working on final touches

Hey guys, sorry for the time between posts. I've been reading plenty and working on final touches as the feedback from sisi starts to trickle in.

A couple small things I can say for sure - the Typhoon between 100/125 is intentional, I'm not sure why it was written up differently in the thread, but I've fixed it now, sorry for that. When the Tempest got re-billed as 'attack' we really only went part way with it, and I think we need to finish the job by speeding it up a bit more to make it really stand out in that role. I'm not sure exactly which numbers will be changing, but I'll let you know soon.

I also want to say that I'm listening to what you guys have to say about the Typhoon, but I really believe this new version is still going to offer more versatility than your average battleship, while also becoming 'better' in most variations, as well as providing a clear progression for Minmatar players who have focused on missiles. I'm hearing from sisi that people are enjoying it a lot, and it was even popular in the SCL yesterday, which is a good sign I think.

Hey guys, sorry for the time between posts. I've been reading plenty and working on final touches as the feedback from sisi starts to trickle in.

A couple small things I can say for sure - the Typhoon being 100/125 is intentional, I'm not sure why it was written up differently in the thread, but I've fixed it now, sorry for that. When the Tempest got re-billed as 'attack' we really only went part way with it, and I think we need to finish the job by speeding it up a bit more to make it really stand out in that role. I'm not sure exactly which numbers will be changing, but I'll let you know soon.

I also want to say that I'm listening to what you guys have to say about the Typhoon, but I really believe this new version is still going to offer more versatility than your average battleship, while also becoming 'better' in most variations, as well as providing a clear progression for Minmatar players who have focused on missiles. I'm hearing from sisi that people are enjoying it a lot, and it was even popular in the SCL yesterday, which is a good sign I think.

New typhoon is awesome

It does need a little more power grid.

Consider bringing up PG up another 500 and it will be perfect..

Don't forget CPU.

Also Rise, what's the deal with fittings? Old Tier 3 BS's fit with no issues, the Attackships and Geddon, massive CPU issues, if they all have tier 3 price tags, why the disparity?

Hey guys, sorry for the time between posts. I've been reading plenty and working on final touches as the feedback from sisi starts to trickle in.

A couple small things I can say for sure - the Typhoon being 100/125 is intentional, I'm not sure why it was written up differently in the thread, but I've fixed it now, sorry for that. When the Tempest got re-billed as 'attack' we really only went part way with it, and I think we need to finish the job by speeding it up a bit more to make it really stand out in that role. I'm not sure exactly which numbers will be changing, but I'll let you know soon.

I also want to say that I'm listening to what you guys have to say about the Typhoon, but I really believe this new version is still going to offer more versatility than your average battleship, while also becoming 'better' in most variations, as well as providing a clear progression for Minmatar players who have focused on missiles. I'm hearing from sisi that people are enjoying it a lot, and it was even popular in the SCL yesterday, which is a good sign I think.

Hey guys, sorry for the time between posts. I've been reading plenty and working on final touches as the feedback from sisi starts to trickle in.

A couple small things I can say for sure - the Typhoon being 100/125 is intentional, I'm not sure why it was written up differently in the thread, but I've fixed it now, sorry for that. When the Tempest got re-billed as 'attack' we really only went part way with it, and I think we need to finish the job by speeding it up a bit more to make it really stand out in that role. I'm not sure exactly which numbers will be changing, but I'll let you know soon.

I also want to say that I'm listening to what you guys have to say about the Typhoon, but I really believe this new version is still going to offer more versatility than your average battleship, while also becoming 'better' in most variations, as well as providing a clear progression for Minmatar players who have focused on missiles. I'm hearing from sisi that people are enjoying it a lot, and it was even popular in the SCL yesterday, which is a good sign I think.

A better question would be, why does an armour artillery platform need 2 empty high slots that wouldn't be much use to it at the general ranges it operates in? A mid or a low would be far more useful, and even then, it would need a substancial power grid boost to not feel like some tier 0.5 garbage abortion of a ship that it currently is.

The 2 empty high slots used to be powerful when NOS was useful Now .. well neutralziers you do not need more than 1 95% of time. And on the other 5% the armageddon will be superior...

