Good catch: Any sort of system X -> system Y transition as well as warping out of grids.

Question number 1: Can I turn this off?

If you're worried about your platform not handling the effect, it shouldn't be any more of a gfx resource hog than the warp effect

Not exactly what I ment, i wanted to know if there will also be a new jump effect for cynoing in/out of a system similar to the one the gates now get. Because currently we have a boring loading bar instead of a cool jump tunnel.

But I will be checking your request on odd effects on jumping out/into a system with a cyno

Missed that earlier, sorry.

The current changes only work for gate jumps, but as alluded to the optimizations cover all cases. So.. hopefully we can get some lovin' for wormholes, cynos and bridges in the future. But all this work is a collaboration between different teams. I'm the backend tech guy who made the effects play out nicely, not the guy who hooked everything together or the art tech guy who made the effect itself. And it turns out it's really quite douchy to promise work on the behalf of others

Missed that earlier, sorry.

The current changes only work for gate jumps, but as alluded to the optimizations cover all cases. So.. hopefully we can get some lovin' for wormholes, cynos and bridges in the future. But all this work is a collaboration between different teams. I'm the backend tech guy who made the effects play out nicely, not the guy who hooked everything together or the art tech guy who made the effect itself. And it turns out it's really quite douchy to promise work on the behalf of others

New gate jump effect is nice and all, but after couple of jumps I feel like animation could be shorter.
I think that post-jump rotation "around ship" will lead to motion sickness (especially on longer travels) and camera should be positioned behind ship immediately after warp.

I can see this getting VERY old very fast after my umpteenth 20 jump trip....

Also, even on my rather beastly PC, this is still not seamless, and rather laggy. But you've tested this thing thouroughly so you already knew that right? /sarcastic tone

Some Caldari stargates appear to be facing the opposite direction. I don't know about other stargates yet.
Is this intended?

Also even after the UI fades, you will still get tooltips from mousing over areas where portions of the UI were. For example if you jump and then place your mouse where the safety button is, you'll get the tooltip saying what your current safety setting is.
I'll upload a picture of this soon.

...Windows disappearing from view while warping is also breaking workflow. It's fine windows controls become locked while jumping systems, just dont hide them. When I'm jumping systems I am often reviewing industry / market / inventory windows. Even though i'm not actively editing them, it's nice to be able to read the info presented.

...i notice there is no more [abort undock] button anymore , and thats kinda bad since half the time i forget to fit osmething before i undock :P

...One thing I'm not a fan of is that the initial opening tunnel animation can be blocked by some stargates with closed ends....

You want to turn off the optimizations?

Ok, so it looked cool on fanfest, but it took 4 jumps to me to be completely irritated.

1) Transition is actually longer that our current "Jumping - Loading" stuff (at least from my POV, maybe i am mistaken)
2) Camera rotation after jump for 3 seconds - do we really need to lose this much time?
3) Chat disappears - VERY BAD
3) No "Disable" option?

[quote=Schmell]((Makes me wonder, during Tidi or long grid loads on Tranq, will we get to fly down the tunnel for a loong time as grid is setup for the new system? - personally I'd like it ; better than a black / frozen screen ))

New gate jump effect is nice and all, but after couple of jumps I feel like animation could be shorter.
I think that post-jump rotation "around ship" will lead to motion sickness (especially on longer travels) and camera should be positioned behind ship immediately after warp.

I went on and checked it, and I am not getting any of the problems you mentioned. I only did a few jumps though. Good job by the way, it looks and feels fantastic.

Aside from that though, will the new scanner effect run every time we jump through a gate on the final build? Because that could get old really fast.

*It would be nice if the tunnel effect was made more interesting. I mean, in its current form it looks pretty nice, but I feel more could be done with it while keeping it simple at the same time. One thing I'm not a fan of is that the initial opening tunnel animation can be blocked by some stargates with closed ends. Maybe try a different camera angle?

