Actually there has been a response: "We want more conflict". But if all miners simply feel outmatched they will retreat to high and secured null, resulting in less conflict.

In W you will need to lock down the system before mining. Also: mine in pairs. Have each barge double web the other. Align to your POS. The webs will allow you to be at warp speed without flying away from the roid. When someone warps on grid or uncloaks the fleet commander warps you to the POS. As you are at speed the warp is immediate. (Yes its still a race to warp before you are pointed).

Every time you go to the POS to dump return to a different roid. That will give you time to get to warp speed before any cloaked ship gets close enough to attack.

All that will help. A Little. I'm not sure it will help enough.

There needs to be a place for solo miners in wormhole space. I cannot lock down a system by myself, and I am very often the only person in my corp that is logged in some evenings... My only recourse has been to pay attention, but now that will not work either. a cloaked ship can find me with no signs of their presence. I am farked... just plain farked...

Low sec grav sites have Null Sec ores. I would be happy with grav sites with low sec ores found in low sec.

there's plenty of good ores in npc null belts right now, not sure why you need to wait until Odyssey to mine those. will there be any difference between mining null sec belts and lo sec anoms after the expansion?

Actually there has been a response: "We want more conflict". But if all miners simply feel outmatched they will retreat to high and secured null, resulting in less conflict.

In W you will need to lock down the system before mining Also: mine in pairs. Have each barge double web the other. Align to your POS. The webs will allow you to be at warp speed without flying away from the roid. When someone warps on grid or uncloaks the fleet commander warps you to the POS. As you are at speed the warp is immediate. (Yes its still a race to warp before you are pointed).

Every time you go to the POS to dump return to a different roid. That will give you time to get to warp speed before any cloaked ship gets close enough to attack.

All that will help. A Little. I'm not sure it will help enough.

There is a guy in a friend corp that does lock down the system by himself. He parks an alt at the statics and turns up the sound on the effects. Then logs in his other 5 accounts and mines. If someone jumps in he can hear the wormhole cycle and knows its time to warp the fleet to safety.

Its not a viable method for everyone.

One of the alts sitting by the WH has to have probes out to see a new sig. That's also a cue to warp to the POS. With the new discovery scanner I think that need goes away: It will show you all the sigs from your Barge.

The double webs works with 3 ships: Each ship aims one web on each of the other two. Only the fleet commander needs to be aware: fleet warp everyone.

Cloaked ships create a race: Will the quick lock tackle hit before the fleet commander warps? As I said before "All this helps. A little. I'm not sure it helps enough". After all there are poor gankers, and even good ones do not all use cloaked ships. Even those that do fail. I once had my Viator attacked by 3 stealth bombers. They failed.

Also: "But if all miners simply feel outmatched they will retreat to high and secured null, resulting in less conflict." Which means CCP's effort to get more conflict will fail. (I'm considering a very broad concept of "conflict", covering preparation and strategies, not just the actual encounter).

4) Bottlenecks are a tool for creating incentives in a virtual economy. My job isn't to remove them, it's to ensure they create interesting incentives.

I wasn't happy with the way the best truesec systems often missed out on good ice so each tier builds upon the one before instead of replacing. The best ice anoms found in the lowest truesec in all areas of space will contain all three non-racial ice types.

Ah, you're also planning to switch doing all your nasty things at outpost, right?
Oh wait, you mean you prefer to crumble and die? What a wise way of dealing with challenge!

That is so laughable I don't even know where to start. Yes, bottlenecks that involve player time, skill and even luck do what you say, but artificial and static supply side bottlenecks do not.

No, its not a expression of my lack of desire for a challenge. I like challenges that make sense. This new way of setting up the ice fields is absolutely retard3d the amount of ice should NEVER be determined by player needs. It should be in an ort cloud, or if there is anomalies they should be comets. Ort clouds should be be non regenerative and be present in all systems in varying degrees based on security status. IE how long the system has been occupied and used in empire. The longer its been in use the less ice should be initially put in the cloud. The total high sec ice should be enough to take eve thru it's 20th anniversary.

Anomalies should be comets which are moving till the ice is gone. Comet mining anyone?

I think CCP has gotten stuck on the idea of being a driver of conflict. I have no problem with this on a small scale, but to radically shift a basic item like this is ABSOLUTELY the wrong direction to take the game. You want players to be active doing things like PVP, then don't make them go hunting and pecking for ice fields. Hydrogen is the most common element in the universe. How does this change make sense? Only if Stupidity is the most common element on Fozzie's team.