Hey Rise,

I think the main problem with the tempest is that with the current stats, it isn't focused to anything. It is the worse brawler compared to the mega/hype, it's use as a nano med range BS takes kind of a hit if you make the other BS also a lot faster while reducing the damage at range with the TE nerf and in general it lacks something that it can do better than other BS to be a useful option compared to them.

If you look at it a bit, it basically comes down to two major options, armor artillery platform for fleet fights or nano med range BS. While you might not make everybody happy with gearing the tempest more towards one of the roles, it will be something necessary to bring it up to the same level as the other BS.

As a armor artillery platform something like this would be nice:

Tempest(armor tanked fleet BS)
Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret rate of fire
+7,5% bonus to Large Projectile damage

Slot layout: 7H(-1), 5M, 7L(+1); 6 turrets , 2 launchers
Fittings: 17700 PWG(+2200), 550 CPU
Defence (shields / armor / hull) : 6500 / 7000 / 6500
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second) : 5800(+487.5) / 1154s / 4.68
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 120 / .12 / 101000000(-2300000) / 16.81s(-.37s)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-25) / 50(-25)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 72.5km(+10) / 100 / 7
Sensor strength: 21 Ladar Sensor Strength(+2)
Signature radius: 340

With the higher damage bonus, it can archive a useful level of alpha with a armor tank, similar to the maelstrom with 1 or 2 gyros less and it got enough grid for the job. While the maelstrom will still have better EHP\dps\alpha in the end, the Tempest got the lower sig, extra utility and can be reasonable armor tanked without reducing the alpha and dps to much(quite like gallente ships). The extra damage would also help for solo and small gang pvp, making it a more desirable option compared to the higher speed of the phoon, the higher tank of the maelstrom or the BS from the other races.

Patterns design with the falloff bonus and the extra med would also be very nice as dedicated autocannon platform. You could even split the roles with the T1 and faction BS bonuses, similar to what you did with some other BS. The stuff you did write about the fleet pest made me think you wanted to make the navy pest a very good armor fleet platform.

I believe this would be too good and upset the balance. You have improved:

Damage Bonus to %7.5
PG +2200
+1 L -1H

If you were to pick two of these, which ones would you pick.

Not that you can fit 1400mm's +ANYTHING in those high slots.

I'm perfectly fine with making the Tempest faster than the 'Phoon. Of course, I want a battleship-sized Stabber, so... -shrugs-

Haven't you heard of the Fleet Hurricane? Failing that I hear sleipnirs are pretty good at being "battleship-sized Stabber" - seriously, we don't need more overlap in that direction.

I believe this would be too good and upset the balance. You have improved:

Damage Bonus to %7.5
PG +2200
+1 L -1H

If you were to pick two of these, which ones would you pick.

Well you know the real offender is the tornado not the sleipnir that is a VERY high skil ship qith evry shihg cost.



But at least a stabberpest is better than the current NTOHIGNpest.

There are several ways you can make the tempest more competitive.

The change of layouts its the most agressive one, with better resutls but highr stress cost for CCP rise :P Lets supppose for a minute that slot layout ore off the table, because god knows what reason forces that.....

There are othyer options, more subtle like the change of the DAMAGE bonus ti 7.5%. Yes, that is not overpowered on a ship taht dedicated 2 of its bonuses to damage. After all its fair for hyperion to have 10% damage on a single bonus and more droens AND a repair bonus AND better slots.

A 7.5% damage bonus woudl compensate HALF a low slot. That would bring the tempest CLOSE to maelstrom in effective damage (remember,. drones and shield tanker), of course while keepign a MUCH inferior tank. Seem pretty fair.Would bring its damage clsoe to typhoon as well.


The only thing that will nto cut alone is giving the tempest extra 5 ms. Just check tornado speed and see why, that role can only be competed if tempest speed goes to like 145ms with same agility as the raven. Adn even so woudl not be as interestign as a simple 7.5% damage bonus. With the extra bennefit that this same bonus coudl be applied to the fleet tempest.

The final option woudl be a fittigns boost nd a 7th turret.

The slot layout is the dumbest thing about the tempest, utility highs are next to pointless if your working with 1400s.