Blaster kronos will track npc frigs all the way down to 10km

Blaster kronos or rail kronos then?

Can get about 60km max range with my setup on blasters.

do u reckon that will be enough?

Gets about 1,100 with long range ammo 1400dps uo to 30km

Blaster kronos or rail kronos then?

Can get about 60km max range with my setup on blasters.

do u reckon that will be enough?

Gets about 1,100 with long range ammo 1400dps uo to 30km

I [....] will never do PvP in a Marauder in low or nullsec. And i will never activate bastion within our High Sec wars. So for me a Marauder is stuck with PvE and the cruise golem is still one of the best.

Shhhh! There are angry Vargur pilots around here, who're about to loose this ability at some degree in Rubicon.

M1k3y Koontz is the kind of person who is clueless about eve - missiles are childs play. Totally clueless.

Yes - was seething at one point about the Vargur, now just sad resignation. I lose a PVE ship and gain a wholly bizarre PVP ship. One that will sit and wait to die.

Humph.

the vargur is not a bad ship, just bad compare to the other marauder. it is still way better than many other BS.

Perhaps this is because I can't actually fly a Vargur on TQ, but I will say that on SiSi I rather like the Vargur - both in AB-powered and Bastion-powered modes - and look forward to flying the hell out of it.

In Rust We Trust.Gäó

Would have liked marauders to be more central for incursions. and so...

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Let group buffs to persist while in bastion mode( for mmo sake ), and change the rep boost bonus to all rep boosts received self and fleet.

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So even if we do less damage than some ships, we tank better and are less of a burden on our fleet.

Curious remark because in my carebearish imagination I would actually consider going into PVP with those new Marauders. Would I die? Most probably. The common knowledge is that PVP ship should be written off at the moment it's undocked. But I'd expect to have at least a chance to have a few moment of action when I'm a force to be reckoned with.

Let me point you to:

Vargur was the marauder that lost MOST speed.

Vargur was the marauder that reduced the LEAST its signature radius.

Vargur is the marauder that gained LEAST range from bastion.

Vargur is the Maraurder that has highest difficulties on fighting at 100 km ( MJD).

the vargur is not a bad ship, just bad compare to the other marauder.

Let me point you to:

Vargur was the marauder that lost MOST speed.

Vargur was the marauder that reduced the LEAST its signature radius.

Vargur is the marauder that gained LEAST range from bastion.

Vargur is the Maraurder that has highest difficulties on fighting at 100 km ( MJD).

Let me point to you that before rebalancing Vargur was the best marauder. It's others which were brought more to the line so yes, in comparison it may not be as awesome as it used to be.

Mega crap. Have you seen Vargurs in Incursions? I havn't. And now all other marauders might be gone too. Vargurs were the best marauder when applying damage through moving towards the npcs. Thats reduced now too.

My winner now is cruise golem as the easiest to handle T2 BS. Vargur is still good, but this has nothing to do with anything correlated to the bastion module itself. I, for myself, think my style of playing the vargur and keeping the ticks high has been nerfed.

Not once and not twice I have agreed that marauders got shafted incursions wise. Maybe players will adapt or maybe it will be impossible, I don't judge on that. The upside is that basically every other activity got boosted. I can vouch for L4 missions and there were people reporting good results with other stuff.

Going back to Vargur. The falloff bonus is still there, the tracking bonus is still there. Speed is lowered, okay, but I'm still waiting for anyone reporting HOW MUCH lower income they now generate. Could it be you?

at risk of being flamed

when did they put the 30% resists back in? i thought that went?

Not once and not twice I have agreed that marauders got shafted incursions wise. Maybe players will adapt or maybe it will be impossible, I don't judge on that. The upside is that basically every other activity got boosted. I can vouch for L4 missions and there were people reporting good results with other stuff.

Going back to Vargur. The falloff bonus is still there, the tracking bonus is still there. Speed is lowered, okay, but I'm still waiting for anyone reporting HOW MUCH lower income they now generate. Could it be you?

I will maintain the ticks in minmatar space with my old fitting, but i will lose a lot of isks compared to all other marauders atm you want to utilize the advantages of bastion in e-war rich areas.

And one day I will fly a Titan. The question is, do we know it or we're merely speculating? Or, to stay on topic, did you measure your performance in any way?

If no then the discussion pretty much ends to me. Except for maybe asking, more or less politely, how the hell do you know something you don't measure.

If yes, then there would follow two another questions:

- What are your results?

- How did you measure it? What were conditions, what were you looking at or after and in case our results were dramatically different, briefly describe how did you fly your ship.

This second question is specifically tailored to avoid whole the thing becoming e-peen comparison. I want to compare notes.

Anyway the case is moot since after today's DT we won't have old marauders anymore so everyone will happily stick to their already set convictions.

To the rest of your comments.:
- I don't share your sentiment that devs were sitting in their ivory tower when working on this. There were three updates after all and unless I am mistaken, they were based also on feedback in this very thread.
- Yes, the MJD can't replace other prop module and we have to deal with it.
- I admit I don't have it properly theorycrafted but it's a simple observation: sometimes moving 4km towards your present target moves you 4km away from the next one in queue. So it's not always as simple as just dogchasing.
- After experience trying them on Machariel, I have no idea where arties could be useful in PVE on falloff bonused hull and I accept it as a fact. But I'm open to suggestions.

Hundreds of pages ago, when they decided that Marauder Rebalance v2 was terrible.

we are talking about pve here. sig radius is useless especially when bastion is turn on. , speed while useful wont make a big difference to overall mission time. on the plus side they made all marauders more agile so it should help gun boats outside of bastion to reduce transverse more. IMO, vargur is pretty much the same as the old vargur. if you like the tq vargur you will like the new vargur. with the mobile depot, you can switch to artillery for 100km fights.

What I've found works great in almost all missions with the new bastion is to purposefully kill the triggers first. what this does is it gets everything spawned faster meaning esp in angels the rats are closer to you faster meaning you do more damage.

also in my honest opinion if you are NOT salvaging and looting while running the mission then what in the hell are you doing in a marauder in the first place? you are quite literally doing it wrong.

And the new tractor beam structure? it improves all marauders efficiency (long range like pally a bit more perhaps) by quite a bit. also dont forgetbthe mobile depo.

.. some nice analysis ...

Arty vargur was a disgrace. it took me so much longer that i didn't flew extra pocket. So much clicking. All guns ungrouped + Targetpainter (yes i know it is unusual but it works much better than a third tc) makes 5 things to switch on and off. terrible.

.. some revealing conclusions ...

So in the end:

If i leave minmatar space to fly in areas where e-war is more common i need to use bastion more often which will translate into less isk/hour.