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Dave Stark
3412
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:49:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:They should make carriers blappable by a small gang of dessies. Thatd balance it up a bit. Imagine the tears lol
they are. there's nothing stopping destroyers shooting carriers. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12804
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:50:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote: He's a renter, they don't really know what's going on.
This is the quality of your renters? You guys are slipping
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
556
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:51:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Skydell wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
They already did that in the first place to prevent freighters from hauling them in the first time.
And they can do it again. Freighters are used to pad killboard ISK values. They don't do their job anymore. Tell me, do you believe what you're posting or are you trolling?
I know what I am posting. You might not like what I am posting but everything I am posting is tested fact.
I ran logi on a freighter being ganked. Bugshit on a bumper. It's hull tanked I did web runs on a freighter and stared at the cool down timers, I know you don't need a capital skill and can only skill Agi to limited amounts on a freighter
I know what I am talking about and you can kiss my ass. I'm right.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
365
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:53:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:They should make carriers blappable by a small gang of dessies. Thatd balance it up a bit. Imagine the tears lol they are. there's nothing stopping destroyers shooting carriers. Lol only their millions of EHP. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3552
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:53:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
Or you could get your buddy to double web you instead.
Another Goon shitpost. fleet and corp web creates a suspect flag so you need to sit on a gate with a timer, every gate and hold cloak in the forward system to run web ops now. Current freighter defense is to pray.
Fleet web will get you concorded. Corp web will give you a 60 second weapons timer which is fine since freighter warp times are really slow anyway. If out of corp, invite to duel. Apparently giving people the correct information is shitposting. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Dave Stark
3412
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:53:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Skydell wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
They already did that in the first place to prevent freighters from hauling them in the first time.
And they can do it again. Freighters are used to pad killboard ISK values. They don't do their job anymore. Tell me, do you believe what you're posting or are you trolling? I know what I am posting. You might not like what I am posting but everything I am posting is tested fact. I ran logi on a freighter being ganked. Bugshit on a bumper. It's hull tanked I did web runs on a freighter and stared at the cool down timers, I know you don't need a capital skill and can only skill Agi to limited amounts on a freighter I know what I am talking about and you can kiss my ass. I'm right.
really? so a freighter that can carry over 800k m3 of cargo isn't doing it's job as a hauler now?
well, damn. i never knew. |
Dave Stark
3412
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:54:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:They should make carriers blappable by a small gang of dessies. Thatd balance it up a bit. Imagine the tears lol they are. there's nothing stopping destroyers shooting carriers. Lol only their millions of EHP.
remind me how the EHP value of a ship prevents it being shot at. I seem to be unfamiliar with that game mechanic. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3552
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:55:00 -
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Skydell wrote:I know what I am talking about and you can kiss my ass. I'm right.
No you don't, going by the information you've supplied. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3552
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:57:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote: He's a renter, they don't really know what's going on.
This is the quality of your renters? You guys are slipping
NCdot renters. I don't think there's a rule on whether our renters will be allowed to post. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12806
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:58:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote: He's a renter, they don't really know what's going on.
This is the quality of your renters? You guys are slipping NCdot renters. I don't think there's a rule on whether our renters will be allowed to post. I apologise for casting aspersions on the quality of your potential renters.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3552
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:00:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
They already did that in the first place to prevent freighters from hauling them in the first time.
And they can do it again. Freighters are used to pad killboard ISK values. They don't do their job anymore.
Because a green killboard makes you awesome, just ask -a- The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
366
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:00:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:They should make carriers blappable by a small gang of dessies. Thatd balance it up a bit. Imagine the tears lol they are. there's nothing stopping destroyers shooting carriers. Lol only their millions of EHP. remind me how the EHP value of a ship prevents it being shot at. I seem to be unfamiliar with that game mechanic. I said blappable, as in destroyable in less than a minute like freighters which are also caps. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3554
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:04:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:They should make carriers blappable by a small gang of dessies. Thatd balance it up a bit. Imagine the tears lol they are. there's nothing stopping destroyers shooting carriers. Lol only their millions of EHP. remind me how the EHP value of a ship prevents it being shot at. I seem to be unfamiliar with that game mechanic. I said blappable, as in destroyable in less than a minute like freighters which are also caps.
With enough destroyers anything is possible. There is a difference between Freighters & carriers though. One is designed for combat, the other is not. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12807
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:05:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: I said blappable, as in destroyable in less than a minute like freighters which are also caps.
Anything is blappable, it just needs you to do the math and bring the appropriate numbers and firepower to do so, it's as true for freighters as it is for carriers, or any other ship for that matter.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Dave Stark
3416
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:05:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:I said blappable, as in destroyable in less than a minute like freighters which are also caps.
i fail to see how reducing the tank of other capital ships is relevant to the discussion? |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3554
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:11:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:I said blappable, as in destroyable in less than a minute like freighters which are also caps. i fail to see how reducing the tank of other capital ships is relevant to the discussion?
It isn't. People do that when you continually refute their statements. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3815
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:19:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:hint; ccp have never protected dumb people Mining barge buff? |
Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12807
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:19:00 -
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Addendum to my previous post.
quick back of envelope calculation (all skills at V) Thanatos : Approx 1,200,000 EHP including resists Time allowable for kill : 60 seconds T2 Gank Catalyst DPS (inc overload) : Approx 685
685dps*60seconds=41,100 damage 1,200,000ehp/41,100damage=30 (rounded up from 29.19)
30 Catalysts under ideal conditions should be able to take down a Thanatos in circa 60 seconds.
Mallak Azaria or Tippia, I'd appreciate it if you could check my math, I could be well off.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16261
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:20:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:I said blappable, as in destroyable in less than a minute like freighters which are also caps. i fail to see how reducing the tank of other capital ships is relevant to the discussion? It isn't. People do that when you continually refute their statements. It's more that he mistakenly applies an absolute timeframe rather than a relative one that takes context into account.