*Sometimes the camera jerks around pretty badly when re-adjusting after a jump. It would be great if the camera didn't have to adjust at all, because I can see that jerkiness being a problem for people with motion sickness.

*The UI SHOULD NOT be fading out.

*There are some graphical glitches with the constant gate distortion. Engine trails will bend if they superimpose the distortion effect, and there will be some odd outer-mirage effect with ship hulls when they get too close. I love the distortion effect with its current intensity, so please try to find some way to fix these glitches without downgrading the effect from its current state.

I can see this getting VERY old very fast after my umpteenth 20 jump trip....

Also, even on my rather beastly PC, this is still not seamless, and rather laggy. But you've tested this thing thouroughly so you already knew that right? /sarcastic tone

2. Often (but not always) the effect disappears half-way through and I see normal space instead of the jump tunnel

I can't pinpoint when it occurs but sometimes when I click "Jump" from gate to gate I end up just sitting on the gate at 0 rather than jumping.

The graphical effect itself looks great -

however the biggest downside i see is the quite significant amount of time it adds for longer trips.

I'd recommend to make the effect shorter (by a few seconds) or making it possible to turn it off.

The extra seconds it takes for every jump get very annoying when travelling 40 jumps and back.

You know I'd wager that a lot of people who have a problem with the jump effect is because of the UI disappearing, it's a very noticeable transition and completely focuses your attention on the whole animation.

Kind of annoying that the interface is minimised everytime you go through a gate. I like it overall but if the interface could remain, even if only static so you can still read it and not interact with it, then it would be much better.

It takes exactly zero seconds longer for this effect compared to the no effect beforehand.


Does anyone even read anymore?

Well i dont know about you but i tested it on both SISI and TQ around 10 times and measured the time and it does take longer - at least on my PC where grid loads pretty much instantly on TQ (after the jump effect i mean).
On TQ it was always around 8 sec in a non crowded area (measured from pushing the jump button til grid fully loaded), on SISI it took between 9 and 12
While I agree that the difference is not as much as I expected - I still think the effect should not take longer than before.

pls change:

* dont change the focus on my ship, i zoomed out completely and after every gate jump i have to do that again, i dont need to see my ship over the whole monitor

* dont hide the ui completly

Also you can always switch to the star map when travelling if you find the motion sickness and loud noises too much.

Or just make it so the camera doesn't act like a ******** bull in a glass walled china shop.

Afraid I have to go along with the "this causes headaches" group.

To be clear, its not the warp tunnel effect, thats fine and yes its prettier than a loading bar. What causes the problems is the way the camera pans to look down the gate as the jump is started and the way the camera pans/zooms back into your ship at the other end.

Leave the warp tunnel effect but please leave the camera focus on the ship.

Thanks

Well i dont know about you but i tested it on both SISI and TQ around 10 times and measured the time and it does take longer - at least on my PC where grid loads pretty much instantly on TQ (after the jump effect i mean).
On TQ it was always around 8 sec in a non crowded area (measured from pushing the jump button til grid fully loaded), on SISI it took between 9 and 12
While I agree that the difference is not as much as I expected - I still think the effect should not take longer than before.

The camera faces towards the stargate and the proceeds down the warp tunnel. I can't understand why this is causing people motion sickness. I mean seriously, don't ruin this for everyone else with these silly complaints.

The camera faces towards the stargate and the proceeds down the warp tunnel. I can't understand why this is causing people motion sickness. I mean seriously, don't ruin this for everyone else with these silly complaints.

As the other poster said. You couldn't actually interact with the interface in the current build anyway. In the new build you can actually continue to type and it will work even though the interface is hidden. I think once people are used to it will just become normal.

Also you can always switch to the star map when travelling if you find the motion sickness and loud noises too much.

The good:
Love the animation itself. Awesome

The ugly:
The UI vanishes during the animation, and it isn't optional!

This totally messes with some people who do long routes (maybe freightering through highsec) and have to work on route (market and assets window, most likely).

The animation may be cool, but I don't want to be forced to watching it every time when my time might at that moment be better spent looking at sth. else (market orders, the map, eve-mail !).

