I do it for the isk and loot personally so YMMV.

Ok second mission, Dread Pirate Scarlet mwahaha! (I fubared it and didn't kill her in the 3rd room :( )

So same fit as last one actually (Identical)
Room 1: Serps
Room 2: Gurista
Room 3: Serp
Room 4: Angle + Serp

Full clear, full salvage: 37min
Isk + Loot + Salvage: 52 182 126 (I missed out on 5mill bounty and a potential implant)
LP: 6888
Rounds used: 1.5k Phased 164 Fusion, all faction so around 1.7mill

The MJD was amazing in the last room (Landed at 0 on the serp spawn point lol) and I even managed to land a perfect 2 jump onto the gate in room 2 and 3.

Also interesting thing! If a gate is 70km away, you will most likely land within 5km of it aiming straight for it because gates have such huge hitboxes. So really when it comes to gates a gate can be anywhere from 75km-125km away and you will land on 0km.

Yea... I think I made my point but I can do more if you guys want :)

Common guys, the topic has changed.

We're on the new tractor structure now, lol...

the only point you have made is that u are able to complete missions in a vargur. Gratz? What point r u trying to make exactly?

Don't need it lol. 3 tractor 2s and 5 salavge dornes, even at lv 4 is more than you will ever need.

Just shoving my foot up every doomsayer's ass is all.

Just shoving my foot up every doomsayer's ass is all.

Just shoving my foot up every doomsayer's ass is all.

Quick vargur summary for 4s
Rubicon vargur bastion fit great for high jam/damp

Rubicon vargur mjd bonus good for rare instances that require a jump more than once every 3 mins but could not otherwise be done with another form of prop.

A tq fit Rubicon vargur is better outside of these 2 instances because of mobility and stacking penalties

Though the runiation of the armour Marauders in Incursions with these changes is well-documented, it will be quite interesting to see how CCP deals with the cries out outrage when this ship class nerf hits all the mission-runners who don't read the forums.

Frankly, given CCP's hatred of its own high sec customer base, not much will happen. and they will ignore the inevitable many many post Nov 19th threads complaining how the ship class was wrecked.

And the vast majority of people still have not clued in how badly nerfed all BS based income is with the warp speed nerf.

- Only need T2 fit so 1) no more bling on your ship so it's cheaper and 2) No danger of random ganking to get at your shinies
- Adaptable: A lot more tracking OR Range means I can match or exceed TQ vargur damage application without moving an inch or worrying about transversal
- I can still fit a MWD or AB and only be marginally slower but with MJD it really isn't nessesary. Remember you can target and shoot WHILE MJD so I don't lose any damage dealing while doing the 1min 2 hop jump to get at a gate 30km away.

Hahaha You missed so much
- Only need T2 fit so 1) no more bling on your ship so it's cheaper and 2) No danger of random ganking to get at your shinies
- Adaptable: A lot more tracking OR Range means I can match or exceed TQ vargur damage application without moving an inch or worrying about transversal
- I can still fit a MWD or AB and only be marginally slower but with MJD it really isn't nessesary. Remember you can target and shoot WHILE MJD so I don't lose any damage dealing while doing the 1min 2 hop jump to get at a gate 30km away.

Face it, the nerfs are so minor and the flexibility and advantages so great that the Rubicon Marauder is just plain better in every situation except where a pirate battleships is ALREADY better than the TQ vargur.

And this is with the VARGUR, arguably the weakest marauder. That is why I'm training for a paladin as that will beat the vargur plenty in amarr, gurista and serp space. Vargur will have the upper hand in angle space, probably but not sure if the golem will beat it there. Kronos will rock in serp and gurista space.

One more thought: It doesn't ahve to be EITHER MWD OR MJD. You cna have both and use both in the same mission where applicable. It's this ADDED utility that makes it stand above the TQ marauders.

There is simply no point in this post other than paper numbers. I'm an all-time Vargur pilot. I simply disregard this post.
Telling "Rubicon Marauder is just plain better in every situation " is as same as telling you've not been playing Vargur in TQ for some time. If you've been playing with this ship long enough, you'd see there is no point telling any of the nerfs aren't worth that much.

At this point I'd like to ask these three most simple questions to you:
- (Point of little/no difference) Exactly what benefit you get for missioning (properly, including salvaging) in Rubicon Vargur against TQ Vargur, from the perspective of both ISK/hr and enjoyment?
- (Point of nothing new) What is different from playing Sentry Dominix, with the proposed Vargur? Enemy ewar won't land you properly when you're 100km away anyway.
- (Point of enjoyment) What makes you so happy with the Rubicon Marauder? Sniping? Or Sitting and bashing?

Oh man...
GÇó The "bling" is in the ship itself, ie: the $1-billion hull, skill books, training, etc. I can build "bling" a Raven for less than the sticker price of a Golem.
GÇó Marginally slower? When a Scorpion starts lapping your Golem that's usually a subtle hint.
GÇó Tracking or range... You mean the the 3rd rig slot T1 or Faction battleship hulls have? Or the extra low or mid slot for a wide assortment of options?