Can you tell I am a little upset about the repercussions of this change?

No, its not a expression of my lack of desire for a challenge. I like challenges that make sense. This new way of setting up the ice fields is absolutely retard3d the amount of ice should NEVER be determined by player needs. It should be in an ort cloud, or if there is anomalies they should be comets. Ort clouds should be be non regenerative and be present in all systems in varying degrees based on security status. IE how long the system has been occupied and used in empire. The longer its been in use the less ice should be initially put in the cloud. The total high sec ice should be enough to take eve thru it's 20th anniversary.

Anomalies should be comets which are moving till the ice is gone. Comet mining anyone?

I think CCP has gotten stuck on the idea of being a driver of conflict. I have no problem with this on a small scale, but to radically shift a basic item like this is ABSOLUTELY the wrong direction to take the game. You want players to be active doing things like PVP, then don't make them go hunting and pecking for ice fields. Hydrogen is the most common element in the universe. How does this change make sense? Only if Stupidity is the most common element on Fozzie's team.

Can you tell I am a little upset about the repercussions of this change?

agreed, i demand all moneymaking options in game be balanced around my unique schedule rather than various options being better for various schedules

accordingly, i demand a complete rebalance of ratting to accommodate my logging in for 5-10 minutes per day to look at the market

There needs to be a place for solo miners in wormhole space. I cannot lock down a system by myself, and I am very often the only person in my corp that is logged in some evenings... My only recourse has been to pay attention, but now that will not work either. a cloaked ship can find me with no signs of their presence. I am farked... just plain farked...

I will admit it is a rather large shift of the game.

We have gone from a player driven economy, now to having a limited resource, Ice.

So now prices will no longer be determined by the number of players that feel like mining it, but rather based on the limited supply compared to a larger demand.

Personally I think price of fuel blocks will actually go higher when this goes live.

We're quite happy in general with the increased risk associated with the increased reward. Ore sites in lowsec, 0.0 and wormholes (especially lowsec) are getting a whole lot more valuable.

You are meant to leave the WH and join a blobby 10000 men corp and stay in their own secured space.

As they say in this thread, you have to adapt!

The worst part of this change is that it really only affects you. No one will will be operating under these changed conditions, and nothing else in the game (like market prices) will change either, so you specifically will be operating at a huge disadvantage compared to the global EVE economy.

In the face of it, it does seem rather unfair that you personally will be bearing the entire cost of these changes, and I would like to thank you for "taking one for the team" while the kinks are worked out. Hang in there, and I'm sure it'll get sorted out.

The new way is better, in RL most of the times there is a scarcity of resources and prices factor in that scarcity.

The old way had a BIG flaw: with the multiboxers and botters, ices price would slowly tend to zero over time (actually to the equivalent of 1 PLEX a month). Now divide 1 PLEX value for the hours in a month (bots don't sleep) and you'll get how low ice was destined to go if CCP did not step in and create a finite resources system.


The only big defect of this new system is that it's a "go in and hoard all ice with 70 alts FAST, leaving smaller miners ZERO chances and 4 hours to wait again".
Every of the very few ice systems will have its 2-3 big hoard sharks, the others will just be crushed and will quit.

You just can't help making sarcastic, douchebag posts can you? Will you take this same tack when players contact you regarding their concerns to be brought up with CCP?

If you don't agree with someone's views you could either try to explaining why you feel differently or, simply ignore them. Your snarky messages don't do a thing to further discourse and only makes you look like a churlish tool.

The new way is better, in RL most of the times there is a scarcity of resources and prices factor in that scarcity.

The old way had a BIG flaw: with the multiboxers and botters, ices price would slowly tend to zero over time (actually to the equivalent of 1 PLEX a month). Now divide 1 PLEX value for the hours in a month (bots don't sleep) and you'll get how low ice was destined to go if CCP did not step in and create a finite resources system.


The only big defect of this new system is that it's a "go in and hoard all ice with 70 alts FAST, leaving smaller miners ZERO chances and 4 hours to wait again".
Every of the very few ice systems will have its 2-3 big hoard sharks, the others will just be crushed and will quit.

It was a rather strange move by CCP, they make a fortune from multi-boxers, but with this new system it will be first come firstonly served, so if you are fast you will get a fair amount, if not you lose.

So the old system was flawed because there was infinite ice, but now the new system is flawed because there is a limited amount of ice.

Got it.