As for the risk/reward balance in WH ore sites, whether the reward is worth it to you is of course subjective, but most ores in wormholes are increasing in value and a few of them are doubling in value. You can't argue that the reward isn't being increased. I'm confident that the risk can be managed, especially since I know for a fact there will be tricks in the new scanner system that you smart wormholers will be able to twist to your advantage.

I can do you one better. The new scanner should be on sisi later today.

I can do you one better. The new scanner should be on sisi later today.

As for the risk/reward balance in WH ore sites, whether the reward is worth it to you is of course subjective, but most ores in wormholes are increasing in value and a few of them are doubling in value. You can't argue that the reward isn't being increased. I'm confident that the risk can be managed, especially since I know for a fact there will be tricks in the new scanner system that you smart wormholers will be able to twist to your advantage.

Ok, so let's say that wh residents will be able to manage their risk to a certain degree. What about lowsec and risk vs reward? I'm shooting blind here but my guess is that it was (next to npc nullsec) the least active area in terms of mining ores. I really can't see how the proposed changes will make lowsec mining any more viable, but can see how it will be less the case.

Don't you have local in lowsec?

I'm going to assume you've just missed the 10 posts I've made in this thread so far, as well as the 6 I made in the main discussion thread in the Science and Industry subforum. Easy mistake in long and active threads.
I've been watching this thread every day, just haven't had a lot of time to post in the last couple days between work and national holidays and the fanfest flu. Don't worry, I haven't forgotten you.

As for the risk/reward balance in WH ore sites, whether the reward is worth it to you is of course subjective, but most ores in wormholes are increasing in value and a few of them are doubling in value. You can't argue that the reward isn't being increased. I'm confident that the risk can be managed, especially since I know for a fact there will be tricks in the new scanner system that you smart wormholers will be able to twist to your advantage.

Whatever Fozzie is smoking either A isn't enough, or B needs to be shared because to think the risk vs reward by changing the way grav sites are discovered is laughable at best. Making something easier is only something SOE would do (See their SWG disaster).

It makes absolutely no sense for me to be able to instantly warp to a hidden Grav Site within a WH and destroy the folks mining there without as much as a single form of warning. The only warning they have is if someone within the corp or alliance in the WH system happens to scan and see a new signature appear or if the miner happens to D-Scan before the hostile vessel can cloak. Please enlighten me as to how this is risk vs reward?

This is simply huge risk. No Reward. The amount of 200mil + Mining vessels that will be lost hardly makes up for the isk regained from mining. I'm sorry but your logic is severely flawed.

Good that you're re-balancing high-end ores, to make them worth more, but why not do a little for mid-end ores as well? Ones like Jaspet, Hedbergite and Hemorphite? Ores typically found in low-sec but also in high-sec gravimetric sites?

Currently their value per m3 is the same as the low-end ores, or only a very few percent (as in single digits) higher.

Of course, if that changes after the expansion, so that we have a clearer value-per-m3 hierarchy, with low-end < mid-end < high-end then that's fine, but if such a hierarchy does not emerge clearly, could you consider giving a slight boost to mid-end ores? Just somehing like +15% mineral content.

If you don't like it, go to highsec.

Except that one of the driving factors behind odyssey is supposed to be encouraging more players to move out of high sec, not those already gone to come running back. If your solution to Odyssey is go back to high sec, than Odyseey is a failed expansion.

Except that one of the driving factors behind odyssey is supposed to be encouraging more players to move out of high sec, not those already gone to come running back. If your solution to Odyssey is go back to high sec, than Odyseey is a failed expansion.

Being able to instantly warp to a miner is hardly a challenge. If you had issues finding miners before you just had no idea what you were doing. Good WH scouts could pin a miner in under 30 seconds. Which at least is a fraction of a fighting chance compared to point, click, warp.

The only fail around here is you. Odyssey is supposed to fix some of the risk vs reward imbalance in the game, and that's exactly what's delivering.

Really?

According to the CSM minutes the Odyssey expansion was primarily about fixing null sec industry and encouraging more industrial players to move from high sec out to null.

The risk vs reward balance that was supposed to be fixed was the fact that a high sec miner made the same if not more isk/hr as a null sec miner, while the null sec miner had much higher risk. The idea was to increase the reward for null sec miners to offset the already higher level of risk and return it to a somewhat balanced state.

They have added 10 pounds to the reward side of that scale which was great, but then they added 100 pounds to the risk side which makes it even worse than it was before.

CSM developers clearly stated in the CSM minutes that they wanted to expand and support null sec industry, including both mining and manufacturing. The ore composition changes alone would have done this nicely. But the added risk from moving grav sites to anomalies tips the scale way to far in the wrong direction.

Ok, so now all we need in order to find a grav site is a one-click operation instead of actually scanning it? Seriously, CCP?

If you don't like it, go to highsec.

According to the CSM minutes the Odyssey expansion was primarily about fixing null sec industry and encouraging more industrial players to move from high sec out to null.

No you still have to actually probe it down, the scanner just tells you that it's there & gives you the general location.

Do you people actually read things, or do you just skim over the details & complain about the first thing you don't like the sound of?