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InfinitePrelude
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.13 02:28:00 -
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I wish there were more animations like an actual cockpit view and real time docking and un docking and over all making it more realistic and closer to actually living in a real universe but an on off switch would more then likely please the masses I guess. Not everyone wants a space simulator. Each to their own i guess |

Lounstar deVries
Heralds of Vengeance The Nightingales of Hades
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Posted - 2013.06.13 04:53:00 -
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CMD Ishikawa wrote:What kind of spaceship pilots are some of these guys? who can't handle a simple and really awesome jump animation ... lol
when we see an awesome animation let us know this animation is lame! |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4184
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Posted - 2013.06.13 06:22:00 -
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Lounstar deVries wrote:CMD Ishikawa wrote:What kind of spaceship pilots are some of these guys? who can't handle a simple and really awesome jump animation ... lol when we see an awesome animation let us know this animation is lame!
I actually like it but it stutters, it can black out the screen on non high end video cards and it feels like you are taking longer to jump than before. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Savage Angel
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
145
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Posted - 2013.06.13 11:57:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Lounstar deVries wrote:CMD Ishikawa wrote:What kind of spaceship pilots are some of these guys? who can't handle a simple and really awesome jump animation ... lol when we see an awesome animation let us know this animation is lame! I actually like it but it stutters, it can black out the screen on non high end video cards and it feels like you are taking longer to jump than before.
It is a longer jump. Sometimes when changing servers or going into crowded systems the jump is longer, and the tunnel movie runs out. That is when you get the grey screen. Before the load bar could just stay up longer, but the movie is of fixed length.
I also notice it "stutters" on a short jump, because it has to switch back to 3D game view early, and end the movie prematurely. |

xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
144
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Posted - 2013.06.13 12:01:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote: But it also feels like the game itself is 'grabbing' control of my ship and then dumping it back to me. Kind of immersion breaking really.
the gate is doing the jumping so yes it takes control of your ship, so how is it breaking immersion ?
all i can say is wow, a game based in space, where people can't deal with a little motion ?
CCP give them an off button for the effect please, this thread is making me nauseous. |

Maybelater Headache
Republic University Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2013.06.13 12:39:00 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:all i can say is wow, a game based in space, where people can't deal with a little motion ?
CCP give them an off button for the effect please, this thread is making me nauseous.
So better stop reading doing yourself a favour? Thanks anyway for your valuable contribution. :P
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Li Tiger
Deep Space Resources Ltd.
12
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Posted - 2013.06.13 14:59:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Maybelater, I realize you are doing your best to bump this thread as often as possilbe in an attempt to make removal of the new effects seem to be a wide spread demand, but outside of those individuals experiencing disorientation it's simply a matter of taste... and those that don't like it appear to be in the distinct minority. "sigh"... I wish I had the same insight so you seem to have. One day I might be able to afford a crystal ball like yours!
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Maybelater Headache
Republic University Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2013.06.13 15:33:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Maybelater, I realize you are doing your best to bump this thread as often as possilbe in an attempt to make removal of the new effects seem to be a wide spread demand, but outside of those individuals experiencing disorientation it's simply a matter of taste... and those that don't like it appear to be in the distinct minority.
It is more to make it a bit harder for people trying to derail the thread for trolling purposes and / or trying to discredit people by repeating false statements, masquerading assumptions as facts while using a questionable rhetorical tool set; or just insult other players.
Got it?
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4264
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Posted - 2013.06.13 15:43:00 -
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Maybelater Headache wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Maybelater, I realize you are doing your best to bump this thread as often as possilbe in an attempt to make removal of the new effects seem to be a wide spread demand, but outside of those individuals experiencing disorientation it's simply a matter of taste... and those that don't like it appear to be in the distinct minority. It is more to make it a bit harder for people trying to derail the thread for trolling purposes and / or trying to discredit people by repeating false statements, masquerading assumptions as facts while using a questionable rhetorical tool set; or just insult other players. Got it? If by derail you mean keep a clear distinction between important matters (like some people having a valid physical issue with the new effect) seperate from completely trivial matters (like "Waaa, I don't like it so I'm going to bump this thread repeatedly to push my own agenda") then sure, guilty as charged.  To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Ristlin Wakefield
Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
353
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Posted - 2013.06.13 15:47:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:John Lawyer wrote:Ok, I see that CCP does not give a feedback (which is strange). Main question for now - to cancel or not to cancel the subscription? Will wait till the end of month to see how it goes. Do not quit, just stay in the one location and you will not have any issues with the new animation.
Isn't that what the carebears do anyway? :D I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license. |
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Maybelater Headache
Republic University Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:03:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:If by derail you mean keep a clear distinction between important matters (like some people having a valid physical issue with the new effect) seperate from completely trivial matters (like "Waaa, I don't like it so I'm going to bump this thread repeatedly to push my own agenda") then sure, guilty as charged. 
No. Given your Internetz Expertise demonstrated here and there you will be able to do some research in case you don-¦t know what this term means. 
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4264
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:10:00 -
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Maybelater Headache wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:If by derail you mean keep a clear distinction between important matters (like some people having a valid physical issue with the new effect) seperate from completely trivial matters (like "Waaa, I don't like it so I'm going to bump this thread repeatedly to push my own agenda") then sure, guilty as charged.  No. Given your Internetz Expertise demonstrated here and there you will be able to do some research in case you don-¦t know what this term means.  Well, since all I have done is what I stated above... and since your personal efforts are based simply on your personal dislike for the effect (as you have pointed out yourself) I'm not the one in need of a definition check.
I'll give you points for effort and tenacity, but honestly, your skills at attempting to inflame the masses to support your cause need work. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Maybelater Headache
Republic University Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:24:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Maybelater Headache wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:If by derail you mean keep a clear distinction between important matters (like some people having a valid physical issue with the new effect) seperate from completely trivial matters (like "Waaa, I don't like it so I'm going to bump this thread repeatedly to push my own agenda") then sure, guilty as charged.  No. Given your Internetz Expertise demonstrated here and there you will be able to do some research in case you don-¦t know what this term means.  Well, since all I have done is what I stated above... and since your personal efforts are based simply on your personal dislike for the effect (as you have pointed out yourself) I'm not the one in need of a definition check. I'll give you points for effort and tenacity, but honestly, your skills at attempting to inflame the masses to support your cause need work.
Nice try. |