Make it optional. I'll watch it sometimes, other times it'll be hidden by windows.
(Don't change anything about the animation itself, just don't make my UI dissapear in the meantime).

Right now, on TQ, you already lose your whole UI during session changes between systems.

Even with the fancy effect, system changes are still session changes and so they're handled the same way. Tear down the UI until you're in the new system and able to interact with the cluster again. The new jump effect, while pretty, is just fancy wallpaper to cover over the same process that's been happening for ten years.

You're only noticing it now because there's no black screen during jumps and so it no longer feels like you're disconnecting from one system and connecting to the next, even though server-wise that's exactly what's still happening.

The camera faces towards the stargate and the proceeds down the warp tunnel. I can't understand why this is causing people motion sickness. I mean seriously, don't ruin this for everyone else with these silly complaints.

We read over this feedback, and some of it made sense.

• We're planning on making some changes to the camera sweep on system entry for sure.
• There is also some more work to being done on optimizing the system loading, which should help the stutter in the jump tunnel.
• Also taking a look at wormholes and bridges.

We read over this feedback, and some of it made sense.

• We're planning on making some changes to the camera sweep on system entry for sure.
• There is also some more work to being done on optimizing the system loading, which should help the stutter in the jump tunnel.
• Also taking a look at wormholes and bridges.

We read over this feedback, and some of it made sense.

• We're planning on making some changes to the camera sweep on system entry for sure.
• There is also some more work to being done on optimizing the system loading, which should help the stutter in the jump tunnel.
• Also taking a look at wormholes and bridges.

We read over this feedback, and some of it made sense.

• Also taking a look at wormholes and bridges.

Awesome! But as awesome as I think the jump tunnel is, please don't just carbon copy it for bridges and wormholes just to have an effect. I think it'd be better to wait for an awesome effect that fits those forms of travel than it would be to get rid of the loading bar for something that doesn't fit.

We read over this feedback, and some of it made sense.

• We're planning on making some changes to the camera sweep on system entry for sure.

Awesome! But as awesome as I think the jump tunnel is, please don't just carbon copy it for bridges and wormholes just to have an effect. I think it'd be better to wait for an awesome effect that fits those forms of travel than it would be to get rid of the loading bar for something that doesn't fit.

The new gate jump effect kinda lags a little, amazing if we get the lag taken care of

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But CCP doesn't have to tone done the effect. A simple menu option to disable it (replace with black screen) and the problem is solved.

now that these new gate jump effects give the notion of space travel continuity, please keep my modules running after the jump, if they are running before

Thank you

The camera panning is actually part of the coolness of the effect as it feels as though you are really being sucked into the stargate which is great.

He's not talking about the effect where the camera lines up with the exit gate when you start a jump. He's talking about the big camera sweep once you've landed in the new system, where the camera pans around to show the stargate you just entered through. That part is a bit annoying after 15-20 jumps.

We read over this feedback, and some of it made sense.
We're planning on making some changes to the camera sweep on system entry for sure.

Disappointing to be honest. I had a feeling this really nice jump animation would be dumbed down for all the wet blankets complaining of motion sickness.

He's not talking about the effect where the camera lines up with the exit gate when you start a jump. He's talking about the big camera sweep once you've landed in the new system, where the camera pans around to show the stargate you just entered through. That part is a bit annoying after 15-20 jumps.

stuff

Was it too difficult to read the post I wrote just above yours? Re read what CCP has actually said they will do and how it differs from you just wrote.


Highlighted it in bold there for you just in case you fail at reading again. ^

So you don't really know what they actually going to do and still whine about dumbing down. Ok, do not stop your whining then.

I agree perhaps the exit camera could improve by transitioning to where it last was before the jump effect. But due to all the whining CCP are now nerfing the entry effect which is one of the most awesome parts of the animation.

You are difficult to explain things to.

I'll do this very slowly. Or as slowly as you can via text.

