Death to all supers

This is funny - but maybe not "haha" kind of funny - because when you are arriving to somebody's grid in your new superfast inty or dictor you can see that grid sliding effect as you can on TQ only faster, you don't just show up out of nowhere. At least I had the impression it didn't go away when I was testing warp speed of my stiletto with 2x warp rigs on first day of those changes went live on Sisi.

This is funny - but maybe not "haha" kind of funny - because when you are arriving to somebody's grid in your new superfast inty or dictor you can see that grid sliding effect as you can on TQ only faster, you don't just show up out of nowhere. At least I had the impression it didn't go away when I was testing warp speed of my stiletto with 2x warp rigs on first day of those changes went live on Sisi.

Time to make bigger grids to compensate insane warp in speeds of small stuff :)

Time to make bigger grids to compensate insane warp in speeds of small stuff :)

Time to make bigger grids to compensate insane warp in speeds of small stuff :)

I realize this probably has to do with server ticks, but this doesn't really excuse it and it entirely broken mechanic.

I can totally see alliances going "No more supers in 0.0 until this is fixed" sort of thing going around. Not to mention tier 3 snipe BCs will simply stop being used as they will get insta-bubbled every time without seeing it either, and the list goes on.

I would suggest keeping warp acceleration tied to speed, but leaving deceleration static. If you strap a rocket to the back of your go-cart, you'll speed up really fast, but have a rough time slowing down. Likewise, it would keep the new speed changes in effect, but still give people a little longer to process the arrival of an enemy.

Or they will adapt and change how they use their supers... maybe don't leave them in system by themselves to bridge anymore...

Working as intended.....move along. Oh gawd forbid you actually had to fight in a FRIGATE.

It gives supercap blobbers anal discomfort.

So i went on the test server and played around with warping my dictor and interceptor.

Fitted my sabre with 2xt2 warp rigs which gave it 12.5 au/s warp speed and parked my super in one of the combat areas. Since i'm -10, and have default overview it is for me to spot my sabre from my super's screen.

What I wanted to see is how fast the max warp speed sabre would appear on the nyx grid from the point of view of the super. To my amazement my dictor simply appeared. I did not see it warp in, it simply materialized at 0 on my super. Later i had a corp-mate log it to check if it did the same for him and it did. Even fully aligned he was not able to warp out of my bubble since well...i simply appeared and bubbled him, by the time he reacted to press warp it was already too late.

this perhaps has to do with limited capabilities of the test server of course but this seems really really broken, not just for supers but for everything in general. Fleets will be bubbled without ever seeing the dictor that warped on top of them and even have a chance to warp out.

yep, being told by maka he will warp to me when im fully aligned, i held my finger over the warp button, i told him to warp in so i even knew it was coming. He warped, materialized next to me litterly the second i saw his sabre on overview i hit warp, i even hit warp before the bubble showed on my screen but i then got the message and the bubble was there.

If this was a real combat situation, you would not know when they would be warping in, but that wouldn't matter anyways since even if you know and are fully aligned with your finger over your clicker on the warp button it apears and bubbles before u can hit warp....

this honestly hurts the little guys more than the big guys. Those people with 3-4 supers who are paranoid about anything and everything will suddenly find themselves caught whether they want to or not, just because they happened to have **** luck.

The big guys who get their supers caught will just drop more supers until it's either a super vs super megablob, also known as Asakai 2.0 which heck i'm all in favor of, or more like you will get enough capitals to blot out the sun, where eventually the other side will be forced to disengage, much like it is right now anyway. Granted however disengaging with these warp speed is going to be very very hard if someone is really determined to keep you on field.

People who can replace caps and supers will continue to use them, everyone else will wait for better days.

Also as for drive by DDs with a titan, yea those will be few and very far between, seeing how a dictor can literally be 2 jumps away and still get to you in time and bubble you before you wait out the 1 minute or so that it takes you to warp.

Everyone being happy that it might lead to planty of dead capitals and supercapitals fails to see that it will also completely kill any sort of Battleship warfare because the ability to disengage a battle is completely gone. Its either complete victory or complete whelp with this nothing in between.
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i too like to post with a no-name alt, god forbid I would troll with my main. Thank you for your input though, very relevant.

oh and just for the record corry didn't warp cause no warp order was given, i'm sure you would've warped like a coward however.

ADD covert ops cloaks to interdictors.......please and thank you....

No warp order was given because there was no FC, thanks for clarifying that PL supers are helpless and incapable of thought if there is no FC.

Thanks to all for deailing the thread. GD is that way ----- >>>

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT SUPERCAPS ( or whatever flavour of the month alliance is flying them )

The issue is that with the new warp speed mechanics an interdictor insta-appears on grid and bubbles before ANYBODY sees it or can do anything about it. It doesnt mater what youre flying - if youre in a sniping BS, youre f$&@ed, if youre in a ratting carrier, youre f$&@ed, if youre in a Retriever perfectly aligned at full speed, youre f$&@ed, ( although if youre in a retriever in 0.0 what did you expect ) if youre in a FRIGATE you dont have any time to deal with it.