Sister Sophia
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:54:00 -
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Here we still are. Not much has changed. And the same players who found the effects annoying last week still find them annoying today. I'd say the camera swing does a good enough job of imposing itself on people that there's no need for demagoguery or 'inflaming the masses'. 
In much better news: I'd forgotten how good some of William Gibson's stuff is. I recommend it. Lem has his moments too.
I wonder when we'll get an update from the developers. |

xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
145
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:57:00 -
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Maybelater Headache wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:all i can say is wow, a game based in space, where people can't deal with a little motion ?
CCP give them an off button for the effect please, this thread is making me nauseous. So better stop reading doing yourself a favour? Thanks anyway for your valuable contribution. :P
you're very welcome, i always enjoy playing my part in this fine community, my input is give you guys an off button before you all emo rage quit and EVE dies 
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Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
271
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Posted - 2013.06.13 17:00:00 -
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I have not been able to reproduce it, but _once_ I was able to travel the whole length of the star gate warp looking at it from on the side instead of the down the tube approach. Much more pleasant than feeling like going down the drain head first. |

Charlie Jacobson
209
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Posted - 2013.06.13 17:42:00 -
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The animation doesn't make me nauseous or anything, but the automatic camera when you enter is really annoying to me too somehow. |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1265
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Posted - 2013.06.13 17:51:00 -
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Guttripper wrote:I have not been able to reproduce it, but _once_ I was able to travel the whole length of the star gate warp looking at it from on the side instead of the down the tube approach. Much more pleasant than feeling like going down the drain head first.
Your last sentence pretty much describes my EVE career. This is not a signature. |

Mata Hotaki
Garoun Exploration LLC
7
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Posted - 2013.06.13 18:29:00 -
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CCP Sisyphus wrote:Wading into a can of worms I'm sure, but here goes.
We ARE looking at this and considering what we can do. The back end system used by the client has changed which makes a "turn off" not a real proposition. We are looking at ways to reduce the nausea reaction some players are experiencing through other means.
It would be helpful if we got feedback about what in particular during the jump sequence is causing the most difficulty
I am sorry for those adversely affected,.
Thanks for replying in the thread, but... what "can of worms"? It looks perfectly clear. This animation sequence has to be optional.
Let me list the particular difficulties.
1. Camera control is taken over by the client. 2. The camera view executes a nausea-inducing arc-and-abrupt-stop movement (main culprit in motion sickness feeling) 3. The "tunnel" animation and the abrupt stop afterwards add to the nauseous feeling 4. These awful effects make both the CPU and GPU run measurably hotter (4-5 degrees, compared to similar activity in Retribution).
Yes, I am one of the people who get motion-sick from games. I love FPSes, but I avoid playing them because of motion sickness. EVE was one of the games that did not give me motion sickness until this last patch. It goes without saying, I will cancel my 5 accounts if this is not fixed. I love EVE, but I won't be playing it if it makes me feel nauseous.
And to all "apologists" in this thread, especially Ranger 1: if you like the new animation, good for you. Nobody's trying to take it away from you. Just try to convince me how can choice in this matter be a bad thing. We have a choice of whether the camera tracks, whether to use Captain's Quarters, or whether the ships occlude the sun. Jump animations are no different. |

