So question:

If Gneiss and Spodumain has such a low value, how will increasing the amount of minerals they produce help? The end result as I see it is those minerals getting even lower in price, eventually resulting in Gneiss and Spodumain going back to their original low value. The reason for those minerals to be so low in value must after all be due to oversupply, right? Producing even more of those minerals then, to me, doesn't sound like a good solution.

Wouldn't it be better to maybe remove half of the Gneiss and Spodumain asteroids from each belt? That way they neither become an anchor nor do they result in oversupply of those minerals, making them increase in value.

The income from mining Arkonor could have been easily boosted by simply rebalancing spodumain to be in line with ABC in terms of high end minerals, thus increasing the total ISK/hr of mining out the asteroids in these nullsec grav sites.

These changes will not encourage more miners to head out to null sec. These changes are effectively ensuring that the miners already mining in nullsec will provide more resources, reducing the requirement for sourcing those resources from anywhere else such as shuttling them down from hisec, or employing more miners in null.

To encourage more miners in nullsec, CCP should remove mineral compression. This will put pressure on nullsec industrialist to source their materials locally. In addition, make life easier for miners by reworking refineries. With the coming Surface Infrastructure boosts, industry in low/null will be significantly boosted, allowing nullsec to get closer to the holy grail of being able to supply all their ammo requirements "locally" (and more to the point, being required to do so).

There needs to be pain involved in sourcing materials for war. Making it easier for nullsec by simply adding super-veldspar into the mix is very much a step in the wrong direction. This reduces any incentives to interact with people outside the alliance. I believe that small, surgical changes are all that is required to significantly change the rules of the game, not these sledge-hammer approaches of adding more tritanium to ABC than exist in Veldspar. This is a mess. An unmitigated disaster.

I'll just sit back and try to calm down for a while, before presenting my main question to the round table tomorrow which will be: what proportion of nocxium in EVE was refined from Pyroxeres over the last few months? If CCP cannot answer that question, I will take it as evidence that they didn't pay much attention to the entirety of the material economy, and spent entirely too much time listening to the whinging of null sec "industrialists" whose only purpose in life is to contribute to the proliferation of supercapital ships in Supercapitals Online.

PS: yes, I mad.

and seriously where's the high-sec cheese and/or entertainment for someone who has 45 minutes a night in high-sec?

Have you played SWTOR yet?

I'm not saying its a better game than Eve. What I am saying is it is a far far better game than Eve for someone who has 45 minutes a night to play.

So, mining in WH becomes almost as dangerous as mining in NO high-sec? Don't see the problem... :)

Because it's a kneejerk Fox News Talking Point to throw in whenever CCP fixes something unbalanced the poster previously benefitted from.

no I dind't "miss" it, I mentioned it, it doesn't matter. A SINGLE frig in an anom makes a large gun only ship obsolete unless you are at range and can pop it as it approaches.

You dislike doing anoms and so probably don't understand what's happening. I like anoms (because I hated belt ratting) and have created litterly dozens of 1 and 2 ship doctrines to tackle them. This will end up a very serious nerf across multple ships, in case like the Naga it might prove fatal, and the naga is a great ship for poor player to jump in and make some isk.

Not the end of the world, but it is going the wrong way (ccp should be helping grunt players and making null income bottom up rather than top down). And yea, even if they remove all but one frig from sanctums. .

i swaer it's like Blood Raider Naval Shipyard all over again.....

Edit: and 10/10s might be better than FSP because you go to one place, but you can't drop a dread on a maze and be done in 5 minutes likeyou can fsp 3.

One of the shocking realities of Null Sec was how important tritanium became the further from highsec you found yourself.

But there was never a shortage of Veldspar and Scordite in null-sec when I was there.

The problem with tribbles, er tritanium is no one wanted to mine Veldspar for the hassles of null-sec.

So now they're just basically giving us FREE trit if we'll mine almost ANYTHING, including the rare and already valuable stuff.

It's a give-away to null-sec (and I'll happy to have it when I get back to being active), but as I predicted earlier, it isn't going to get any significant number of people out of high-sec and into null-sec.

It's just going to make it so that null-sec dwellers have to travel to high-sec less. Less traffic equals less opportunity for conflict/fun.

But once I'm back to being active, I'll probably like the added autonomy. Hell, a lot of my low and null-sec losses on killboards (those helios losses, especially) are from scouting one system ahead for my hauling alt. Less hauling means losing less ships for me, and less killing ships for gate campers.

Two words will describe Odyssey's resource shake-up the most: LESS HAULING.

If you're a null-sec industrialist that's groovy. I've tried my hand at it at times, and these changes will cause me to try it again.

Everyone else (null and low sec PvP-centric players, high-sec freighter gankers, high-sec industrialists and people who make isk through anything but null-sec industrialism), however, just got crapped on.

I consider myself in the null PvP-centric group when I have real world leisure. But it is mildly interesting that they want to fix a career I have often given up on. And before you suggest that sentence is an admission that it needed fixing, I'll point you to all those supercaps that got built by industrialists that didn't give up on it. Every null-sec outpost, POS and every supercap is proof that industry can be done. Soon it will be done with less hauling. All hail the coming autonomous null-sec!

Those supercaps got built by hauling in compressed minerals from hi-sec. The only reason they were built in 0.0 is that's the only place it's allowed to build them.

Someone please explain to me how less hauling is good for the game, long-term.

when minerals are being mined locally instead of battleships being imported there is a lot more content, because there are macks and hulks mining all the time instead of a jump freighter making a weekly stop.

when minerals are being mined locally instead of battleships being imported there is a lot more content, because there are macks and hulks mining all the time instead of a jump freighter making a weekly stop.

Oh dear lord, here we go again!

Playing eve for SO long... Hi sec players WIL NOT MOVE to low/0.0 sec... Jeez, u would imagine ccp would get that into their thick skulls after almost 10 years...

Literally every single person in nullsec was at some point a high sec player who moved out, since that is where our characters spawned when we created them.

Literally every single person in nullsec was at some point a high sec player who moved out, since that is where our characters spawned when we created them.

He probably means what I've said... you simply cannot flog high-sec players into null-sec.

It does seem a bit strange to announce that 50% of EvE players, play solo and then introduce more things that require multiple players.

It does seem a bit strange to announce that 50% of EvE players, play solo and then introduce more things that require multiple players.

Well he's right about that, up until the point where he uses it as an excuse to justify not buffing nullsec as needed (or not nerfing highsec as needed).

It amuses me that highsec miners treat trit at 5+ and pyerite at 13+ and so on as the natural order of things rather than an aberration, though.

Ice anom sizes are tuned so that high sec is capable of providing about 80% of the ice needs of New Eden right now, if fully mined.