I was sure you were gonna say Thulium.

I get 230 max manufacturing slots.

50 (base) + 2*20 (basics) + 2*40 (standard) + 1*60 (improved).

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but don't you get one advanced, two intermediate, and three basic?
So 50 + 3*20 + 2*40 + 60 = 250?

I get 230 max manufacturing slots.

50 (base) + 2*20 (basics) + 2*40 (standard) + 1*60 (improved).

Sanctums are apparently being rebalanced though for higher isk/hr. We'll just have to wait and see what that means.
Hopefully it's a good rebalance and you can make more decent isk than you can now.

Yes but will a monument upgrade platform still cost as nearly as much as an outpost?

Sanctum isk/hr is fine, frigs have a serious unexpected effect on isk hour, it's why forsaken hubs are by far the most popular anomalies (most people use battleships, and even BS with webs and tracking bonuses and light drones can have a hard time)

Decreasing the number of frigs and adding more battlecrusiers to sanctums is nice, but any frigs in forskaen hubs will just kill Teir3 anom farming (nagas already have only just enough slots for tank, how do you add a web to that?).

The devblog doesn't actually say frigs it says pirates, so if it's not frigs being added to forsaken hubs, no harm no foul. But if it is frigs , that's a huge nerf to grunt player income which could have bad effects on null sec pvp. It's goingt o be iteresting to see what happens to null pvp with these changes in general.

We are also making some small tweaks to the NPC composition of Hubs and Sanctums. Switching a few of the NPCs in Hubs to the tougher Elite Frigates and Cruisers, and switching a few of the Elites in Sanctums out for battlecruisers. The changes are still being tweaked and tuned, but the intended result is a better balance between the different anomalies, giving Sanctums the advantage in isk per hour over the easier to find Hubs.

I get 230 max manufacturing slots.

50 (base) + 2*20 (basics) + 2*40 (standard) + 1*60 (improved).

Please quote where it was said that frigates (specifically) were going to be added. All that was mentioned was that warp disruption will be added to anoms that lack it.

Sanctum isk/hr is fine, frigs have a serious unexpected effect on isk hour, it's why forsaken hubs are by far the most popular anomalies (most people use battleships, and even BS with webs and tracking bonuses and light drones can have a hard time)

Decreasing the number of frigs and adding more battlecrusiers to sanctums is nice, but any frigs in forskaen hubs will just kill Teir3 anom farming (nagas already have only just enough slots for tank, how do you add a web to that?).

The devblog doesn't actually say frigs it says pirates, so if it's not frigs being added to forsaken hubs, no harm no foul. But if it is frigs , that's a huge nerf to grunt player income which could have bad effects on null sec pvp. It's goingt o be iteresting to see what happens to null pvp with these changes in general.

Hey guys, just checking in to say I'm gonna go party hard at the pub crawl tonight, so I'll be doing most of my responding to feedback early next week instead of right away. Don't worry, I will read every single post in this thread while nursing my hangover.

I hope you guys enjoy the spoils of the huge amount of work Team Five O has put into these changes, and have fun on the markets.

LOL..just love reading the null bears "wah, wah...my null sec income might be affected". High sec just took another body slam, and you clowns laugh when high sec gets crushed. Now we have one ship class potentially affected by an NPC change, and people lose their minds.

Hypocrites all of you.

So hubs will add some elite frigates and cruisers, sanctums will take some out and switch them for battlecruisers.
IMO that's a good change.

Exscuse my ignorance of the POS sytems, but why does the Ammar have quite a bit more manufacturing capabilities than the other races?

Overall, I think the solution is to do what high sec players are told to do: team up with people, learn to adapt, etc.

LOL..just love reading the null bears "wah, wah...my null sec income might be affected". High sec just took another body slam, and you clowns laugh when high sec gets crushed. Now we have one ship class potentially affected by an NPC change, and people lose their minds.

Hypocrites all of you.

Some suchGǪ and then you have to sacrifice one of those slots for an improved refinery, and another one to get a few more corp offices in there so all slots can be put to full use. So realistically, it's 150ish, when it should be three or four times that.

Some suchGǪ and then you have to sacrifice one of those slots for an improved refinery, and another one to get a few more corp offices in there so all slots can be put to full use. So realistically, it's 150ish, when it should be three or four times that.

GǪoh, and the refinery and office upgrades need similar buffs to make them actually make sense.

You must not rat for your isk.

Forsaken hubs are the only reasons right now to not completely abbandon null sec for empire incursions and high sec 4/10 farming. The things you have to do to kill ANY frigs in a battleship in an anom means you can do other things , and you can do them at all in an Attack BC except for the Talos which sucks outside of Serp/Angel space.

Secondly, those outpost slot increases are off by about one order of magnitude. The design goal should be that if you really max out an indy station, you should have 500GÇô700 manufacturing slotsGǪ even these new numbers aren't nearly enough to get there.

I do, and I hate every minute of it.


But you missed the point. Sanctums will have LESS frigates and elite cruisers and MORE battlecruisers, so LESS of the stuff that's disproportionally tough to kill compared to their bounties. Not only that but sanctums will still lead to The Maze (or whatever the equivalent is for non-Guristas stuff) which is much better than FSP.