The jump effect is easily broken into three pieces. These pieces are, in order:

1. System Exit - This is where your camera centers on the stargate and lines itself up with where you're going.


2. System Transition - This is the grey and flashing "hyperspace tunnel" effect.


3. System Entry - This is when the camera exits the hyperspace tunnel, zooms in on your ship and then sweeps around to aim at the stargate you just came in through.

List item #3 is what they are talking about.

I understand that in your mind, somehow you think that entering a new system begins the same instant you initiate a jump, but it's not true. You must first exit your current solar system, then travel between the origin system and your destination system before being able to finally enter the new solar system.

The jump effect is easily broken into three pieces. These pieces are, in order:

1. System Exit - This is where your camera centers on the stargate and lines itself up with where you're going.


2. System Transition - This is the grey and flashing "hyperspace tunnel" effect.


3. System Entry - This is when the camera exits the hyperspace tunnel, zooms in on your ship and then sweeps around to aim at the stargate you just came in through.

List item #3 is what they are talking about.

We read over this feedback, and some of it made sense.

• We're planning on making some changes to the camera sweep on system entry for sure.
• There is also some more work to being done on optimizing the system loading, which should help the stutter in the jump tunnel.
• Also taking a look at wormholes and bridges.

We read over this feedback, and some of it made sense.

• We're planning on making some changes to the camera sweep on system entry for sure.
• There is also some more work to being done on optimizing the system loading, which should help the stutter in the jump tunnel.
• Also taking a look at wormholes and bridges.

He's not talking about the effect where the camera lines up with the exit gate when you start a jump. He's talking about the big camera sweep once you've landed in the new system, where the camera pans around to show the stargate you just entered through. That part is a bit annoying after 15-20 jumps.

Was it too difficult to read the post I wrote just above yours? Re read what CCP has actually said they will do and how it differs from you just wrote.


Highlighted it in bold there for you just in case you fail at reading again. ^

I'd like to say i love the new effect / animation, overall. Yet there is 1 tiny/serious problem.
Before you enter the stargate warp tunnel the camera is automatically moved/animated. When you arrive in the new solar system, the camera is automatically moved.

I'm one of those users who turns off camera shake. The intial version of TiDi on sisi made me very ill.

The automated movement of the camera before using the gate & on landing in a new solar system likewise makes me feel very dizzy and uncomfortable. Please provide an option to turn it off.

Otherwise? The warp tunnel is awesome. The new gate energy effects? Fantastic. FPS Performance? Perfect.

Running to the porcelan alter to lose my lunch? Not so fun :/


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actually the warp tunnel already makes me feel sick

Howdy all.

Also with the new sisi build, you should get the new jump transitions. Yes I know they look cool and all, but there has been a LOT of under the hood work done, and we need to know if anything "hinky" is going on when you are changing systems. Things not loading properly, bugs in UI etc. Anything unusual that can be attributed to how the client is handling you changing systems :)

Ok, first off I like the idea, but current implementation have a few issues:

1) Dont hide chat etc. Its annoying.
2) Make it a cinematic cut like you see in games like x-com. Drop the camera transition, and just cut to the angle behind the gate, and cut back to original angle/zoom when transition is done. This will actually be less confusing/sickness enducing for the player than the current fluid transition.

Keep up the nice work.

Something I had considered before was moving the warp-to point for stargates from being the center of the gate to being a point in front of the gate. This way instead of ending up basically anywhere and needing the initial wide sweep we currently have, it would be a simple matter of rotating the camera to face the direction we're about to jump.

Everybody warping to the same unobstructed point in space could, of course, cause some problems that might make it a less-than-ideal solution, but it seemed like a reasonable idea when I thought of it.

2) Make it a cinematic cut like you see in games like x-com. Drop the camera transition, and just cut to the angle behind the gate, and cut back to original angle/zoom when transition is done. This will actually be less confusing/sickness enducing for the player than the current fluid transition.

System entry, at the destination - not gate entry in the start system.

LTR.

You want to turn off the optimizations?