A carrier in low or nullsec is easy to kill before backup arrives and kills you right back. If backup arrives early or is already in place, you will suddenly have a much harder time. A freighter in highsec is easy to kill before backup arrives and kills you right back. If backup arrives early or is already in place, you will suddenly have a much harder time.
Both are balanced properly in relation to their respective surroundings. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Dave Stark
3416
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:21:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Dave Stark wrote:hint; ccp have never protected dumb people Mining barge buff?
first efforts at rebalancing ships. it went wrong. ccp fozzie said in his tmc interview that he wants to go back and do them again.
that wasn't CCP pandering to the dumb, that was CCP trying to rebalance ships and getting it wrong. |
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Matari Akiga
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:23:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:S Byerley wrote:Dave Stark wrote:S Byerley wrote:Numbers very relevant; 15 brutix's, for example, stops being profitable in most cases. No it isn't. people will still gank freighters, they will just use different ships if destroyers get nerfed in to the ground. Then surely you have no complaints if Freighters/ect. are adjusted such that it takes ~900m to gank them with a reasonable number of people? Why do we need to adjust freighters? Nobody has actually answered this question yet.
Nothing needs to change in my opinion, the ships can survive its just some players are not interested in using their freighters unless they are full or unwilling to take the steps that are needed to help them survive or travel more quickly.
It is pure Darwinian evolution change with the environment or die . CCP dont need to change everything to suit your play style.
Improvise, adapt and overcome! |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3554
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:24:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Addendum to my previous post. quick back of envelope calculation (all skills at V) Thanatos : Approx 1,200,000 EHP including resistsTime allowable for kill : 60 seconds T2 Gank Catalyst DPS (inc overload) : Approx 685 685dps*60seconds=41,100 damage 1,200,000ehp/41,100damage=30 (rounded up from 29.19) 30 Catalysts under ideal conditions should be able to take down a Thanatos in circa 60 seconds. Mallak Azaria or Tippia, I'd appreciate it if you could check my math, I haven't included armour repairs.
Tippia will probably beat me to it, but if not I'll check it when I get home. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
366
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:25:00 -
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Pretending you don't know what Im saying to avoid the comparison. Priceless . |
Dave Stark
3418
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:27:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Pretending you don't know what Im saying to avoid the comparison. Priceless .
we know exactly what you're saying. that's pretty much the problem. |
Traedar
InterStellar Trading Syndicate
16
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:28:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:remind me again how it's unfair to freighter pilots that it requires over 15 pilots to kill 1 ship?
Because the 1 ship is designed to be unable to defend itself and be unable to run away. And because it can be kept from warping easily with no risk.
Also because the 15 ships required cost a few hundred millions and the 1 ship costs 6 billion. That's if you fit the 15 ships expensively, I'm guessing many freighter gankings are much cheaper (meta mods and faction ammo).
Suicide ganking freighters in high sec, with their slowness, is probably the most low risk ganking in the game. You have next to forever to scan the thing as it aligns, and even if it's not AFK you can easily organize your ganking buddies since it is so slow in warp. Nevermind if he's autopiloting.
With smaller ship classes getting damage buffs it probably makes sense to buff freighter EHP. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3815
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:29:00 -
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Reading through all this crap makes me fear that every single one of you turns dumber and dumber with every post.
Except those who fail at life, because they don't understand the concept of self responsibility. These already maxed out. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
366
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:29:00 -
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How about every time a cap ship is solo it reverts to 300,000 EHP. If it dies (cus it was ratting) its the pilots fault for not having remote reps, scouts, webbers and instantly deployables cyno alts. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
228
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:31:00 -
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Since hi-sec is so big, has so many people in it -and is (according to the whiners) 95% filled with gankers and griefers- I can't help but wonder where are the white knights?
Seems pretty easy to whine nonsensically about things like RL navies and EHP ratios while completely ignoring personal responsibility, or teamwork, things gankers are comfortable with.
Much easier to post a thread, start an argument, than actually do something. You think RL navies and coast guards are full of NPCs who fulfill their responsibilities because of code? No, they are full of real people who are there because they want to make a real difference.
If gankers are so prevalent, you should be able to provide content for dozens or hundreds of white knight types, patrolling the space lanes, ensuring evildoers get their just desserts (or some other polarized nonsense). Take some personal responsibility, would ya? Just for one moment, stop the flow of tears, adjust the whine down to a minimum, and use your brain. I've got a few amazing ideas perfectly suited for people looking to make hi-sec a 'safer' place; but if you're unwilling to use a webbing ship, a scout, or the smallest modicum of common sense, I'm willing to bet that is out of your reach.
Gankers=knowledgeable, connected people who organise together for a common goal
Freighter Victims=insular, unorganised, or ignorant players unwilling to work together or do anything to change their circumstance (and the occasional unlucky bastard I'm sure =)
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
1625
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:32:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:How about every time a cap ship is solo it reverts to 300,000 EHP. If it dies (cus it was ratting) its the pilots fault for not having remote reps, scouts, webbers and instantly deployables cyno alts. Are you implying ratting carriers don't get ganked? Oh god. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
366
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:35:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:How about every time a cap ship is solo it reverts to 300,000 EHP. If it dies (cus it was ratting) its the pilots fault for not having remote reps, scouts, webbers and instantly deployables cyno alts. Are you implying ratting carriers don't get ganked? Im implying theyre a lot more survivable when they're ganked than a freighter in supposedly safer high sec. |
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