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baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:01:00 -
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Oh hey look another "protect me from myself" thread.
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Dave Stark
3437
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:02:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Oh hey look another "protect me from myself" thread.
welcome, but you're a bit late to the party! |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3563
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:07:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Oh hey look another "protect me from myself" thread.
Shouldn't you be out ganking a freighter every 20 minutes? The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2654
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:07:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:remind me again how it's unfair to freighter pilots that it requires over 15 pilots to kill 1 ship?
Or they could tell us why it's unfair for 15 COMBAT ships to kill one industrial ship. I'm sure it would take the United States Navy 15 destroyers to sink a freighter :) . |

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
141
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:14:00 -
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Tippia wrote:First CCP determines the balance of a ship. Then they look at it and say GǣhmmGǪ how common do we want this thing to beGǥ. Then they set a price to achieve that goal. To what degree it reflects actual performance depends on the purpose of the ship.
You know this how exactly?
Material requirements being a factor in balancing doesn't mean that changing them is a good option, largely due to the artificial impact on the economy.
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baltec1
Bat Country
7748
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:14:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:baltec1 wrote:Oh hey look another "protect me from myself" thread.
welcome, but you're a bit late to the party!
Forgot to charge my phone. I am amazed you lot managed to get this thing so big in jut 12 or so hours. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12849
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dave Stark wrote:baltec1 wrote:Oh hey look another "protect me from myself" thread.
welcome, but you're a bit late to the party! Forgot to charge my phone. I am amazed you lot managed to get this thing so big in jut 12 or so hours. We had prolific shiptoasters to play with.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3563
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:18:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:baltec1 wrote:Dave Stark wrote:baltec1 wrote:Oh hey look another "protect me from myself" thread.
welcome, but you're a bit late to the party! Forgot to charge my phone. I am amazed you lot managed to get this thing so big in jut 12 or so hours. We had prolific shiptoasters to play with.
Shitposting isn't censored you know. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |

Dave Stark
3439
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:18:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dave Stark wrote:baltec1 wrote:Oh hey look another "protect me from myself" thread.
welcome, but you're a bit late to the party! Forgot to charge my phone. I am amazed you lot managed to get this thing so big in jut 12 or so hours.
I had that problem regularly when the guys at work got me in to ingress. I spent -ú30 on a portable battery. never had a flat phone battery since. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12849
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:20:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote: Shitposting isn't censored you know.
Dammit, I wish I'd known that earlier.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
141
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:20:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:S Byerley wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:You might want to add sarcasm tags Domanique, S Byerley will take your post as proof that freighters die every 20 minutes, regardless of the facts. Oh look Your list of things to learn from this thread now consists of
- the meaning of the word "average"
- what a strawman argument is
I said that, while working, it's common to gank a freighter every 20 minutes on average. You're interpreting my position to mean that a freighter dies every 20 minutes.
If your definition of straw man varies from the above, perhaps you can grace me with a description.
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Dave Stark
3439
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:21:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:S Byerley wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:You might want to add sarcasm tags Domanique, S Byerley will take your post as proof that freighters die every 20 minutes, regardless of the facts. Oh look Your list of things to learn from this thread now consists of
- the meaning of the word "average"
- what a strawman argument is
I said that, while working, it's common to gank a freighter every 20 minutes on average. You're interpreting my position to mean that a freighter dies every 20 minutes. If your definition of straw man varies from the above, perhaps you can grace me with a description.
if it's common to gank a freighter every 20 mins, that means it's common for a freighter to die every 20 mins.
i don't think you understand how words work. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16269
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:22:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:You know this how exactly? Because they're game developers who have now learned (the hard way) that cost is not a balancing factor.
Quote:Material requirements being a factor in balancing doesn't GǪhappen, because it has been shown not to have any effect on the balance of the ship (unsurprisingly GÇö after all, the ship stats and the build requirements are completely independent of each other).
Will they occasionally change the building requirements to match the balance of the ship? Sure. But then that's what's happening: matching cost to balance, not adjusting balance through cost. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1253
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:22:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:Freighters are expensive, Tippia, so they should be megatanked God Ships.
You should just speak plainly, bro. We all get your insinuation when you insist that cost is a factor in balance, so you should just out with it.
What's your preferred HP/isk ratio? We can start a thread in F&I asking CCP to rebalance the defensive ability of all ships based upon it. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |

baltec1
Bat Country
7748
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:25:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:
I said that, while working, it's common to gank a freighter every 20 minutes on average. You're interpreting my position to mean that a freighter dies every 20 minutes.
If your definition of straw man varies from the above, perhaps you can grace me with a description.
So why is it that only 30 to 40 get killed a month?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12856
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:26:00 -
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S Byerley wrote: I said that, while working, it's common to gank a freighter every 20 minutes on average. You're interpreting my position to mean that a freighter dies every 20 minutes.
If your definition of straw man varies from the above, perhaps you can grace me with a description.
strawman - a weak or sham argument set up to be easily refuted
Your 20 minute statement was an inadvertent strawman, you presented it as an argument believing it to be true, not realising that it could be easily refuted.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
141
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:27:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:if it's common to gank a freighter every 20 mins, that means it's common for a freighter to die every 20 mins.
i don't think you understand how words work.
You're assuming that the practice is common (among other things). It's obviously not and as such you have made an ass of yourself, but fortunately not of me. |

