It would be very easy for CCP to prove me wrong or right and be able to inform the CSM of the changes in player behavior (or lack thereof).....

THIS week, do a census where you note which players are in hi-sec. Measure 10 times including over the weekend. If on any of those censii they are in null or low-sec throw them out of that hi-sec count. Then 90 days after Odyssey do another 10 censii over a week and see how many of those same players get spotted in null. My prediction is it will be a very very very small number and will be due to other factors (like me regaining the leisure time for null-sec).

While I *hope* high-sec will endure and pay their subs, I'm *convinced* that you won't turn them into null-sec players by making high-sec less rewarding, less fun, or less afk-able.

Prove me wrong. You already have the flogging high-sec into null policies soon to be instituted, so just get them to make the measurements and be scientists about it rather than religious zealots about it. Measure your results and throw them in my face if you're right.

While I myself may sound like a zealot in how firmly convinced I am that you can't flog them into null-sec, just remember that *I* am the one asking for the measurements to be taken.

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Overall I like all the changes suggested in the Resource Shakeup in Odyssey: Just donGÇÖt call it a Cataclysm + Companion blog... However I have a suggestion related to the ICE mining.

If CCP is reducing the ICE in HIGHSEC and giving more ORE incentive for players to move players to LOWSEC or NULLSEC then you need to do something about the COMPRESSION game mechanics.

Suggestions

1. Buff the RORQUAL stats for compression.
a. Increase the ICE/ORE HOLD by 100%.
b. Increase the COMPRESSION FACTORY SLOTS by 100%
c. Decrease the COMPRESSION TIME by 50%.

If my numbers are not realistic (I think they are) please do your own calculations and adjust them as necessary.

2. Create a POS module for ICE/ORE COMPRESSION.
a. Make it big like a Rorqual and take up a lot of CPU/POWER resources on the POS.
or
b. Make it small like a refinery so you can put several of them on a POS.

This could be done instead of changing the Rorqual stats or it can be done as a added feature/option.

Thanks,
Loney

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+1

Not really.

Many solo players opt to have multiple accounts and multi-box, rather than play with others. More than a few of those mining fleets are run by a single solo player.

And, more accounts per player means more money for CCP.

So when CCP says 50% of all players in EvE play alone does that include the many solo players who have multiple accounts?

So when CCP says 50% of all players in EvE play alone does that include the many solo players who have multiple accounts? If not then I would imagine the number would be a lot higher?

CCP you must never been an industrialist in a Null Sec Alliance.

Alliance
1. We must go help kill that XXXX Dreadnaught/Titan etc over 2 region over.
2. We need everyone to be in a fleet because we might need a Call to Arms to go Save Alliance XXX's bacon.
3. We need everyone in a Fleet because we want to look good/important to our brother Alliance members during this op.
4. Etc

Industrialist
1. We need to have to protection for our ore mining/ice mining Fleets?
Alliance: wanker off you wimps we have more important things to do like rat.

I have been in several Null Sec Alliances over my years they all end up like the 1, 2

Making mining sites so they have to be scanned down, and not static, I like that. Making it so that they are found with the on board scanner; hmmmm... while in High, Low, and Null sec this makes little difference as to how quickly a miner can be found. It does however appear to be able too foil the bot miners. In Wild space, this will spell certain doom for miners. It is already difficult to mine in Wild space. With no static belts, and only 'random' spawn of grav sites. The only chance miners have in wildspace is the off chance they catch probes or unknown ships on the D scanner. With targeting being what it is in EVE even having a combat fleet on standby in the grav site with the miners will not stop them from meeting death should someone with less than noble intentions suddenly show their face. It's not like you can sit someone on the gates to the system and know when people come in. Sure you can sit scouts on the known worm holes. But the random incoming holes, the only defense against those is the D scanner. Making mining now more like anomaly sites takes away that slim chance that miners currently have in wildspace.

I'm repeating this slice of a previous post and hoping people will express an interest in such a census to CCP, as well as an interest in them publishing the results. While I am skeptical of what I call flogging high-sec players into null-sec, the CSM, CCP and the player population needs to know if such measures succeed or not in their intent.

Creating a new home for these miners also provides opportunities for pilots interested in PVP, as mining is an activity that can be both disrupted and protected by small gangs of ships.

This simply is not true. it is too easy to counter.

We will also be making a significant change to the way hidden asteroid belts will be found by players. We are phasing out the Gravimetric signature category, and instead pilots will be able to find all Ore Sites using their shipGÇÖs built-in anomaly scanning equipment. This change will make finding hidden belts much less difficult for both miners and for those who would prey on them, so pilots are always advised to practice vigilance.

CCP, guys, please STOP thinking with reactive heads. What i mean by this is stop nerfing things and thinking that the only way to solve a situation is by doing something negatively.

the Rorqual is able to compress 500ice blocks per hour. Thats not really much, with the new harvesters.Please adapt the Rorqual too

I'm not spending it mining. I'm spending it in SWTOR. The limited possibilities available for small 45 minute chunks of time in Eve already lost my playing time...

This.

Currently 4-5 hulks fils a rorq's compression slots, if it's ice. With regular ore, it's around 20 or so. With doubling the ice harvesters' performance, something needs to be changed to adjust the rorq's compression performance on ice.

