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Dave Stark
3408
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:24:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Tippia wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:As I said in my first post arguing against ganking freighters when the overriding principle supporting it is based on a refusal to acknowledge its misplaced and imbalanced position in the game gets everyone nowhere. In what way is it misplaced or imbalanced? Maybe this Gǣrefusal to acknowledgeGǥ this position is because the position has never actually been properly articulated or provenGǪ hmm? The principle of the EvE system is that high sec is relatively safe, low sec is unsafe and null is very unsafe. Being able to suicide a capital ship with a few cheap dessies repeatedly in High goes against that principle, devalues and imbalances the ship involved and is socially bad for EvE. I enjoy inflicting loss and harm on others in EvE however suiciding clearly crosses a line from gameplay to gaming the game. The ability to remove months of a persons effort while putting in none yourself is bad for EvE imo. Its clearly imbalanced. I know what you'll try to come back with, not interested really. you do realise you've just said it's unfair that a large group of players are needed to destroy one ship? and the unfairness is on the part of the one guy on his own. please tell me you realise what you've just said. In high sec without a war dec yes. As Oveur said many years ago, high sec is supposed to be relatively safe. There are mechanics in place in high for groups of PvPrs to attack players. Simply finding a workaround doesn't make it balanced.
make war decs instant then.
this removes suicide ganking and freighter pilots will be happy. right?
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3549
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:25:00 -
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Lugalbandak wrote:Wy would de base cargohold heavily nerfed? its freighter , it hauls large stuff. orca is something different.
So it wouldn't be able to haul packaged capital ships in to highsec after putting on a cargohold expander.
Lugalbandak wrote:I agree with ziona , you used to have bs fleets , and you make it sound ALL the ppl gonna fit cargo expanders , but thats a lie .
Really? After the barge buff the majority of miners still use cargohold expanding rigs even though barges have a dedicated ore hold. I have no idea what you're trying to say about the Battleship fleets.
Lugalbandak wrote:Like she said you biased and you dont want ccp nerf your incom wich i can understand , but after shuttle to have ships that cannot be fitted is plain stupid
My personal income comes from AFK ratting in 5 Ishtars in different systems for around 300m an hour. I make nothing from ganking freighters because my motive isn't profit.
Lugalbandak wrote:edit: i dotn know what you mean by heavily nerfing , but it sounds like after your patch you cant even haul a i hub anymore
The cargohold of a freighter would have to be nerfed by a certain percentage to make up for every low slot or rig slot that it gained. To haul iHubs & Station egg's the freighter pilot would have to fit cargohold expanders.
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
360
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:27:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Dave Stark wrote:[quote=Lugalbandak]Wy would de base cargohold heavily nerfed? because fitting a single cargo expander would allow freighters to move packaged capitals in to high sec, which is an issue easily avoided by not letting freighters fit cargo modules. hint; ccp have never protected dumb people, that's why scamming is a perfectly legitimate profession in eve. They protect nullbears quite a bit with all their invulnerable deployables. Im guessing because they assume nullbears are too dumb to defend them.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3552
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:27:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Lugalbandak wrote:Wy would de base cargohold heavily nerfed? because fitting a single cargo expander would allow freighters to move packaged capitals in to high sec, which is an issue easily avoided by not letting freighters fit cargo modules. Who cares if you move them into highsec. As long as you can't assemble them which is easily fixed. CCP obviously do, which is why they're not allowed in highsec, unless they're grandfathered in. CCP don't want them being used in highsec.
Then explain why a pilot who has had his combat capital ship reimbursed has to move it out of highsec as soon as possible? The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
94
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:28:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:[quote=Lugalbandak]Wy would de base cargohold heavily nerfed? its freighter , it hauls large stuff. orca is something different.
So it wouldn't be able to haul packaged capital ships in to highsec after putting on a cargohold expander.
nope , i already explained , freighters could then fit all the modules except the cargo expanders , problem solved
and i ment your tear income
edit: meh wrong qoute The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
553
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:28:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Bring logi.
Either you have no idea at all, what you are talking about or you are a bald faced liar, flat out trolling people.
Lugalbandak wrote: So it wouldn't be able to haul packaged capital ships in to highsec after putting on a cargohold expander.
nope , i already explained , freighters could then fit all the modules except the cargo expanders , problem solved
and i ment your tear income
edit: meh wrong qoute
In addition they could change packaged sizes of carriers and Dreads. This tired old excuse for not giving rigs and slots to Freighters died when they adjusted the M3 volume of a Cap ship assembly array because 2 of the freighters required freighter 5 to carry them. |
Dave Stark
3409
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:30:00 -
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Lugalbandak wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:[quote=Lugalbandak]Wy would de base cargohold heavily nerfed? its freighter , it hauls large stuff. orca is something different. So it wouldn't be able to haul packaged capital ships in to highsec after putting on a cargohold expander. nope , i already explained , freighters could then fit all the modules except the cargo expanders , problem solved and i ment your tear income edit: meh wrong qoute
"hey guys, let's let cargo carrying ships fit all modules except cargo expanders"
no wonder i didn't get what you were saying, it's completely backwards. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3552
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:31:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:As Oveur said many years ago, high sec is supposed to be relatively safe. There are mechanics in place in high for groups of PvPrs to attack players. Simply finding a workaround doesn't make it balanced.
