.5km / 95 / 7
Sensor strength: 21 Magnetometric Sensor Strength
Signature radius: 380(-20)

This version provides the needed speed boost to actually get on target and apply the DPS. The added armor HP boost gives it a buffer to stay alive while it gets there, as well as making it a more viable choice for larger fleet doctrines.

The one thing I'm not certain on is the high and mid slot swap. Given the new ROF bonus it will be draining cap quite fast making a cap injector mandatory. Thus making an extra mid essential for any chance of cap stability, but the 5 mid slots opens the door for some odd shield setups.

Fleet Sentry Domi

650 DPS at 80KM with Garde II's and 586 DPS at 130KM with Bouncer II's.

That will likely be used in fleets on a regular basis if it stays as it currently is.

Gallente ships at the moment are looking like they are going to be much more useful in fleets. It is about time they got some love really...

[Dominix, Sentry]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Experimental 100MN Afterburner I

Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Heavy Energy Neutralizer II ?
Heavy Energy Neutralizer II ?
Large YF-12a Smartbomb ?

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I

Garde II x5
Bouncer II x5

Fleets move, you know. Constantly.

Sentry ships that aren't carriers are losing their DPS every time they do an on-grid warp. Not viable to be completely frank. No one fights standing still.