To be completely honest, I don't kill freighters in highsec for the profit, I do it so people will create terrible threads like this.

Yeah they need to be able to fit a tank. Give them fitting abilty. Its pretty stupid an orca can be fit to have 3 times the HP of a freighter.

You'll get a lot of idiots coming into this thread saying theres no problem but they make a living off ganking freighters so theyre biased. You'll also get people who are fanboys of the latter but neither will have a reasonable or sustainable argument so likely you'll get flamed.

I don't gank nor use freighters and its clear to me that when freighters were introduced without fitting it took a sizeable battleship force to kill one. Things have changed a lot and freighters need a rethink.

One might rightly question what the hold of a freighter is supposed be filled with when they're still profitable to gank carrying nothing but trit

who said you have to fill a freighter before you undock? you don't have to fill all 900k m3+ of a charon's cargo before it will let you out of the station.

guys ccp is giving me suspect flags for legal aggression, yes it's happening, no i won't give any proof, all goons are filthy liars, CCP HELP ME NOW!!!!!

guys ccp is giving me suspect flags for legal aggression, yes it's happening, no i won't give any proof, all goons are filthy liars, CCP HELP ME NOW!!!!!

One might rightly question what the hold of a freighter is supposed be filled with when they're still profitable to gank loaded with trit.

The point was that the cargo hold shouldn't be so big if there's nothing you can intelligently fill it with.

The point was that the cargo hold shouldn't be so big if there's nothing you can intelligently fill it with.

If CCP gave freighters the ability to fit a tank, people would fit cargohold expanders instead. This would also mean freighters base cargohold would have to be heavily nerfed to account for that. In the end, the only viable fitting option would be to fit cargohold mods. For anything else you would just use an Orca.

And your real world example anyone who tries to hijack a tanker has a very real chance of being pod killed permanently. If they ad that to the game would be cool.

Since its already foolish to fill a freighter to capacity those foolish enough to fit expanders making them even easier to gank and then filling the expanded space with more loot would find themselves in pods very quickly.

And your real world example anyone who tries to hijack a tanker has a very real chance of being pod killed permanently. If they ad that to the game would be cool.

Why would you carry nothing but trit anyway-Oh nevermind highsec people.

Station egg's & iHubs come to mind.

Not sure where you think Megathrons come from.

So basically, because people are dumb we should remove freighters from the game?

You best be trolling.

If their original design has been invalidated by balance drift, the more reasonable thing to do would presumably be to address their balancing.

You could nerf t1 fit destroyer dps, give freighters more ehp, give freighters less cargo, make freighters less easy to hold with bumping, ect.

If their original design has been invalidated by balance drift, the more reasonable thing to do would presumably be to address their balancing.

You could nerf t1 fit destroyer dps, give freighters more ehp, give freighters less cargo, make freighters less easy to hold with bumping, ect.

One destroyer cannot kill a freighter in hi sec unless you are at war or it otherwise legal combat it requires coordination of multiple assets which means there is profit to be made doing it

A frigate with double webs will help you get into warp that much faster reducing the risk or bumping and if you warp to zero and jump immediately it is very hard to get caught on the gates repeat for each jump.

I fly freighters and this is the way I do things, I fly with a double web Daredevil piloted by a friend not an alt he double webs me to help me get into warp quicker, plus I don't fly with a cargo value so high that I am attractive to gankers.

But if for some reason I need to move lots of more expensive things I bring more friends to scout ahead, twin logi and a heavy fast battleship.

Not sure where you think Megathrons come from.

You could nerf t1 fit destroyer dps, give freighters more ehp, give freighters less cargo, make freighters less easy to hold with bumping, ect.

The issue is that a 1.5m ship can do a stupid amount of dps, tipping the cost equation.

except; you're not right.

How does the name Destroyer not give you a clue as to the purpose of the ship? Its main design criteria is that it can do an excessive amount of DPS for the size and price of the platform, working as intended.