If dictors could warp cloaked we would all be pretty unhappy about it. This effect is EXACTLY the same. The dictor arrives on grid unseen and can either bubble or cloak immediately before it even appears on your overview.

Do you know there's a thing called 'MJD'?

I don't understand how this even got to the stage of cutting code. It should have been intuitively obvious to anyone with any even casual experience of eve's granularity when the design was QA'd. Where's the balance? Faster warp, but can be countered with...

Have we got non-eve players making decisions again?

Sounds like CSM were asleep when this idea was run past them.

The idea is ok, the server tick is too slow though: so this feature is broken.

I welcome and enjoy the new warp speed system.
Makes the universe less secure and that's always a good thing :)

I don't understand how this even got to the stage of cutting code. It should have been intuitively obvious to anyone with any even casual experience of eve's granularity when the design was QA'd. Where's the balance? Faster warp, but can be countered with...

Have we got non-eve players making decisions again?

Sounds like CSM were asleep when this idea was run past them.

Well warp speeds are impresive but tbh it just changes so many things in bad way, it destroys to many mechanics/behaviors etc it must be toned down a lot

Alternatively, if you truly want a band aid solution and keep deceleration stupidly fast, give dictors a cooldown period where they are incapable of dropping a bubble for some period of time after dropping out of warp similar to a ship having a locking penalty after coming out of a cloak.

I don't understand how this even got to the stage of cutting code.

@ Tuitan

The author said he couldn't see his alt's dictor LANDING on grid but just APPEARING.
If you can't see the huge issue in this... it's like having a dictor allready cloaked next to you or having covert ops dictor warping to you.

yes, something broken, imbalanced and uncounterable is great for the game simply because lots of things will die

let's bring back AOE doomsdays, tons of sh-ût will die then

:rollseyes:

yes, something broken, imbalanced and uncounterable is great for the game simply because lots of things will die

grid stuff

Just a fun, random fact for your consideration:

The average system (50 AU wide) contains something in the region of 113,097,335,529,232,556,584,655 possible 250/250/250 grids. This would be enough to give every active subscriber in EVE Online somewhere around 226,194,671,058,465,113 grids of space (or 3,534,291,735,288,517,393,270,468.75 km-¦) to themselves.

Across EVE's 7930 systems, there is something very, very roughly in the region of 896,861,870,746,814,173,716,314,150 grids. This would be enough to give every active subscriber 1,793,723,741,493,628,347,433 grids (or 28,026,933,460,837,942,928,640,625,000 km-¦). Each player could keep almost exactly 25,873,961,153,274,012 copies of the Earth in such a space.

For every AU you warp, you cross precisely 600,000 grids. An interceptor warping at 12 AU/s crosses 7,200,000 grids a second. It would take an interceptor 3,949,903,244,382 (three trillion, nine hundred and forty nine billion, nine hundred and three million, two thousand and forty four thousand, three hundred and eighty two) years to cross every grid in EVE even if they were all laid out in a straight, unbroken line.

... but you'll still complete it before the whining about the warp changes stops.

If dictor appear in grid like this say goodbye to any ranged fleet and i'm not talking about 200km snipers cause they are allready dead from probe system revamp, too fast to probe.

I'm talking about amazing job made to balance medium ranged turrets, u can trash all that work.
Just bring dictors and plated blasters ships, no tactics no skills. warp dictor, instant land, instant bubble.

I would suggest keeping warp acceleration tied to speed, but leaving deceleration static. If you strap a rocket to the back of your go-cart, you'll speed up really fast, but have a rough time slowing down. Likewise, it would keep the new speed changes in effect, but still give people a little longer to process the arrival of an enemy.

I'm not sure what we're supposed to take away from this, are we supposed to be sad that PL will no longer be dropping supers? I mean, not that you do much of that anyway with BL pushing your **** in all over the place, but y'know.

Can someone from CCP please reply to this thread? this issue needs to be looked at.

A perfectly reasonable fix was already suggested. Simply keep warp speed deceleration the way it is pre-Rubicon, giving pilots the chance to see a ship landing on their grid. The initial acceleration being fast is fine since the intent of that change is to see where an enemy is headed and get there before them. Increased acceleration from zero coupled with the higher warp speed of interceptors and dictors achieves this goal easily, but having such ridiculous deceleration coming out of warp is overkill and clearly broken.

There's no need to mess around with server ticks (on hardware that is already routinely stretched to the limit on its 1000ms ticks as it is) or increase dscan range (making dscan unbalanced). Just keep deceleration as it is now.