He also said that Titans aren't supposed to have a use 7 years ago. Multiple CCP Devs have more recently said that highsec was never supposed to be safe. I'm more inclined to believe the more recent statements as opposed to the statements from that guy 7 years ago. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
94
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:31:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Lugalbandak wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:[quote=Lugalbandak]Wy would de base cargohold heavily nerfed? its freighter , it hauls large stuff. orca is something different. So it wouldn't be able to haul packaged capital ships in to highsec after putting on a cargohold expander. nope , i already explained , freighters could then fit all the modules except the cargo expanders , problem solved and i ment your tear income edit: meh wrong qoute "hey guys, let's let cargo carrying ships fit all modules except cargo expanders" no wonder i didn't get what you were saying, it's completely backwards.
No it got a huge base cargo bay , no need for extra cargo space , just tank or agile mods The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3552
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:32:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Lugalbandak wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:[quote=Lugalbandak]Wy would de base cargohold heavily nerfed? its freighter , it hauls large stuff. orca is something different. So it wouldn't be able to haul packaged capital ships in to highsec after putting on a cargohold expander. nope , i already explained , freighters could then fit all the modules except the cargo expanders , problem solved and i ment your tear income edit: meh wrong qoute "hey guys, let's let cargo carrying ships fit all modules except cargo expanders" no wonder i didn't get what you were saying, it's completely backwards.
He's a renter, they don't really know what's going on. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3552
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:33:00 -
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Lugalbandak wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Lugalbandak wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:[quote=Lugalbandak]Wy would de base cargohold heavily nerfed? its freighter , it hauls large stuff. orca is something different. So it wouldn't be able to haul packaged capital ships in to highsec after putting on a cargohold expander. nope , i already explained , freighters could then fit all the modules except the cargo expanders , problem solved and i ment your tear income edit: meh wrong qoute "hey guys, let's let cargo carrying ships fit all modules except cargo expanders" no wonder i didn't get what you were saying, it's completely backwards. No it got a huge base cargo bay , no need for extra cargo space , just tank or agile mods
Or you could get your buddy to double web you instead. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16260
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:33:00 -
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Lugalbandak wrote:No it got a huge base cargo bay , no need for extra cargo space , just tank or agile mods It also has a huge hull buffer. No need for extra tank.
That just leaves agility mods, and if that's all you want to be able to fit, why not just ask them to improve the agility of the thing? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
94
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:33:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Lugalbandak wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:[quote=Lugalbandak]Wy would de base cargohold heavily nerfed? its freighter , it hauls large stuff. orca is something different. So it wouldn't be able to haul packaged capital ships in to highsec after putting on a cargohold expander. nope , i already explained , freighters could then fit all the modules except the cargo expanders , problem solved and i ment your tear income edit: meh wrong qoute "hey guys, let's let cargo carrying ships fit all modules except cargo expanders" no wonder i didn't get what you were saying, it's completely backwards. He's a renter, they don't really know what's going on.
a after the spelling comments , we get the renting comments. +1 for you The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Dave Stark
3409
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:34:00 -
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Lugalbandak wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Lugalbandak wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:[quote=Lugalbandak]Wy would de base cargohold heavily nerfed? its freighter , it hauls large stuff. orca is something different. So it wouldn't be able to haul packaged capital ships in to highsec after putting on a cargohold expander. nope , i already explained , freighters could then fit all the modules except the cargo expanders , problem solved and i ment your tear income edit: meh wrong qoute "hey guys, let's let cargo carrying ships fit all modules except cargo expanders" no wonder i didn't get what you were saying, it's completely backwards. No it got a huge base cargo bay , no need for extra cargo space , just tank or agile mods
if you need agility or tank, may i suggest training the relevant skills instead of asking ccp to massively recode the game in completely backwards ways to achieve the same thing? |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
94
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:35:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Lugalbandak wrote:No it got a huge base cargo bay , no need for extra cargo space , just tank or agile mods It also has a huge hull buffer. No need for extra tank. That just leaves agility mods, and if that's all you want to be able to fit, why not just ask them to improve the agility of the thing?
nope , gonna fit the nuke bomb from harry The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
bloodknight2
Talledega Knights PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
211
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:35:00 -
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I agree with op. Not that i am against ganking (i did some), but freighter are easy prey. I'd say, give them a low slot. If the pilot is a moron, he will fit a cargo expander (...) and if he has any brain, he will fit a damage control. I do not buy a freighter because even if it is empty, someone WILL gank it someday for the lol. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3552
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:36:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Bring logi. Either you have no idea at all, what you are talking about or you are a bald faced liar, flat out trolling people. Lugalbandak wrote: So it wouldn't be able to haul packaged capital ships in to highsec after putting on a cargohold expander.
nope , i already explained , freighters could then fit all the modules except the cargo expanders , problem solved
and i ment your tear income
edit: meh wrong qoute
In addition they could change packaged sizes of carriers and Dreads. This tired old excuse for not giving rigs and slots to Freighters died when they adjusted the M3 volume of a Cap ship assembly array because 2 of the freighters required freighter 5 to carry them.