[Vargur, Tech2 copy 1]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
X-Large Shield Booster II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Target Painter II
Large Micro Jump Drive

1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
Drone Link Augmentor II
Salvager II
Small Tractor Beam II

Large Projectile Burst Aerator II
Large Ionic Field Projector I

Warrior II x5
Bouncer II x2


Tell me where i got an extra in this fitting. Everything i told was already with bastion. thanks for your senseless post.


You made me a bit angry, i have to admit. Everything follows the same mechanics in eve. why not even try to put bastion to similar effects like other modules. Optimal bonus always leads to identical increase in applied damage, while fall-off bonus only increases damage on a ship specific scale.

now this fit right here is terrible. No wonder people have turned to ganking mission runners you barely have to spend any money to blow this thing out of space and take his stuff

What stuff exactly? The 4 fleet gyros (He shoudl be running 3 faction and a T2 really) You're saying you are going to scan him down in his mission and gank him with a couple of tornados where IF ALL 3-4 gyros drop you WONT EVEN BREAK EVEN?

Are you serious? Hahahahaha.

But yea, I don't think arty vargur is the way to go honestly. AC's are fine.

lol why the heck would i use a tornado? few catalysts work just fine

Aaactually since I run two T2 range rigs + Bastion + the extra TC I'm ahead by at least 2 range increasing modules. Not to mention the extra versatility and adaptability (0.13 tracking for hitting those blaster serps and angle battleships, 82km range for hitting stuff that stays out at range)

Since most everything will still be alive by the time you get to the gate what does it matter if you're a tiny bit slower at getting to it? Also I can get to any gate within 200km in a minute (9sec if it's 75-100km away)

And heres the thing about "bling" and what I meant. A pirate BS is still a lot of money, a RNI is still a lot fo isk. but these need 500mill+ in bling. That makes a very juicy target. I pay the same but I don't need 500mill+ in modules to make the vargur work meaning all a ganker is going to get when he kills me is 10mill in T2 modules. Hence I am safe from gankers looking for isk while you are not :D

A few catalysts?

What the strontium are you smoking?

No seriously are you on some kind of mind altering drug?

You realise that not ONLY can he rep 400+ RAW SHIELD HP per SECOND but he has 66% thermal and 71% kin resist on shields with over 10k shield buffer not to mention similar resists on armor with another 9k+ armor hp AAAAND 30% omni hull resists.

And you want to kill that with a couple of catas?

IN HIGH SEC?

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Just so you can see some numbers, you'd need 3 catas just to break the tank. Then you'd need to chew through 60k+ EHP. I figure you'd need around.... 20 or so catas given 15 seconds of free firing. 30 for 10 seconds of free firing.

Hahaha You missed so much
- Only need T2 fit so 1) no more bling on your ship so it's cheaper and 2) No danger of random ganking to get at your shinies

- Adaptable: A lot more tracking OR Range means I can match or exceed TQ vargur damage application without moving an inch or worrying about transversal

- I can still fit a MWD or AB and only be marginally slower but with MJD it really isn't nessesary. Remember you can target and shoot WHILE MJD so I don't lose any damage dealing while doing the 1min 2 hop jump to get at a gate 30km away.

Face it, the nerfs are so minor and the flexibility and advantages so great that the Rubicon Marauder is just plain better in every situation except where a pirate battleships is ALREADY better than the TQ vargur.

And this is with the VARGUR, arguably the weakest marauder. That is why I'm training for a paladin as that will beat the vargur plenty in amarr, gurista and serp space. Vargur will have the upper hand in angle space, probably but not sure if the golem will beat it there. Kronos will rock in serp and gurista space.

One more thought: It doesn't ahve to be EITHER MWD OR MJD. You cna have both and use both in the same mission where applicable. It's this ADDED utility that makes it stand above the TQ marauders.

i just chose a destroyer you numbskull. The Minmitar one would work just fin as well. And with that tank it would be easy to just have a cloaky warp in and go in when his shields with be at their lowest from the ratts considering that won't be hard with those resists. you obviously know nothing.

Take it to low-sec to duel it out already guys...
.....

Totally off-topic question... With Bastion, have we just seen the end of non-Covert travel into low-sec? How would you possibly break a gate camp with even one of these things sitting off the gate?

Anize Oramara

You have yet to post numbers for TQ why are you responding to anything else without them?

You have yet to demonstrate the validity of anything you are saying.

@Anize Oramara

I mean "A" dessie as in i picked one at random you prick. And you use the cloaky to wait for the biggest spawn in the mission then you jump him because the rats do play a factor. Not sure why in your mind they don't. Then again idiots like yourself apparently don't think of all factors.

And I'm not sure why you think I'm only talking about this ship. i simply stated those fits are why people kill expensive ships in general but then again you seem to not be able to read very well

When it comes to gate camps, I wouldn't be worried about a bs with a slow lock time.
What I would be worried about are tier 3 BCs and insta scram ships.

yes a couple of taloses might be able to do it but at around 70 - 80 mill each you will not be makimg any isk because there wont be enough bling since its over tanked with t2 equipment.
nor would t2 salvage even remotely cover your costs.