Right now, mining in WHs is only barely safe by virtue of your opponents needing to get probes out to find you, and an experienced prober can still find you with the probes only being visible on dscan for less than 30 seconds. But that still gives the victim--I mean, miner--a small chance to spot the probes and GTFO before it's too late.

With grav sites being anoms, you have only a few seconds' window to spot the attacker (if their incoming wh is within dscan range, the short period between wh cloak and true cloak), or no window at all. There is no reasonable room for pilots to "practice vigilance" outside of gimping your yield by replacing one of your strip miners with a scan probe launcher. A 50% yield loss makes it a waste of time.

The rest of the changes look good, but mining in WHs will become significantly more dangerous in Odyssey if ore sites become anomalies.

Please reconsider this change, as this basically kills mining in wormholes.

Right now, mining in WHs is only barely safe by virtue of your opponents needing to get probes out to find you, and an experienced prober can still find you with the probes only being visible on dscan for less than 30 seconds. But that still gives the victim--I mean, miner--a small chance to spot the probes and GTFO before it's too late.

With grav sites being anoms, you have only a few seconds' window to spot the attacker (if their incoming wh is within dscan range, the short period between wh cloak and true cloak), or no window at all. There is no reasonable room for pilots to "practice vigilance" outside of gimping your yield by replacing one of your strip miners with a scan probe launcher. A 50% yield loss makes it a waste of time.

The rest of the changes look good, but mining in WHs will become significantly more dangerous in Odyssey if ore sites become anomalies.

Ice anom sizes are tuned so that high sec is capable of providing about 80% of the ice needs of New Eden right now, if fully mined.

Looks like someone moved your cheese.

Maybe consider adapting?

and seriously where's the high-sec cheese and/or entertainment for someone who has 45 minutes a night in high-sec?

Have you played SWTOR yet?

I'm not saying its a better game than Eve. What I am saying is it is a far far better game than Eve for someone who has 45 minutes a night to play.

Spoken like a true null sec zealot, or should I say, CSM rep.

Adapt or die.
Sounds like this is what Liz Laser is saying. He plans on dying, which in this case means unsubbing.
But I keep forgetting that is what the null sec zealots want.

All those bleating sheep in high sec to just go away, and the game will be a better place, right?

So, mining in WH becomes almost as dangerous as mining in NO high-sec? Don't see the problem... :)

Rivers of tears are going to flow.

Please reconsider this change, as this basically kills mining in wormholes.

Right now, mining in WHs is only barely safe by virtue of your opponents needing to get probes out to find you, and an experienced prober can still find you with the probes only being visible on dscan for less than 30 seconds. But that still gives the victim--I mean, miner--a small chance to spot the probes and GTFO before it's too late.

With grav sites being anoms, you have only a few seconds' window to spot the attacker (if their incoming wh is within dscan range, the short period between wh cloak and true cloak), or no window at all. There is no reasonable room for pilots to "practice vigilance" outside of gimping your yield by replacing one of your strip miners with a scan probe launcher. A 50% yield loss makes it a waste of time.

The rest of the changes look good, but mining in WHs will become significantly more dangerous in Odyssey if ore sites become anomalies.

spoke like a true nulsec unwilling high sec carebear

So, mining in WH becomes almost as dangerous as mining in NO high-sec? Don't see the problem... :)

Here is what you do: Use a team of two miners. Have each double web the other. Align to your POS. When someone shows on grid the fleet commander hits warp. The double webs means you are at warp speed so you warp right away while still traveling sufficiently slow that you stay in range of the roid.

Also many times we keep scouts on the statics and have the scouts keep a probe out. The probe is to see new signatures (possible new WH's) while the scouts see if anyone comes in via the existing statics.

if you put frigs (scrambling or otherwise) in forsaken hubs, you will have nerfed the last little bit of good isk making in null sec anoms. The close range battlecruisers that a lot of people use to do them will become un-usable (unless you add drones bays to all the former tier 3s that do't have them, namely the naga).

The frigless forsaken hub is the only anomaly that sub caps can use to match some empire isk making pve techniques (liek incursions and empire DED farming). This seems a big huge mistake as it will only nerf individual pilot isk making. Not fatal, but defineately a serious wound.

A better idea would be scramming cruisers for hubs with like a 35 km scram range. The problem with forsaken hubs is lack of scramming things, not lack of frigs.

SWTOR? Seriously? I think that game was the fastest and biggest budget AAA MMO to go from P2P F2P and not to mention Subs dropped like a rock. That game is fairly decent until you complete you character(s) storyline. But honestly, I don't play themepark MMOs anymore I just can't do it anymore. I guess it's because my first MMO was Ultima Online.


But as for ore redistribution I am a little surprised myself. I figured they would add in more minerals to the high end ores but didn't expect them to be filled with Tritanium and Pyerite. It's still sad to see that Omber is still worthless, wonder why they didn't fix that one at least make it more lucrative than Veldspar.

I'm not entirely clear on how the proposed changes are going to make mining in lowsec more desirable. It's still going to be less secure than high sec for a minor increase in profit and less profitable and less secure than mining in 0.0. Grav sites will be easier to find, I suppose, but I don't think that's going to be enough to sustain lowsec mining.

Also: how will the new mining anomalies interact with Faction Warfare space? At present, non-FW anoms do not spawn in FW systems. Will the new mining anoms be suppressed as well, or will they spawn as normal?
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+1 to this.

Lower-class wormholes do not have the available content to support more than a handful of pilots unless you factor in mining. This is why a lot of corps that move into the C1s, C2s, and so on will mine the grav sites to make extra money and have something to do. It's not so much of an issue in C5s and C6s where the sleeper sites and capital escalations generate so much more ISK, but it's a very significant chunk of the available income in the lower-class holes.

Unfortunately with this change, that small C1 or C2 corp is going to have to have a dedicated combat/deep space scanner online and at the keyboard whenever they go out mining, or they'll lose their entire mining fleet to the first hostile roam that comes through. That's one less person to run mining lasers, which reduces the amount of ore they can bring in, and the amount of ISK they generate from it.

Unless anomaly (including grav site) spawn rate is significantly increased in lower-end wormholes, it's likely that most of the smaller corps in wormhole space will just give up, and it will become just like nullsec is now - a place where only huge corps and alliances/coalitions, that can have dozens of members online and at any given time, can really afford to play. I'm not sure that's really a good thing for w-space or for the game.

As far as the ore, they want null to be self sufficient. Heck, when I have the time to be a null-sec dweller *I* want to be self sufficient. But the realities are that high-sec needs a reason to exist until God creates more PvPers. Luckily, most players have more time than me, and incursions may be both the only remaining cheese and the entertainment in high-sec. Just doesn't work for an ultra-casual like me.

Words.

You dont understand less isk per tick is good for deflation... And scram frigs mean more dead nullbears

Null sec needs a grunt level isk making buff, not a nerf.

lolnope, thats one of the worst ideas ever

a nullsec full of miners is not a nullsec full of sheep to prey on, its a nullsec full of sheep, well aware of wolves out there and well connected with each other

Reread what I wrote. I didn't say it should make the whole place secure - just less insecure. If you want industry to be worth a damn, then you need defenseless ships in space to get the things to make it happen.