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Orga Azmaat
Minmatar
Xenobytes
Stain Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.31 21:13:00 -
[1381]
Erm.... Who said "the ultimate close-range blaster cruiser" ? Can you fix deimos? please.
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Teeth
Minmatar
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.31 21:14:00 -
[1382]
Good GOD let there be some light on this ship. It's been said over and over... yet I still see nothing in the way of getting it fixed. It would be nice to at least get a "we'll look into this or kiss our butts". Anyway another vote in the way of 'PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO SOMETHING WITH THIS SHIP!
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ArmyOfMe
Exotic Dancers Club
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Posted - 2007.07.31 21:15:00 -
[1383]
now that they are looking into it i guess all we need to do is wait and hope
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lyrenna
Caldari
The Renaissance
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Posted - 2007.07.31 21:43:00 -
[1384]
signed, its realy need a fix even 4th med or/and some little powergrind, some agilty mass love, deimos needs love, give what he deserve.
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when you armor tank a raven god kills a kitten.
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Taguchi Hiroko
Xoth Inc
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.31 23:14:00 -
[1385]
Edited by: Taguchi Hiroko on 31/07/2007 23:17:08
Edited by: Taguchi Hiroko on 31/07/2007 23:15:12
 Originally by: un5een
from deimos discription:
Sharing more tactical elements with smaller vessels than with its size-class counterparts, the Deimos represents the final word in up-close-and-personal cruiser combat. Venture too close to this one, and swift death is your only guarantee.
i dont see tactical elements and i dont see a final word besides getting killed :-/
Perhaps the "tactical element" it shares with smaller ships is its ability to get killed easily, the "final word" is the `ah crap' it gets out before it fires its first volley as it finally gets "too close" to the target. 
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twit brent
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.08.01 02:03:00 -
[1386]
Edited by: twit brent on 01/08/2007 02:06:42
I dont know which dev decided to make it do less than 25% more dmg than the thorax (and thats at HAC V) and also make it slower and fatter, but i realy want to slap them in the face.
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oniplE
NED-Clan
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.08.01 13:43:00 -
[1387]
Apart from the obvious speed increase, it also needs more cpu and/or grid.
I did some math and compared all the hacs to eachother (excluding ishtar due to the fact that its main weapons do not use cpu or grid), and their T1 counterparts to see how much extra gid and cpu they all get extra. (percentage wise)
Deimos has the 2nd worst increase in CPU
Deimos has the 3rd worst increase in grid (2nd worst atm, 3rd worst after Khanid MKII)
Deimos has the worst average increase in CPU/grid
Here are the numbers:
Deimos gets 15.9% more powergrid than the thorax.
The average PG increase of T1 to HAC is: 23.1%
Deimos gets 16.7% more CPU than the thorax.
The average CPU increase of T1 to HAC is: 24.8%
"So what, just a couple percent?"
It looks like just a little bit, but if you look at the % of increase you will see its not:
Deimos gets 32.2% less PG increase than the average HAC
Deimos gets 32.6% less CPU increase than the average HAC
Why does the Deimos get so little extra grid and cpu? Is it because the blasters are much more fitting friendly than the other weaponsystems? No they are not, they're actually one of the least fitting friendly weapons for HAC's. (Only 250mm Railgun II's on an Eagle are worse)
I can understand the small increase in CPU on the Deimos, but the powergrid increase is just sad for weapons that require a lot of powergrid.
I suggest giving the Deimos atleast 990 powergrid and 360 CPU. This will bring it closer to the other HAC's, but still under the average increase.
Another possibility is to add a -5% per level PG consumption for MWD's next to the MWD cap bonus. This will push the Deimos even more into a blaster role and will also result in an effective powergrid increase.
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ArmyOfMe
Exotic Dancers Club
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Posted - 2007.08.01 14:43:00 -
[1388]
tbh i can live without any buff to the grid and cpu of the deimos as long as speed/agility gets a boost.
the deimos has pretty sick dps for a hac, so giving a boost to grid/cpu so we can fit neutrons would make it to powerful imo.
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oniplE
NED-Clan
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.08.01 16:03:00 -
[1389]
Edited by: oniplE on 01/08/2007 16:03:18
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
tbh i can live without any buff to the grid and cpu of the deimos as long as speed/agility gets a boost.
the deimos has pretty sick dps for a hac, so giving a boost to grid/cpu so we can fit neutrons would make it to powerful imo.
You can fit neutrons right now, 5 neutrons and a t1 MWD will leave you with 83.5 powergrid if you have AWU 5. If you add an extra 40 (50 with engineering 5) powergrid, it still cant fit a medium repper and the tank will still be weak. It will still have to trade in its tank to do the maximum amount of damage.
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Vaygrr
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Posted - 2007.08.02 01:29:00 -
[1390]
/signed.
Two options:
1. more grid & agility;
2. more agility, strip the 6th low and add a med.
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Angus Torg
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Posted - 2007.08.02 14:08:00 -
[1391]
/signed once again.
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LUH 3471
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Posted - 2007.08.02 14:33:00 -
[1392]
/signed
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.08.02 17:15:00 -
[1393]
Edited by: Goumindong on 02/08/2007 17:16:31
Originally by: twit brent
Edited by: twit brent on 01/08/2007 02:06:42
I dont know which dev decided to make it do less than 25% more dmg than the thorax (and thats at HAC V) and also make it slower and fatter, but i realy want to slap them in the face.
All HACS only get 25% gun dps than their cruiser counterpart except the Ishtar, Sacriledge[current], and Vagabond[which get 25% more than the Rupture]
Also, The deimos has a speed boost to 205m/s and mass reduction to 11m kg on sisi.
