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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:01:00 -
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As discussed in the EVE Keynote at FanFest 2013, we are completely changing resource balancing in Odyssey. Here with two dev blogs to discuss these changes is CCP Fozzie.
In the main dev blog here, you can find a high level overview of the changes and our reasoning for them
In the companion dev blog here, you can learn all about the nitty gritty numbers.
Please post all feedback in this thread.
New Eden Community Representative GÇ+ New Eden Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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Hlynurth
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:04:00 -
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420 bl4ze 1t |
Dirk Action
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:05:00 -
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snigg#1 |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2658
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:06:00 -
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Rivers of tears are going to flow. |
Eessi
Murderous Inc
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:07:00 -
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looking forward to the preset probe formations.
edit: horde that ice maybe? |
Cass Lie
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:08:00 -
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Seriously Hilmar, this Fozzie guy deserves a raise. |
Jeidan Fallstaff
Nyota Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:09:00 -
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Ejaculoot!
What if your sole reason for being is simply to serve as a warning to others? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
4726
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:09:00 -
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Welp my thread was premature.
Module activation timers are buggy. CCP please fix. |
Graygor
1kB Realty
1kB Galactic
23940
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:10:00 -
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I love these changes.
"I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"Something I don't say very often: The welshman is right." - Marcus Gord |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
8843
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:11:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Rivers of tears are going to flow.
The surest sign of a good change.
Malcanis' Law:-á "Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of 'new players', that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players."
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13837
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:11:00 -
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One question and one immediate observation:
How much ice will actually be in the new belts? On of the main problem with the current design is that they simply are too large GÇö even at a decent depletion rate, they'd stick around forever.
Secondly, those outpost slot increases are off by about one order of magnitude. The design goal should be that if you really max out an indy station, you should have 500GÇô700 manufacturing slotsGǪ even these new numbers aren't nearly enough to get there.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
Superior Eve Engineering
678
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:11:00 -
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Fun times for the market!
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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
5550
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:11:00 -
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Hey guys, just checking in to say I'm gonna go party hard at the pub crawl tonight, so I'll be doing most of my responding to feedback early next week instead of right away. Don't worry, I will read every single post in this thread while nursing my hangover.
I hope you guys enjoy the spoils of the huge amount of work Team Five O has put into these changes, and have fun on the markets.
Game Designer | Team Five-0
https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Dilbert HighSeed
Pirannha Corp
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:13:00 -
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Bottom line, another massive transfer of wealth from high sec to null sec and wh's.
Demand for high sec mins was just wiped out as null sec now is overflowing with low end mins in high sec ores.
And wh's no longer have a trit / pyerite scarcity issue. |
David Kir
Pixel Navigators
Hostile Work Environment.
25
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:13:00 -
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Ok, so hubs are getting scramming rats and frigates..
Not sure if i like this or not, but hey, at least lowsec'll be full of explorers now.
Oh, and my Vagabond is getting some love, too.
All of this makes for quite an... ahem... explosive combination, doesn't it? |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
5550
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:14:00 -
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Tippia wrote:One question and one immediate observation:
How much ice will actually be in the new belts? On of the main problem with the current design is that they simply are too large GÇö even at a decent depletion rate, they'd stick around forever.
Ice anom sizes are tuned so that high sec is capable of providing about 80% of the ice needs of New Eden right now, if fully mined.
Game Designer | Team Five-0
https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2658
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:14:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Rivers of tears are going to flow. The surest sign of a good change.
Indeed. |
Kethry Avenger
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
75
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:15:00 -
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Need more graphs, pictures or MS paint! |
DJ P0N-3
Table Flippendeavors
188
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:15:00 -
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You mean...I'll be able to land on miners in w-space without ever having to drop probes?
It's...beautiful... |
Graygor
1kB Realty
1kB Galactic
23942
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:15:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Tippia wrote:One question and one immediate observation:
How much ice will actually be in the new belts? On of the main problem with the current design is that they simply are too large GÇö even at a decent depletion rate, they'd stick around forever.
Ice anom sizes are tuned so that high sec is capable of providing about 80% of the ice needs of New Eden right now, if fully mined.
I approve of scarcity. 
Have fun on your drinkies.
"I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"Something I don't say very often: The welshman is right." - Marcus Gord |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
4727
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:17:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Secondly, those outpost slot increases are off by about one order of magnitude. The design goal should be that if you really max out an indy station, you should have 500GÇô700 manufacturing slotsGǪ even these new numbers aren't nearly enough to get there.
This. I haven't done the analysis myself but I know that Tippia understands these things a lot better than I do.
Module activation timers are buggy. CCP please fix. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13837
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:18:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Ice anom sizes are tuned so that high sec is capable of providing about 80% of the ice needs of New Eden right now, if fully mined. GÇ£Fully minedGÇ¥ meaning 23.5/7, and every anomaly sucked dry, presumably?
Sounds reasonably scarce. 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
8844
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:18:00 -
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Tippia wrote:
Secondly, those outpost slot increases are off by about one order of magnitude. The design goal should be that if you really max out an indy station, you should have 500GÇô700 manufacturing slotsGǪ even these new numbers aren't nearly enough to get there.
Agreed. These changes will help a little, of course, but they'll still leave sov 0.0 pathetically under-resourced to become even partially self sufficient. Going from 3% of the slots of hi-sec to 5% isn't really going to change anything.
And outpost upgrades are still insanely overpriced. Drop them down to the 2-4-6B range so we can actually use them plx.
EDIT: But the extra office space WILL help.
Malcanis' Law:-á "Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of 'new players', that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players."
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ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation
Unclaimed.
534
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:19:00 -
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inb4 the threadanaught
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Nulla Curas |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
358
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:20:00 -
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What about wormhole ice anomalies ?
G££ <= Me |
Forlorn Wongraven
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:22:00 -
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First. Please fix the Gallente station undock.
Shadoo > whoever was the first nyx on grid
Shadoo > THANK GOD YOU ARE A SMART MAN and fitted the best tank in PL
Shadoo > (ie. cyno) |
David Kir
Pixel Navigators
Hostile Work Environment.
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:23:00 -
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Forlorn Wongraven wrote:First. Please fix the Gallente station undock.
lol |
Hoarr
Asgard.
Exodus.
139
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:23:00 -
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Altrue wrote:What about wormhole ice anomalies ?
Do you currently have them? No? then probably not. WHs should not be self sustaining for everything, that's been a pretty basic design direction from CCP since they were implemented. |
darmwand
Repo.
115
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:24:00 -
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Quote:pilots will be able to find all Ore Sites using their shipGÇÖs built-in anomaly scanning equipment
I'm sure that's going to encourage people to mine in low-sec 
Sounds promising though, good to see that our industrialist friends get some love.
darmwand
Repossession Agent
http://www.repo-corp.net/
Recruitment is OPEN |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
358
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:25:00 -
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Not permanent Ice belts, but add an ice belt to the list of mining anomalies that can spawn. So that we have a small chance of getting one of them from time to time.
G££ <= Me |
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