They already did that in the first place to prevent freighters from hauling them in the first time. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
94
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:37:00 -
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bloodknight2 wrote:I agree with op. Not that i am against ganking (i did some), but freighter are easy prey. I'd say, give them a low slot. If the pilot is a moron, he will fit a cargo expander (...) and if he has any brain, he will fit a damage control. I do not buy a freighter because even if it is empty, someone WILL gank it someday for the lol.
thank you , a sane person here The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
553
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:37:00 -
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So much propaganda and misinformation in this thread it makes my head spin. |
Dave Stark
3410
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:38:00 -
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Lugalbandak wrote:bloodknight2 wrote:I agree with op. Not that i am against ganking (i did some), but freighter are easy prey. I'd say, give them a low slot. If the pilot is a moron, he will fit a cargo expander (...) and if he has any brain, he will fit a damage control. I do not buy a freighter because even if it is empty, someone WILL gank it someday for the lol. thank you , a sane person here
"you don't agree with me, you must not be sane". |
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3552
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:38:00 -
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Lugalbandak wrote:a after the spelling comments , we get the renting comments. +1 for you
Thanks, just wait until I park my guys in the system your corporation is renting.
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
360
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:39:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:
make war decs instant then.
this removes suicide ganking and freighter pilots will be happy. right?
Lets remove reinforcement timers too. If you want to be able to instantly remove a 6 bill isk ship from somebody without warning let us remove your **** in null without your handholding timers. Oh wait that wouldnt be fair to YOU and EvE should be fair in null, just not high sec right :) you guys are sad |
Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12801
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:39:00 -
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Lugalbandak wrote: well then tey can make it easy , all the mods you fit , except the ******* damn cargo expanders. thats was not hard was it?
edit: BATTLE CHARON WHOEIIIIII
How would you tank a Charon? The base stats are, excluding resists : Shield 6000 HP Armour 20000 HP Structure 106250 HP CPU 1.15 PG 1.15
You can't have low slots, because that would allow a cargo expander, which in turn allows the transport of packaged capships in highsec. No low slots means no armour tank, and no Damage Control. Preventing the fitting of a cargo expander to one class of ship is an unreasonable amount of work just to try and cure stupidity.
So you're left with mid slots, 6000 base HP on shield puts it somewhere between the base stats of a shield tanking BC and BS, however there's not enough CPU or PG to fit anything there.
So basically what you're asking for is for CCP to not balance, but completely rework freighters. All because people insist on stuffing the things to the brim, going afk, and autopiloting though chokepoint systems that are renowned for being gank alley.
I think that's somewhat unreasonable.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
553
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:40:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:
Or you could get your buddy to double web you instead.
Another Goon shitpost.
fleet and corp web creates a suspect flag so you need to sit on a gate with a timer, every gate and hold cloak in the forward system to run web ops now.
Current freighter defense is to pray. |
Dave Stark
3410
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:40:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
make war decs instant then.
this removes suicide ganking and freighter pilots will be happy. right?
Lets remove reinforcement timers too. If you want to be able to instantly remove a 6 bill isk ship from somebody without warning let us remove your **** in null without your handholding timers. Oh wait that wouldnt be fair to YOU and EvE should be fair in null, just not high sec right :) you guys are sad
i fail to see the relevance of reinforcement timers to this discussion. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12801
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:43:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
Or you could get your buddy to double web you instead.
Another Goon shitpost. fleet and corp web creates a suspect flag so you need to sit on a gate with a timer, every gate and hold cloak in the forward system to run web ops now. Current freighter defense is to pray. Corp webs gain an aggression timer? So it's ok for me to explode my corpmates, but not web them? How does that work?
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
556
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:46:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:
They already did that in the first place to prevent freighters from hauling them in the first time.
And they can do it again. Freighters are used to pad killboard ISK values. They don't do their job anymore. |
Dave Stark
3412
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:47:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
They already did that in the first place to prevent freighters from hauling them in the first time.
And they can do it again. Freighters are used to pad killboard ISK values. They don't do their job anymore.
Tell me, do you believe what you're posting or are you trolling? |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
365
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:47:00 -
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They should make carriers blappable by a small gang of dessies. Thatd balance it up a bit. Imagine the tears lol |
Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12804
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:48:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
They already did that in the first place to prevent freighters from hauling them in the first time.
And they can do it again. Freighters are used to pad killboard ISK values. They don't do their job anymore. Freighters still do their job fine, they can still haul very large volumes of cargo, in fact they can still haul the same volume of cargo as they did 2 years ago.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
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