I like this idea... Doing this would give much more incentive for moving to 0.0 and mining since its a pain in the @$$ to haul the ice/ore... even when if one chooses to refine it before hauling!

This I love. I said it about a year ago that hidden mining belts created a massive disadvantage to hunters.

I like the idea of making more options for compression instead of just the Rorqual as the bottleneck factor, but I think if they just change some of the stats on the Rorqual there would not be a need for other things like a POS or Station compression mechanics.

My ides for Rorqual:

GOOD THINGS

First - Make the ORE and ICE be taken from the ORE ICE cargo hold of the ship before compression and delivered to the SHIP cargo hold after compression. This will allow for 250 pieces to be compressed in one time instead of the CURRENT LIMIT of the SHIPS cargo hold.

Second - Give the Rorqual a ship bonus of -%5 production time for compression per level of ship skill. So with a level 5 Rorqual pilot you would have a -25% reduction time in the compression of ORE ICE products.

Third - give the ship more production slots. The current 4 slots limits the ships ability to actually be useful for compression when conducting a mining operation. Currently with the Exhumers abilities to mine massive amounts of stuff and with the suggested -50% decrease in ICE cycle time 4 slots is not enough to keep up with mining productions. I say increase the slot to at least 8-11 slots.

Okay now: I understand CCP's whole ISK sink vs faucet debate so I can't give recommendations for making things better without making them worse too!

BAD THINGS

First - For all the above added features of the Rorqual there should be some cost, right? Well I say that you should TRIPLE the Heavy Water usage while in siege deployed mode. This will not only make the extra features of the ship justifiable but also give a rise to the very under utilized and poor market factor of Heavy Water (though not by much honestly).

Second - Okay I don't have any other things.

This is my thoughts and I'm sticking to them!

As a new player who has ended up pretty much living in lowsec, I can't help but feel the whole gravimetric thing is wrong. The advantage of such a site is that casual players will not be interested enough - or have the right fit - to probe you down. By opening it up to the point where anyone can just d-scan, see a retriever or other barge, and immediately warp to within 30km is going to put people off lowsec mining. Surely anyone can see that a barge with a 10 second warp time is going to die every time unless they carry ECM drones/mods/stabs and are VERY lucky in facing an opponent who is unprepared for such things. the only way to counter this would be as a mining fleet and as mentioned before in this thread, such things are rare. I've seen one lowsec mining fleet - all the same person with 6 alts - in 4 months of lowsec.

You can add rewards but the fear of death and logistical nightmare of hauling ore through gatecamps - and now knowing that you can't even get a relatively safe spot to mine in peace - are what stops people mining in lowsec. Nothing in this patch will change that dynamic, in fact the very people who cling to highsec space will now see lowsec as a death trap.

I'm all for fear of death, hell I'd love the opp to gank some miners with a new character like this one, but this is not the way to entice people in. The rewards needed to go up but the fear of death is already a massive factor because of vulnerability at gates. I don't see how increasing risk AND reward is meant to rebalance anything?

Fozzie:

I have three main questions.

1) Has any thought been given to seeding all the common ore types to all racial highsec space?
Currently, Caldai highsec has no access to isogen, which puts a crimp on manufacturing. All other regions of New Eden contain the 5 common elements needed for basic manufacturing

Wuz crackalackin' once again n' again n' again brave spacecaptains yo. Hoes call me CCP Fozzie n' IGÇÖm here ta brang you our next Dev Blizzay coverin EVE OnlineGÇÖs 19th free expansion, Odyssey. For tha expansion dat arrives so close ta our gameGÇÖs tenth anniversary, we is turnin our attention ta tha original gangsta promise of EVE; a universe of wonder is waitin fo' you n' yo' playaz ta explore n' exploit fo' realz. As part of our focus on tha adventure of explorin tha nuff star systemz of New Eden, we is plannin ta revamp a shitload of tha rewardz dat tha universe itself provides ta enterprisin capsuleers whoz ass is willin ta reach up n' seize em.

Home is where tha crib is
These thangs is basically just straight-up big-ass spaceships right?.......
Outposts may seem like a unusual addizzle ta a resource shakeup devB-ta-tha-L-O-Gizzay yo, but up in realitizzle tha fatez of resource harvestin n' industrial gameplay is too intertwined fo' our asses ta improve one without pimpin-out tha other.

Please reconsider this change, as this basically kills mining in wormholes.

Right now, mining in WHs is only barely safe by virtue of your opponents needing to get probes out to find you, and an experienced prober can still find you with the probes only being visible on dscan for less than 30 seconds. But that still gives the victim--I mean, miner--a small chance to spot the probes and GTFO before it's too late.

With grav sites being anoms, you have only a few seconds' window to spot the attacker (if their incoming wh is within dscan range, the short period between wh cloak and true cloak), or no window at all. There is no reasonable room for pilots to "practice vigilance" outside of gimping your yield by replacing one of your strip miners with a scan probe launcher. A 50% yield loss makes it a waste of time.

The rest of the changes look good, but mining in WHs will become significantly more dangerous in Odyssey if ore sites become anomalies.