Jimmy Morane
Aurora Novae Aetatis Expoit This Mf's
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Posted - 2013.06.13 18:54:00 -
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Mata Hotaki wrote:CCP Sisyphus wrote:Wading into a can of worms I'm sure, but here goes.
We ARE looking at this and considering what we can do. The back end system used by the client has changed which makes a "turn off" not a real proposition. We are looking at ways to reduce the nausea reaction some players are experiencing through other means.
It would be helpful if we got feedback about what in particular during the jump sequence is causing the most difficulty
I am sorry for those adversely affected,. Thanks for replying in the thread, but... what "can of worms"? It looks perfectly clear. This animation sequence has to be optional. Let me list the particular difficulties. 1. Camera control is taken over by the client. 2. The camera view executes a nausea-inducing arc-and-abrupt-stop movement (main culprit in motion sickness feeling) 3. The "tunnel" animation and the abrupt stop afterwards add to the nauseous feeling 4. These awful effects make both the CPU and GPU run measurably hotter (4-5 degrees, compared to similar activity in Retribution). Yes, I am one of the people who get motion-sick from games. I love FPSes, but I avoid playing them because of motion sickness. EVE was one of the games that did not give me motion sickness until this last patch. It goes without saying, I will cancel my 5 accounts if this is not fixed. I love EVE, but I won't be playing it if it makes me feel nauseous. And to all "apologists" in this thread, especially Ranger 1: if you like the new animation, good for you. Nobody's trying to take it away from you. Just try to convince me how can choice in this matter be a bad thing. We have a choice of whether the camera tracks, whether to use Captain's Quarters, or whether the ships occlude the sun. Jump animations are no different.
To be fair, Ranger did say that he was for ccp remedying the situation for those who become ill from it. |
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Mata Hotaki
Garoun Exploration LLC
7
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:10:00 -
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Jimmy Morane wrote:
To be fair, Ranger did say that he was for ccp remedying the situation for those who become ill from it.
...but not before making several "HTFU weakling u just don't want change" posts. Of course, he was quickly cornered, and had to make a tactical retreat. I bet he (or someone just like him) will still return to this thread. |

CMD Ishikawa
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:11:00 -
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It has to be fast the jump between system is a fast process, and the animation is a hundred times better to what we had before. |

Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
271
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:15:00 -
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CMD Ishikawa wrote:It has to be fast the jump between system is a fast process, and the animation is a hundred times better to what we had before.
Strangely enough, when it used to be just a loading bar, I would be in the other system faster than the new animation offers today. And my computer is low end by today's standards...
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Siresa Talesi
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.06.13 20:43:00 -
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CCP Sisyphus wrote:Wading into a can of worms I'm sure, but here goes.
We ARE looking at this and considering what we can do. The back end system used by the client has changed which makes a "turn off" not a real proposition. We are looking at ways to reduce the nausea reaction some players are experiencing through other means.
It would be helpful if we got feedback about what in particular during the jump sequence is causing the most difficulty
I am sorry for those adversely affected,.
Thanks you so much for your response; it means a lot to know that CCP is looking into this and taking our issues into consideration.
Personally, I have experienced mild nasuea (not so bad that I feel a need to vomit, but enough to make me feel ill and uncomfortable) after viewing the jump animation a few times in sequence. I would say that the wild swinging and repositioning of the camera is only part of the problem; the fast and twisting movement is another factor, as well as the choppy and halting animation (I have yet to see this play smoothly, it always stutters its way through). In order to fix this, you would need to 1)stop taking control of the camera, 2) change the jump animation to straight directional travel and adjust the speed 3) remove or reduce the "cloud" effect so that there are fewer reference points indicating speed to the eye, and 4) reduce resource needs so that the animation plays smoothly.
However, to me, the nasuea is a minor complaint compared to my primary issue. I suffer from migraines, and like epilepsy, migraines can be triggered by certain light effects. The flashing lights and other visual effects in this animation have caused me severe pain. I've experienced similar problems with some flourescent lighting, they flicker at a frequency I am sensitive to. It doesn't happen every time, but often enough that I am very wary of gate jumps, and try to avoid them. Part of the problem is that the headaches don't usually trigger immediately, and often take a little bit of time to set in. So I may go through a few jumps thinking I got past it all right, and then I'll be in agony a short while later. Once there, the migraines last for hours.
Can I look away or open another window? Sure, that's what I try to do. But it is annoying to have to do so, and frankly, not safe, especially if I'm in low or null, as my attention is away for a few moments after the jump.
My personal health issues aside though, I have to say that this animation just seems all around bad. It lags, and seems to induce more system lag. It adds time to gate transitions, making travel even more long and tedious. It's disorienting and immersion breaking; in all of EVE it is the only situation I am aware of where the game is in first person perspective. On its own, it looks great, but after five jumps, the wow factor wears off. After 10 jumps, it is mildy annoying as you begin to resent the time it is taking. After 15-20 jumps, you're sick of seeing it over and over.
If it's true that this animation has been coded in such a way that it is impossible to reverse or turn off, then I have to say that this is truly horrible design, and I have to wonder what you (CCP) were thinking. Especially in light of all the feedback received after this feature hit the test server, why would you ever consider rolling out a change like this without a way to reverse it? It makes me wonder why you even have a test server, if you refuse to listen to the feedback and at least take precautions based on it.
I have a couple of months left on my subscription, so at the very least I will be around until then. I may just be updating skillls mostly, depending on how this plays out. However, if at the end of that time, this animation is still in effect with no option to disable it, then I will have to cancel my account. Not because I want to, and not out of some rage or protest, as I really enjoy this game, but because a purely decorative feature completely independent of the gameplay has made it too physically painful to continue playing. |

Susurrus Synaesthesia
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
1
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Posted - 2013.06.13 20:59:00 -
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Please |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4264
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Posted - 2013.06.13 21:22:00 -
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Mata Hotaki wrote:Jimmy Morane wrote:
To be fair, Ranger did say that he was for ccp remedying the situation for those who become ill from it.
...but not before making several "HTFU weakling u just don't want change" posts. Of course, he was quickly cornered, and had to make a tactical retreat. I bet he (or someone just like him) will still return to this thread. I said:
That there are a small number of people who are actually experiencing discomfort.
These people are those that are extremely suseptible to motion sickness, as the effect isn't over the top compared to many popular games.
That adjustments should be made to the new effect to accomodate them (which incidentally coincide with yours).
That some of the people in this thread (not all) claiming physical distress are actually doing so purely for dramtic effect.
That more than a few people spamming this thread simply prefer the old one, and are using your distress to further their own agenda.
That it is unlikely that an off switch is possible without a costly and time consuming rewrite of some base game mechanics, not that it wasn't good idea (it's just likely impractical at this time). Choice is always good, but not always immediately practical.
That's about as clear as I can make my point of view. While you may not agree with all points, I believe it's a pretty fair and accurate assessment. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Maybelater Headache
Republic University Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2013.06.13 21:46:00 -
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Your "assessments" are anything but accurate, not even worth to discuss considering your constant distortion of facts and baseless assertions. |

Mata Hotaki
Garoun Exploration LLC
7
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Posted - 2013.06.13 21:58:00 -
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OMG.
A "small number of people" with an "agenda" are "blowing the issue out of proportion". Condescending much?
Also, you claim to know EVE code better than the devs. Your poasting is terrible.
That being said, I don't see how the following pseudocode could be "expensive and time-consuming" to implement:
if (show_animation == true) { show_nauseating_animation();
} else { show_progress_bar();
}
It simply isn't hard. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4264
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Posted - 2013.06.13 22:03:00 -
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Mata Hotaki wrote:OMG. A "small number of people" with an "agenda" are "blowing the issue out of proportion". Condescending much? Also, you claim to know EVE code better than the devs. Your poasting is terrible. That being said, I don't see how the following pseudocode could be "expensive and time-consuming" to implement: if (show_animation == true) { show_nauseating_animation(); } else { show_progress_bar(); } It simply isn't hard.
LOL! To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Judaa K'Marr
Zhins Corp Tribal Band
2
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Posted - 2013.06.13 22:56:00 -
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+1 for an option. It's a nice animation, but not when you're jumping with 500 people. |
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