You heard wrong. 5 trillion in kills is not 5 trillion in profits.

You are yet to name anyone that actually ganks freighters every 20 minutes.

Given a lot of their kills are empty Im assuming their profit is tears. But if you like 10:1 isk ratio cost vs damage still very imbalanced.

Given a lot of their kills are empty Im assuming their profit is tears. But if you like 10:1 isk ratio cost vs damage still very imbalanced.

They do when they feel like it?

But if you like 10:1 isk ratio cost vs damage still very imbalanced.

Most likely, they do it when the opportunity arises, which by the looks of it isn't that often.

Maybe if their overlord was less demanding.

Bat Country averages 15-20minutes/freighter when they're actively doing it - based on killboard. I assume you're familiar with them at least?

Bat Country averages 45 combined freighter & JF kills per month. After going through their freighter kills for the last 18 months I only see a dozen instances where freighters or JF's died less than 25 mintues apart. So again, name the alt corp that is suicide ganking freighters every 20 minutes, otherwise you'll have to concede that no one actually does this.

When Tippia admits something and you still refuse to, you should probably reevaluate your life.

The key word was average.

Yeah they need to be able to fit a tank. Give them fitting abilty. Its pretty stupid an orca can be fit to have 3 times the HP of a freighter.

You'll get a lot of idiots coming into this thread saying theres no problem but they make a living off ganking freighters so theyre biased. You'll also get people who are fanboys of the latter but neither will have a reasonable or sustainable argument so likely you'll get flamed.

I don't gank nor use freighters and its clear to me that when freighters were introduced without fitting it took a sizeable battleship force to kill one. Things have changed a lot and freighters need a rethink.

When Tippia admits something and you still refuse to, you should probably reevaluate your life.

The key word was average.

When Tippia admits something and you still refuse to, you should probably reevaluate your life.

As I said in my first post arguing against ganking freighters when the overriding principle supporting it is based on a refusal to acknowledge its misplaced and imbalanced position in the game gets everyone nowhere.

If CCP gave freighters the ability to fit a tank, people would fit cargohold expanders instead. This would also mean freighters base cargohold would have to be heavily nerfed to account for that. In the end, the only viable fitting option would be to fit cargohold mods. For anything else you would just use an Orca.

Wy would de base cargohold heavily nerfed?

In what way is it misplaced or imbalanced?

Maybe this Gǣrefusal to acknowledgeGǥ this position is because the position has never actually been properly articulated or provenGǪ hmm?

Wy would de base cargohold heavily nerfed? its freighter , it hauls large stuff. orca is something different.

I agree with ziona , you used to have bs fleets , and you make it sound ALL the ppl gonna fit cargo expanders , but thats a lie .

Like she said you biased and you dont want ccp nerf your incom wich i can understand , but after shuttle to have ships that cannot be fitted is plain stupid

edit: i dotn know what you mean by heavily nerfing , but it sounds like after your patch you cant even haul a i hub anymore

because fitting a single cargo expander would allow freighters to move packaged capitals in to high sec, which is an issue easily avoided by not letting freighters fit cargo modules.

The principle of the EvE system is that high sec is relatively safe, low sec is unsafe and null is very unsafe.

Being able to suicide a capital ship with a few cheap dessies repeatedly in High goes against that principle, devalues and imbalances the ship involved and is socially bad for EvE.

I enjoy inflicting loss and harm on others in EvE however suiciding clearly crosses a line from gameplay to gaming the game. The ability to remove months of a persons effort while putting in none yourself is bad for EvE imo.

Its clearly imbalanced.

I know what you'll try to come back with, not interested really.

because fitting a single cargo expander would allow freighters to move packaged capitals in to high sec, which is an issue easily avoided by not letting freighters fit cargo modules.

well then tey can make it easy , all the mods you fit , except the ******* damn cargo expanders. thats was not hard was it?

The principle of the EvE system is that high sec is relatively safe, low sec is unsafe and null is very unsafe.

Being able to suicide a capital ship with a few cheap dessies repeatedly in High goes against that principle, devalues and imbalances the ship involved and is socially bad for EvE.

The ability to remove months of a persons effort while putting in none yourself is bad for EvE imo.

and in english?

Who cares if you move them into highsec. As long as you can't assemble them which is easily fixed.

you do realise you've just said it's unfair that a large group of players are needed to destroy one ship? and the unfairness is on the part of the one guy on his own.

please tell me you realise what you've just said.

Who cares if you move them into highsec. As long as you can't assemble them which is easily fixed.

CCP obviously do, which is why they're not allowed in highsec, unless they're grandfathered in.

that comment makes my day :) out of words ? so you blame sombody who cant write perfect english lol

im very sorry for my grammer and spelling but i think you know what i ment.