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
141
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:29:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:S Byerley wrote:
I said that, while working, it's common to gank a freighter every 20 minutes on average. You're interpreting my position to mean that a freighter dies every 20 minutes.
If your definition of straw man varies from the above, perhaps you can grace me with a description.
So why is it that only 30 to 40 get killed a month?
As an interested party, perhaps you can grace me with your average isk/hr while ganking freighters.
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baltec1
Bat Country
7748
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:32:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:baltec1 wrote:S Byerley wrote:
I said that, while working, it's common to gank a freighter every 20 minutes on average. You're interpreting my position to mean that a freighter dies every 20 minutes.
If your definition of straw man varies from the above, perhaps you can grace me with a description.
So why is it that only 30 to 40 get killed a month? As an interested party, perhaps you can grace me with your average isk/hr while ganking freighters.
Depends how kind the loot fairy is that day. |

Dave Stark
3440
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:33:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:Dave Stark wrote:if it's common to gank a freighter every 20 mins, that means it's common for a freighter to die every 20 mins.
i don't think you understand how words work. You're assuming that the practice is common (among other things). It's obviously not and as such you have made an ass of yourself, but fortunately not of me.
if a freighter gets ganked every 20 mins on average that implies it is common. you're the one saying it's a 20 min average.
it's nice to know you're admitting it's not the case and you've made an ass of yourself though. |

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
141
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:33:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Depends how kind the loot fairy is that day.
Just the average, please. Feel free to ballpark or include a range if that makes it easier. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3566
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:34:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:S Byerley wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:You might want to add sarcasm tags Domanique, S Byerley will take your post as proof that freighters die every 20 minutes, regardless of the facts. Oh look Your list of things to learn from this thread now consists of
- the meaning of the word "average"
- what a strawman argument is
I said that, while working, it's common to gank a freighter every 20 minutes on average. You're interpreting my position to mean that a freighter dies every 20 minutes. If your definition of straw man varies from the above, perhaps you can grace me with a description.
If a freighter died every 20 minutes on average, then we'd be killing more than 30-45 per month by a huge amount. Earlier when I went through the killboard you referenced there was only 12 instances of freighters dying 18-25 minutes apart. All of the other kills made on the same day were hours apart. This does not make 20 minutes the average, not by a longshot. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
141
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:36:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:if a freighter gets ganked every 20 mins on average that implies it is common. you're the one saying it's a 20 min average.
Are you having trouble grasping the concept of a local average? Again, not a great teacher. If it helps, this is how everyone does every isk/hr calculation ever. |

baltec1
Bat Country
7749
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:37:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:baltec1 wrote:Depends how kind the loot fairy is that day. Just the average, please. Feel free to ballpark or include a range if that makes it easier.
Less than running level 4 missions. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3566
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:38:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:Dave Stark wrote:if a freighter gets ganked every 20 mins on average that implies it is common. you're the one saying it's a 20 min average. Are you having trouble grasping the concept of a local average? Again, not a great teacher. If it helps, this is how everyone does every isk/hr calculation ever.
He understands it perfectly well. It is you that does not. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12858
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:39:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:Dave Stark wrote:if it's common to gank a freighter every 20 mins, that means it's common for a freighter to die every 20 mins.
i don't think you understand how words work. You're assuming that the practice is common (among other things). It's obviously not and as such you have made an ass of yourself, but fortunately not of me.
S Byerley wrote:Because the downside of ganking in high sec is supposed to be the cost? Can you name another ship that has alt corporations dedicated to ganking one indiscriminately every ~20 minutes? Right here you stated categorically that freighters get ganked every 20 minutes or so.
BTW the statement above is an example of a strawman, an accidental strawman, but a strawman nonetheless.
Who's the arse?
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
141
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:42:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Right here you stated categorically that freighters get ganked every 20 minutes or so.
Sorry, you must have missed the bit where I clarified to mitigate your deliberate misinterpretation of context -
S Byerley wrote:Bat Country averages 15-20minutes/freighter when they're actively doing it
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Who's the arse?
Lots of asses; shall I list them? |

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
141
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:44:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Less than running level 4 missions.
You'll have to clarify; people claim anywhere from 20m to 200m/hr for level 4 missions. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12858
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:47:00 -
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Would you like a link to the original post? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3553957#post3553957
The only edit was to remove the person you quoted, that is exactly what you posted.
Your later backpedalling is irrelevant, and didn't start until 2 pages later.
Please feel free to list arses, I'm a bit of a legs and arse man.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3567
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:48:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:baltec1 wrote:Less than running level 4 missions. You'll have to clarify; people claim anywhere from 20m to 200m/hr for level 4 missions.
Here's a ballpark figure for you. Asuming that 20 people are out ganking freighters for 8 hours a day for the last 365 days & around 2 trillion in loot has dropped, each would earn 34,246,575 isk per hour. However, since a significant portion of that isk goes towards ships & incentives to keep the SIG going it's more like 10m an hour per person. Then add in that for a year we were using Talos to gank & the figure drops to around 2m per hour. Ganking freighters isn't as profitable as people seem to think, but oh boy is it hilarious.
Less than the isk/hr of running level 4 missions (which earn 40m per hour per account at best). The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
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