You are only looking at it from PvE angle.....and using faction mods to calculate a CPU limit. Armor PvP fits tend to be CPU intensive too.

To prevent fphoon from stepping shield tankers toes is easy.

8 4 8 5/5 keep new bonuses.

Will make the ship a strict armor tanker and will open up shield tanking role for Fpest.

If we accept that PVE doesn't matter than the CNR is even more obsolete. Consider a Phoon Fleet vs a CNR:
- Less sig
- Faster
- More EHP
- More missile damage
- More drone flexibility
- More drone damage
- Utility highs

Consider a Phoon Fleet vs a Pest Fleet:
- Less Sig
- Faster
- Very similar EHP
- More damage
- More drone flexibility
- More drone damage
- More utility highs

Shall we go on? ;-)

-Liang

Or we accept that "PvE doesnt matter" and let it be - its not possible to fit such ridiculous gank/no tank in a valid, viable PvP fit on it.

Close Range Phoon Setup.

Domi, Mega and Arma can do this too. Better in fact. Does it make them OP?

Domi, Mega and Arma can do this too. Better in fact. Does it make them OP?

Umm I think you've missed the quote above my post. The fit was linked as response to it, and I don't claim to have invented it in any way :P

/me unsubscribes from thread.

If we accept that PVE doesn't matter than the CNR is even more obsolete. Consider a Phoon Fleet vs a CNR:
- Less sig
- Faster
- More EHP
- More missile damage
- More drone flexibility
- More drone damage
- Utility highs

Consider a Phoon Fleet vs a Pest Fleet:
- Less Sig
- Faster
- Very similar EHP
- More damage
- More drone flexibility
- More drone damage
- More utility highs

Shall we go on? ;-)

-Liang

Tempest is more vertical!!!

Caldary pilots highly need a pirate missile platform to compensate this CNR nerf. Only that will prevents them from whining :)

Seriously.
Now in PVE for every weapon system (except missiles) we have two choices:
1) marauder GÇô more tank/utility, and
2) pirate BS GÇô more dps.
(projectyles - Vargur or Mach, lasers GÇô Paladin or NM, hybrids GÇô Kronos or Vind).
For missiles we have Golem and CNR (not so good as pirate ships but have more dps than T2).

But what caldary will have in Odyssey?
After caldary BS they have to learn marauders for more tank/utility OR forget about all that caldary ships and train matar BS, drones, projectiles for more dpsGǪ Cool story.

In b4:
BUT MISSILES HAZ RATTLESNAKES!

In b4:
BUT MISSILES HAZ RATTLESNAKES!

With CCP turning good t1 ships into faction ships i wouldn't really be surprised to see Rattle turned into new old CNR, and this nerf to CNR was in preparation to it.

Hi,

Most of the new changes, I think, are very good indeed. A change should always be for the better. If so, it will feel logic.


Weapons of war evolve in the same way spices do. If a weapon system becomes inferior, there would be a need to improve it or abandon it totally.
The Raven needed a boost and so did missiles.


However, what I really, don-¦t like about the new changes are when you take away fitting options that where there in the first place. This change doesn't add value to the gameplay. What-¦s the harm in letting Raven pilots fit guns to their ship? The Typhoon pilot-¦s can use a mixed blend of weapons system why can-¦t the guys how fly Ravens?
Name one modern combat ship of today who is relying on, or is equipped with, one type of weapons i.e missiles or guns. There is none.

Speaking of this, why not add a row of slots for defensive weapons on bigger ships. Would be really nice with flak-guns, anti-missile launchers (who uses defender missiles today anyway?!) and gatling guns to tackle the threat that smaller ship and missiles impose.
Warships of today doesn't fire cruise missiles or Harpoon missiles at fighter jets - now do they? It seems stupid to not put at least some defensive weapons on a +3000m warship like the Phoenix.

Don-¦t get me wrong. I think the ships bonuses are quite OK and should guide the fitting in a certain direction, but I can't see any point I stripping away the options of fitting the ships.

So are we not getting more cap for the Navy Mega to offset the increased cap drain from the RoF bonus?

Hi.

So I just EFT'd this and the Megathron absolutely bleeds cap now that the ROF bonus replaced the Damage bonus.

Using T2 Neutons with Null it uses 3.9 Cap/sec MORE than the old Mega and using Void it uses 5 Cap/sec more... That is 34% increased Cap use for 6.25% increase in DPS and a 20% drop in Alpha... Reasonable? I think NOT

I see this as a MASSIVE nerf as it will seriously affect Cap stability. The extra low you gave us now will have to house a Cap Power Relay...

Thanks CCP

Base Cap went up by 175 and regen up by 0.4 Cap/sec

This equates to 219 Cap and 0.6 Cap/sec at All level V which is relevant for the discussion.

Doesnt seem ballanced at all

Quoting from the Gallente BS thread since the cap numbers and drain on both megas are the same:





The point is that the increased cap regen doesn't even begin to make up for the increased cap usage of the guns alone. It's bad enough I can lose the ability to dps when neuted, but I can't even keep my own guns firing while using no other mods? At least lasers get unlimited ammo and better range :P.

Welcome to all Amarr BS's (can we retire the unlimited ammo meme, no one uses T1 crystals).

Maybe you should go read the changelog on : Page 1 .

Yes it gets more cap regen to offset capdrain on weapons.