The fact that you had to probe them out cut both ways, since it made you quite a lot safer by raising the bar for gankers to get at you. Mining may be more valuable now, but it will be more dangerous as well.

The casual player shouldn't be concerned about isk/hr, and those who want maximum isk/hr in the safety of highsec are the lowest common denominator and CCP shouldn't cater to them.

Liz, you have to remember, you are trying to converse with a zealot.
Facts and logic can never defeat ideology.

In their view of the Eve world, you have no place in it, and the game is better off if you and your kind unsub, and leave the game for the "real" players.

i must say i am really really really unhappy about having to rescan the 60k+ moons we have scanned

UUGH

The fact that you had to probe them out cut both ways, since it made you quite a lot safer by raising the bar for gankers to get at you. Mining may be more valuable now, but it will be more dangerous as well.

Right. The probing bought you additional time to get out of dodge if you saw someone out with combat probes on your D-scan. But this systems just makes it even riskier to mine. In fact I think the scanning system itself may defeat the ore redistribution's purpose, meaning you're getting more reward but a lot more risk, the risk might even outweigh the reward.

Gankers...in the deep null sec alliance enclaves...giggle.

BTW, on a different note, that quarter trillion you invested in ice products, on the strength of just the screen shot of the Pax presentation, guess that turned out pretty well for you. Most people would suggest that a 250 billion investment in something like that would be called a crazy gamble, unworthy of a great economic mind. Unless of course, you had some way of knowing that it was a pretty safe bet.

In completely unrelated news, a dev was fired this past summer for giving away key info to null sec alliance members.

Still going with the passive income model for moon goo aye?

Why on Earth don't you implement the moon ring mining system? The redistribution of moons and demands will do absolutely nothing to stop one entity controlling one section (jump drives negate any kind of distance) and it's still passive income.

If I could make this twenty point font and bright red, I would.

You'll note that CCP is specifically catering to low/null miners already with the mineral changes to the ores in those areas.

Some people like to camp gates and set up border traps ... but to have it almost be a requirement that lots of people be on every border gate at all times seems, for lack of a better word, asinine to me.

So does this mean they'll remove moon mining from pos's competely? No they won't and until they do it will be failed.

So does this mean they'll remove moon mining from pos's competely? No they won't and until they do it will be failed.

The names for the new Composites and Intermediates are terrible. They don't fit in with the rest of the names, nor do they conform to existing materials.

Thulihaf?
ProMerc?

Really?

Please note that all names for the new materials and composites are placeholders.

Gankers...in the deep null sec alliance enclaves...giggle.

BTW, on a different note, that quarter trillion you invested in ice products, on the strength of just the screen shot of the Pax presentation, guess that turned out pretty well for you. Most people would suggest that a 250 billion investment in something like that would be called a crazy gamble, unworthy of a great economic mind. Unless of course, you had some way of knowing that it was a pretty safe bet.

In completely unrelated news, a dev was fired this past summer for giving away key info to null sec alliance members.

You're not making any sense.
Maybe you're just trolling, since, well, goons do that, but I seriously doubt any intelligent miner is going to go "welp, if that neut that just entered local warps in and cynos a fleet on my ass to blow me up, that's just the cost of operation."

He's going to warp to a safe pos because not getting your ship blown up is a lot more cost effective.

EDIT: Or maybe I misunderstood what you said.

Wow, you Goons scanned 60k+ moons? What a carebearish thing to do.... lol. ;)

turns out when you're the best alliance of the last decade and conquer a new region all the goddamn time you accumulate a lot of scans

With ice providing 80% of the pos fuel needs, there's going to be a major price increase in ice 'cause mining in lowsec is imminently hazardous. The problem is that mining is still incredibly dull, and promotes afk-ism, and people generally don't like doing that outside of HS.

Totally ok with risk vs reward. Would settle for Hi-sec being ENTERTAINING, especially for those of us with small chunks of playtime.

Like I said in another post... I WANT null-sec to be the best place for when I have time for it.


Perhaps you're right. If you read my bio I never claimed to be a genius. Let's just hope the rest of high-sec has imagination, or big enough chunks of time for fun like incursions.

I'm totally ok with the idea that I can unsub until I have the free time null-sec requires, (even if it is through my own lack of imagination and I spend that 45 minutes a night watching episodes of Firefly again).

What would really suck is if lots of other high-sec people also see high-sec becoming unrewarding. That would mean no Eve for me to come back to when i develop leisure time again.

No one has ever succeeded at converting large numbers of carebears into PvPers (at least no one with death penalties as high as Eve's). They'll just go elsewhere once they see their playspace becoming unworthwhile.

And pages later I guess no one *can* point me to ANY Odyssey improvements that benefit or entertain high sec players? Or did that question get lost in the shuffle?

Maybe not, but they're certainly encouraging the people already in nullsec to look at whether they should be mining.

It takes ~30 seconds for me to get to an anomaly from the time I jump in to the time that I drop out of warp in the anomaly, even if the anomaly is particularly close to my in-gate (less than 1AU). That's the time necessary to run the system scanner (10 seconds), during which I d-scan to determine the range they're at, the time to choose the anomaly (2-3 seconds), and then the time to enter and exit warp. If they're further away, they're safer. On top of that, gravimetric anomalies are a hell of a lot larger than ratting anomalies and the warp-in point for an intruder may not actually be anywhere near the points you'd sit miners at to mine from, adding extra safety.

Basically, this is not a tremendous increase in risk. It's the difference between "a gang can't threaten you at all unless they have probes" and "a gang can maybe threaten you, if they're fast on the scanner and you're paying an exceptionally low amount of attention."

a miner is prey and its only defense, like prey, should be fleeing to safety when the predators arrive