But to be serious: you can't turn the new seamless jumpgate transition off. It's kind of integrated into the whole experience now like the fade to black + loading bar used to be.

It's not going to take any more time. If you're worried about your platform not handling the effect, it shouldn't be any more of a gfx resource hog than the warp effect. The real worry here is the cleanup procedures which are going to affect you regardless of what's playing on your monitor.

What I am hearing, and my take on this is, the jump effects are nice but why do you have to tumble our views around on landing? On landing, if I want to turn and face the gate I came in from, that should be up to me... I "should" land in J-cloak facing generally away from the gate I came from... PLEASE stop the maddening Ship Spin Cycle thing on landing!

And, TBH, I am very not enamored of the Caldari (?) gate that you spin round to the back of then get hammered THROUGH a glass/metal cover at the ass end of the damn thing... the open-ended gates are far preferable visually... But this all goes back to my deep seated hatred of warping THROUGH stations and moons and effin planets... which is just downright stoopid... =\

Disappointing to be honest. I had a feeling this really nice jump animation would be dumbed down for all the wet blankets complaining of motion sickness. As a medical professional even said on another thread, it is almost impossible to get motion sickness from the camera panning like that.

Kind of sad this cool animation is being nerfed already. :(

Hmm didnt know Caldari gates had closed ends on them, I though this was only on gallente gates?

I agree perhaps the exit camera could improve by transitioning to where it last was before the jump effect. But due to all the whining CCP are now nerfing the entry effect which is one of the most awesome parts of the animation.

Huh, so when my wife played Decent with me and got motion sick and threw up, she was lying?

Fat damn lot YOU (and your supposed Dr) know... Of ALL the posts here you are like mebbe one of 3 who like it just the way it is. Glad you do, the vast majority of us DON'T. And that is what this forum is for, problems and resolutions... you know, feedback.

The camera zoom & pan should be optional, the hub fade out should be optional.

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For those of you who are having motion sickness issues, its probably from the end of the effect when your cam swing back around to the gate. Ehh I for one could do with out that; however, the one starting the effect, Ive found that I don't notice the effect much if I focus on a stationary object like the gate itself. If you focus on the gate and allow the cam to 'swing' or arc around, it is kinda similar to just orbiting a gate over and over.

I know there will never be an option to completely disable the effect, im glad in that case; however, I think an option to disable the tracking cam so that you can just do like a cam cut like you would by looking at an object would help. However, leave the swivel effect in as a default because I really like it.

The thing is, a small vocal minority dislike it and come to complain viciously about it on this thread, but the vast majority like me and yourself will love it, but most of them don't come on the forums to congratulate CCP.

Perhaps tweak the stargate exit camera swivel, but that is more for practical reasons and you dont want to have to keep constantly zooming your camera out every time you jump through a gate.

Just did some side by side testing, same char, same ship, same gate, on TQ and SiSi.

Jump time: essentially the same, overall.

But instead of hitting Jump, seeing "JUMPING" at bottom of the screen as the gate fires (a few seconds) and then seeing a brief black screen, a too brief to read calibration message, and being in the next system, what we get is....

Hit Jump, camera swings around wildly to line up with the gate, gate fire, you're in a tunnel, the graphics lag and stutter, and then you arrive, but oh wait, more unnecessary camera motion as you land in system.

Really, this is first time I've gotten that motion sickness feeling in 15 years of gaming.... and I'm not the only one. Check the other threads here.

Hard to imagine anything more immersion breaking that taking a 5 minute break to go puke in a toilet.

Need an option to turn parts of this or all of this off.

Thank you.

Oh, lag and stutter? Probably because of my crap graphics card, right? This sad ol' GTX 660 Ti is all I could afford. Sorry.

If you had actually been reading the other forums as you are claiming, you would know CCP has already admitted there is issues with the session changing optimization and even stated that before putting Odyssey on sisi...but who reads that kind of stuff right?