Alternatively, if you truly want a band aid solution and keep deceleration stupidly fast, give dictors a cooldown period where they are incapable of dropping a bubble for some period of time after dropping out of warp similar to a ship having a locking penalty after coming out of a cloak.

BTW, this also means that ceptors also instaappear on grid, right?

Right. But interceptors are arguably ok for this change to happen simply because they have a targetted point instead of a bubble.

Still broken, but at least it's manageable to a degree.

I suggest having subcaps that can kill dictors with you.

Wait wait wait ! Do you mean that, actually, capitals and super-capitals needs to have an escort of subcaps?

We're aware of this behaviour and of your objections.

I disagree with your assessment that this is a major problem, but you are of course welcome to your opinion. We'll be keeping a close eye on this both before launch and after.

I suggest having subcaps that can kill dictors with you.

We're aware of this behaviour and of your objections.

I disagree with your assessment that this is a major problem, but you are of course welcome to your opinion. We'll be keeping a close eye on this both before launch and after.

I suggest having subcaps that can kill dictors with you.

We're aware of this behaviour and of your objections.

I disagree with your assessment that this is a major problem, but you are of course welcome to your opinion. We'll be keeping a close eye on this both before launch and after.

I suggest having subcaps that can kill dictors with you.

We're aware of this behaviour and of your objections.

I disagree with your assessment that this is a major problem, but you are of course welcome to your opinion. We'll be keeping a close eye on this both before launch and after.

I suggest having subcaps that can kill dictors with you.

We're aware of this behaviour and of your objections.

I disagree with your assessment that this is a major problem, but you are of course welcome to your opinion. We'll be keeping a close eye on this both before launch and after.

I suggest having subcaps that can kill dictors with you.

More Risk and removal of Laziness from players, Forcing them to adapt to situations. I'm all for it :)

More Risk and removal of Laziness from players, Forcing them to adapt to situations. I'm all for it :)

We're aware of this behaviour and of your objections.

I disagree with your assessment that this is a major problem, but you are of course welcome to your opinion. We'll be keeping a close eye on this both before launch and after.

I suggest having subcaps that can kill dictors with you.

We're aware of this behaviour and of your objections.

I disagree with your assessment that this is a major problem, but you are of course welcome to your opinion. We'll be keeping a close eye on this both before launch and after.

I suggest having subcaps that can kill dictors with you.

The reason why it is not necessarily game breaking is because intel in EVE is already incredibly easy--dscan, local, spies, etc. This change will, for one, require people (supers, fleets, etc.) to make much more use of intel, as well as anti-tackle than they currently do--which diversifies the meta quite a bit.

We're aware of this behaviour and of your objections.

I disagree with your assessment that this is a major problem, but you are of course welcome to your opinion. We'll be keeping a close eye on this both before launch and after.

I suggest having subcaps that can kill dictors with you.

Once a cap is bubbled it's committed in fight .

We're aware of this behaviour and of your objections.

I disagree with your assessment that this is a major problem, but you are of course welcome to your opinion. We'll be keeping a close eye on this both before launch and after.

I suggest having subcaps that can kill dictors with you.

I think this new warp mechanism is wonderful because its basically a giant nerf and **** you to:

2. Anything that fights at range and use "being aligned" as their main defence.

I think this new warp mechanism is wonderful because its basically a giant nerf and **** you to:

1. Supers and Titans, heck all capitals now I think about it
2. Anything that fights at range and use "being aligned" as their main defence.


In other words CCP has decided it was about time to get rid of nano-faggotry and supers.

I for one feel very happy about these changes \o/.

Edit: In other words, man up and brawl.

Indeed. Abloobloo, my fleet is committed! I have to shoot the mans instead of running away!

Harden the **** up already.

No comment to the PL guys crying about their super fleet. Literally not a single person not in PL feels for you and your crocodile tears there.

Indeed. Abloobloo, my fleet is committed! I have to shoot the mans instead of running away!

Harden the **** up already.

No comment to the PL guys crying about their super fleet. Literally not a single person not in PL feels for you and your crocodile tears there.

We're aware of this behaviour and of your objections.

I disagree with your assessment that this is a major problem, but you are of course welcome to your opinion. We'll be keeping a close eye on this both before launch and after.

I suggest having subcaps that can kill dictors with you.

I think this new warp mechanism is wonderful because its basically a giant nerf and **** you to:

1. Supers and Titans, heck all capitals now I think about it
2. Anything that fights at range and use "being aligned" as their main defence.


In other words CCP has decided it was about time to get rid of nano-faggotry and supers.

I for one feel very happy about these changes \o/.

Edit: In other words, man up and brawl.

you don't play the game I do. What i said is not an opinion it's assessment of the situation based on simple facts and years of experience, what you said is a load of usual CCP bullshit that we get every time you don't agree with what we say and then eventually backtrack.

so let me just say this straight up. YOU ARE WRONG.