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Hailstorm
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.08.02 18:16:00 -
[1394]
Confirmed on sisi;
Base speed 205 m/s
Mass 11m kg.
Also, pg bumped up from 950 to 990.
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oniplE
NED-Clan
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.08.02 18:19:00 -
[1395]
Edited by: oniplE on 02/08/2007 18:20:21
Originally by: Goumindong
Edited by: Goumindong on 02/08/2007 17:16:31
Originally by: twit brent
Edited by: twit brent on 01/08/2007 02:06:42
I dont know which dev decided to make it do less than 25% more dmg than the thorax (and thats at HAC V) and also make it slower and fatter, but i realy want to slap them in the face.
All HACS only get 25% gun dps than their cruiser counterpart except the Ishtar, Sacriledge[current], and Vagabond[which get 25% more than the Rupture]
Also, The deimos has a speed boost to 205m/s and mass reduction to 11m kg on sisi.
It also has 990 powergrid ^^
Awesome development, lets hope it will make its way to TQ soon enough :)
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Spoony Brook
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.08.02 18:29:00 -
[1396]
Edited by: Spoony Brook on 02/08/2007 18:30:09
 Originally by: oniplE
Edited by: oniplE on 02/08/2007 18:20:21
Originally by: Goumindong
Edited by: Goumindong on 02/08/2007 17:16:31
Originally by: twit brent
Edited by: twit brent on 01/08/2007 02:06:42
I dont know which dev decided to make it do less than 25% more dmg than the thorax (and thats at HAC V) and also make it slower and fatter, but i realy want to slap them in the face.
All HACS only get 25% gun dps than their cruiser counterpart except the Ishtar, Sacriledge[current], and Vagabond[which get 25% more than the Rupture]
Also, The deimos has a speed boost to 205m/s and mass reduction to 11m kg on sisi.
It also has 990 powergrid ^^
Awesome development, lets hope it will make its way to TQ soon enough :)
they actually listened? 
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Ihar Enda
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.02 18:35:00 -
[1397]
Edited by: Ihar Enda on 02/08/2007 18:35:58
Originally by: Hailstorm
Confirmed on sisi;
Base speed 205 m/s
Mass 11m kg.
Also, pg bumped up from 950 to 990.
Holy crap.
Now only change 1 high into a med slot (yeah I know I'm getting greedy ).
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Grytok
German Kings
OPUS Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 19:56:00 -
[1398]
Originally by: Hailstorm
Confirmed on sisi;
Base speed 205 m/s
Mass 11m kg.
Also, pg bumped up from 950 to 990.
\o/
I could've lived without the plus of powergrid, but I'll take it 
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Segmentor
Ultraviolent.
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Posted - 2007.08.02 20:01:00 -
[1399]
Well whew, it only took them 47 pages to realize that we actually mean it!
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ArmyOfMe
Exotic Dancers Club
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Posted - 2007.08.02 20:22:00 -
[1400]
Originally by: Segmentor
Well whew, it only took them 47 pages to realize that we actually mean it!
now imagine how much faster this would have gone if we had just talked to the devs on sisi sooner rather then just whine on the forums 
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Plave Okice
Naughty 40
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.02 20:30:00 -
[1401]
Please, please, please let this happen
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Plave Okice
Naughty 40
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.02 21:13:00 -
[1402]
Quick play
Sure is faster :D
It's not going to be a new Vaga, but it gives us a ship it always should have been.
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Grytok
German Kings
OPUS Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 21:36:00 -
[1403]
What speed you get, when you fit standard-lows?
I would'nt go without a tank tho 
P.S.: I'm too lazy to go on SiSi myself atm 
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Akiman
Gallente
Omega Enterprises
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.08.02 21:40:00 -
[1404]
YYYEESSSS!!!1one! tho...whats with the pg...990...how bout 999.9 lol
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Plave Okice
Naughty 40
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.02 21:44:00 -
[1405]
Originally by: Grytok
What speed you get, when you fit standard-lows?
I would'nt go without a tank tho
I doubt I would either, I was just playing around, not a seriously proposed setup
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Kai Lae
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.02 22:24:00 -
[1406]
Ok what do we have to do to get the utility high moved to a mid (aka, who does the bribery money go to).
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twit brent
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.08.02 22:24:00 -
[1407]
Originally by: Goumindong
Edited by: Goumindong on 02/08/2007 17:16:31
Originally by: twit brent
Edited by: twit brent on 01/08/2007 02:06:42
I dont know which dev decided to make it do less than 25% more dmg than the thorax (and thats at HAC V) and also make it slower and fatter, but i realy want to slap them in the face.
All HACS only get 25% gun dps than their cruiser counterpart except the Ishtar, Sacriledge[current], and Vagabond[which get 25% more than the Rupture]
Also, The deimos has a speed boost to 205m/s and mass reduction to 11m kg on sisi.
Yeah a fir chunk of thoraxes DPS comes from its drones so overall its less than a 25% DPS boost.
But anyway wooohoo for changes and its about damn time.
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Dash Ripcock
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.08.03 00:14:00 -
[1408]
Edited by: Dash Ripcock on 03/08/2007 00:17:47
One year and nine months later, it finally looks like the ship we were after. Thank you CCP, now I have something to run around in apart from my Astarte.
Bring on the Deimos baby...
P.S. Anyone have spares?
Outbreak - The Movie
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CherniyVolk
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Posted - 2007.08.03 02:01:00 -
[1409]
I CAN'T WAIT!!!!
To launch eve, and it tell me my build is out of date and I need to download the latest patch... Oh man, I wish it would happen tonight.
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Lord MuffloN
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.08.03 02:05:00 -
[1410]
I first bought 1, then 2 more, then 2 more again, because seriously, there's gonna be a price gauge on these now :P
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