To be honest....there is this notion that this is making people sick. Umm it may be making a few people sick if they have VIMS (Visually Induced Motion Sickness) However, since there has not been an outcry to get rid of the current tracking cam on TQ I am more inclined to believe people are exaggerating this in order to do away with the effect which to me seems almost childish. I really hope CCP isn't taking those comments seriously.

It bewilders me to try to understand how a warp tunnel can do nothing to someone for motion sickness but a hyperspace tunnel and a bit of camera tracking makes you throw up... I mean really?

I agree though, the exiting cam tracking is not needed, but the entry cam swing is very much so to give the entire immersive feel. As a player I want to actually FEEL like I am going through a gate, not sit there and go room to room to room..

[quote=Heimer]It bewilders me to try to understand how a warp tunnel can do nothing to someone for motion sickness but a hyperspace tunnel and a bit of camera tracking makes you throw up... I mean really?

To be honest....there is this notion that this is making people sick. Umm it may be making a few people sick if they have VIMS (Visually Induced Motion Sickness) However, since there has not been an outcry to get rid of the current tracking cam on TQ I am more inclined to believe people are exaggerating this in order to do away with the effect which to me seems almost childish. I really hope CCP isn't taking those comments seriously.

The thing is, some people will literally complain about anything, that's what they do, its like a hobby to them. These are the kind of people that would have probably even complained about something as good as sliced bread.

And also there are some massive exaggerations too. Sorry but I don't believe people who said they threw up because of this effect, your just being ridiculous, and you should feel bad.

Not sure if trolling, station alt that never jumped more than ten jumps in row on Sisi or just plain stupid.
You can feel as special snowflake that eats all raw features with smile on your face without providing any adequate critique, but the majority strongly dislikes post-jump camera tracking and it will go, whether you like it or not.
If post-jump tracking will stay in current state, then CCP will get another forum disaster similar to Inventory UI in the next minute after Odyssey release. You don't need a crystal ball to predict this.

You should feel bad for your lack of empathy. If anything you seem to be the one trolling legitimate feedback that you don't like.

Why not just stick to posting constructive feedback of your own instead of criticizing the feedback of others describing their own subjective experience of the proposed changes?

Please only change that camera movement on gate activation for something else, it's getting real boring and don't feel like game

Wormhole jumping is EXTREMELY weird. You end up focusing on the wormhole ala stargate for like 10 seconds, and then just appear in the other system. No transition at all. Granted a wormhole is different than a stargate but there should either be a loading bar or a transition effect of some sort.

By the way, this is what I was talking about.

stuff

Howdy all.

Also with the new sisi build, you should get the new jump transitions. Yes I know they look cool and all, but there has been a LOT of under the hood work done, and we need to know if anything "hinky" is going on when you are changing systems. Things not loading properly, bugs in UI etc. Anything unusual that can be attributed to how the client is handling you changing systems :)

the tracking cam can be turned off, can this much more annoying jump gate thing be turned off?

Not really liking the new transition, although I thought I would when I initially saw it demonstrated on the Fanfest feed. It's intention was to make changing systems more immersive? For me it has not achieved this, now when changing systems it feels like I am being taken out of game to watch the same repetitive animation again before being thrown back into the game.

I have to say that I have not yet found one thing about this Odyssey release that I am looking forward to.

Most people who do not like change wont like anything about this expansion...I would suggest playing a different game that doesnt change often.

One thing that areally bugs me...

U are zoomed out to 150km, u reach gate and all of a sudden ur up close, jump and focused on the ship on the other side, can we please change this so the ship arrives, jumps at the same zoom distance and arrives at the same zoom distance.


pretty please

First of all, amazing!

Only gripe so far is that the camera zoom of my ship isn't remembered after jumping and is reset every time.

Howdy all.

Also with the new sisi build, you should get the new jump transitions. Yes I know they look cool and all, but there has been a LOT of under the hood work done, and we need to know if anything "hinky" is going on when you are changing systems. Things not loading properly, bugs in UI etc. Anything unusual that can be attributed to how the client is handling you changing systems :)