Considering how easy it will be to find mining ships in WHs after the changes to Grav sites being anomalies found on Dscan, is thijs a stealth nerf in order to reduce the desirability of WH living? Or what reasoning does CCP have in making it so that mining in WHs is now a game of russian roulette.


Even if multiple anoms spawn instead of a single Grav site. With the new tracking camera, it is still easy as hell to locate a ship that's on any of the selectable locations such as anoms, pocos, planets etc. With the ability to select your anom in space instead of using the old align to method, you're indirectly speeding up the ability of an aggressor to locate a ship.

ThuliHaf...... err go with Thulium Hafnite?

and ProMerc, u were so close to an easy name - Promercurite

the Composites tend to have 'ium' endings to names so promercurium wouldnt fit too well.

A 2-hour-uptime 4-hour-downtime schedule would just be tedious. Ice mining is tedious enough.

I'd have to disagree.. There's NOTHING tedious about warping 10 alts to a belt in mackinaws, targetting the same ice rock that doesn't deplete.. and then going afk for an hour while the hold fills.

i think that was the plan all along, one of the main selling points for aggressors when referring to the 'no local' thing was to catch people relatively unawares after jumping in and scanning. i believe this change is to better get the higher speed of the process to more people to show the current system isnt that bad.

plus the mining in WH's thing i think has been nerfed due to their ability to easy (albeit awkwardly) get minerals to highsec markets.

i remember that being one of the bug bears of CSM7 that had never been resolved.

Wrong choice of words... not so much tedium, but more brain numbing.

I think CCP is missing an opportunity with the retooling of ice belts with going about it this way. Rather than have ice belts respawn a few hours after depeltion with an expected uptime of a few hours and always in the same systems, a more gold-rush style atmosphere would come about from ice belts respawning after several days or weeks with an amount of available ice estimated to deplete in that same timeframe, and most certainly change locations.

This would encourage a prospecting attitude among ice miners, who would necessarily have to search for and relocate to new resources. It would also avoid a likely downtime of "professional" ice miners waiting out a 4-hour period, and instead fill that downtime with searching for and moving to new sources.

A 2-hour-uptime 4-hour-downtime schedule would just be tedious. Ice mining is tedious enough.

Regarding Outpost upgrades, let me say one word: Super Capitals. Almost no one uses CSMAs because the risk of them being inaccessible and loosing your 25+ billions ISK ship without at least a fighting chance is completely unappealing. What I propose is why not get rid of the CSMA altogether and replace it with a very expensive Outpost upgrade that allows for at least Super Carriers, to be docked? I'm pretty sure this would top most Super Cap pilot's wish list of Outpost upgrades.

WHs are still relatively safe

you probescan the whole system and place an alt at every wormhole (a halfway decent WH corp has enough alts that can't mine) doing so allows you to actually hear anyone coming into the system via one of these WHs

another alt is constantly probing the system for new signatures, as soon as one appears you know that you might have a problem and can get the mining fleet safe

I am looking forward to the changes to the ABC ores and the needed love given to spodumain. One of the shocking realities of Null Sec was how important tritanium became the further from highsec you found yourself. I view this as a positive step in the right direction for Null Sec.

However I do wonder how this will impact the price and desirability of Jump Freighters whom supply a good portion of those needed minerals to Null Sec builders currently.


Power To The Players!

But with this system, even a player that's sitting at his keyboard mining will be caught since it takes mere seconds to be able to locate the right anomaly and player, while the align time on the mining ships is crap.. And don't forget, CCP was trying to ENCOURAGE mining in low/null. This way it's just going to be way more rare to see miners in low.

As for the ABC thing from WH to HS markets, that's hardly a valid argument. With the mass amounts and the amount of space the ore took up, there wasn't a lot of WH dwellers EXPORTING their products to the market. Using the refinery is pretty much useless as you're basically just throwing away 1/4 of the materials by using it. I would say majority uses it locally to build stuff and avoid the hassle of importing it instead. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with that.

In all honesty, it makes no difference to me, since even my WH dweller never mines because of the hassle associated with it.

Please do explain how the mining changes hinder new alliances in 0.0

WHs are still relatively safe

you probescan the whole system and place an alt at every wormhole (a halfway decent WH corp has enough alts that can't mine) doing so allows you to actually hear anyone coming into the system via one of these WHs

another alt is constantly probing the system for new signatures, as soon as one appears you know that you might have a problem and can get the mining fleet safe

Please do not add more slots to outposts, except perhaps for additional corporate office slots. Industry in null should take place in POSes, not in outposts. POS industry is better from a game design perspective than outpost industry. First, POSes require fuel, so increased POS use stimulates PI and ice mining; more POSes means more PvE, which means a more active economy, more ISK in player pockets, AND more targets in space to shoot at. Second, POSes are objectives to fight over. Third, a POS is a stake in the ground, and creates a sense of ownership. Fourth, POS industry encourages cooperation between corp members, and creates openings for corp thieves.

LOL. Seriously... I don't get some of these complaints. Do people seriously believe that GSF is going to devote a significant number of pilots to ice mining in highsec? How deluded could you possibly get?

Randomly adding high value materials to moons. I like that you're being random about it, but was there really no other way? Those of us that keep moon databases now have to rescan our entire database. That is a HUGE amount of work and isk. Could the production not be balanced further somehow?

Ice mining getting moved to anomalies is a "body slam"?
Seriously?
Check your privilege.

Why leave the ice anoms in the systems that have ice now? Miners have chased the better grav sites around so why not ice? Also it would really put the hurt on the botters.