When people unsub their supers and you lose 1000s of active characters maybe you'll listen.

Wait, I thought CCP Fozzie is the former PL guy with years of experience?

you don't play the game I do. What i said is not an opinion it's assessment of the situation based on simple facts and years of experience, what you said is a load of usual CCP bullshit that we get every time you don't agree with what we say and then eventually backtrack.

so let me just say this straight up. YOU ARE WRONG.

When people unsub their supers and you lose 1000s of active characters maybe you'll listen.

I'm not entirely new to your playstyle

We've actually got some news coming that will happen to make you happy in one way and unhappy on the other. I'll be interested in seeing the whole reaction.

I'm not entirely new to your playstyle

We've actually got some news coming that will happen to make you happy in one way and unhappy on the other. I'll be interested in seeing the whole reaction.

One of the great things about stats like this is that we can change them very rapidly. If high grade pirate implant set hictors are so broken that they're gonna become the new meta, demonstrate it and we'll be watching and grateful for the help.

I completely agree that these kinds of changes are very disruptive to existing tactics, but disruptive changes provide content and allow the best minds to rise to the top. Disruptive changes are intrinsically valuable.

Nobody is gonna ban you guys for overusing this if it's too powerful, so go forth and theorycraft and prove your assertions in the wild.

I wonder if you could get loki warpspeed/scan res high enough that you could land on grid with artylokis and alpha a ship off the field before it can see the lokis on grid.

We're aware of this behaviour and of your objections.

I disagree with your assessment that this is a major problem, but you are of course welcome to your opinion. We'll be keeping a close eye on this both before launch and after.

I suggest having subcaps that can kill dictors with you.

One of the great things about stats like this is that we can change them very rapidly. If high grade pirate

I completely agree that these kinds of changes are very disruptive to existing tactics, but disruptive changes provide content and allow the best minds to rise to the top. Disruptive changes are intrinsically valuable.

Nobody is gonna ban you guys for overusing this if it's too powerful, so go forth and theorycraft and prove your assertions in the wild.

I can imagine the conversation.

Game designer "Er, we have a problem, warp speed change is too fast for the graphics engine, can we tweak it ?"
Programmer "not easily"
Game designer "it's not a major problem"

I guess that's alright then

I still dont see how being tackled by invisible ships is a good change. Sure, it shakes things up and is disruptive, but so is allowing ships that are cloaked to shoot while remaining cloaked, or allowing ships to assign drones from off grid.

Edit: Its also just not dictors. You can get it so interceptors can land on grid, lock and scram a target before the target even sees the interceptor on dscan, let alone on grid.

We're aware of this behaviour and of your objections.

I disagree with your assessment that this is a major problem, but you are of course welcome to your opinion. We'll be keeping a close eye on this both before launch and after.

I suggest having subcaps that can kill dictors with you.

I have to agree with Fozzie that we just have to wait and see how players adapt and if it is really horrible you can still change it back.

We're aware of this behaviour and of your objections.

I disagree with your assessment that this is a major problem, but you are of course welcome to your opinion. We'll be keeping a close eye on this both before launch and after.

I suggest having subcaps that can kill dictors with you.

Seriously, there is no need for the cloak because it will actually just slow you down with a cloaking delay timer.

We will literally be able to shut down whole regions of any gate traffic with this ****. It is kind of appalling that CCP doesn't realize this is broken. I spent 30 seconds figuring out how to abuse this.

I completely agree that these kinds of changes are very disruptive to existing tactics, but disruptive changes provide content and allow the best minds to rise to the top. Disruptive changes are intrinsically valuable.

every time anyone in pizza posts im embarrassed to be in pizza

I couldn't have said it better. It will certainly enable more destruction than the current system, since interceptors will be able to be on you very very quick after scanning you. But it is not broken since you can still find out what's happening with your Dscan if you see combat probes, and also because the cavalry (BC, BS) will take more time to arrive. Interdictors and other small tacklers may have to survive longer than before, actually. Thus making them both more important and more fun to fly.

About Heavy Interdictors, remember that without implants it won't be significantly faster than now. And with implants, since it cannot equip other implant sets for resilience, the Heavy Interdictor won't be very hard to kill if you're coordinated enough.

Edit :

You're considering a few points for being the norm, like for instance the natural reaction delay when a ship is on the overview but still coming out of warp. And it is indeed true that this delay will be shorter, or negated, in Rubicon. (At least for small ships because for others it will be significantly longer)... But maybe being less safe, or having to deploy more means to reach the same level of safety (scouts, D-scan, overall higher attention) is not a bad change.

About the point thing, it happens in both ways since you can also hear 'warp drive active' with your pod and be scrambled right after (true story).

And concerning the decloak, that's true but is it necessarily a bad thing ? If you're moving too fast it's because you want to cover a lot of volume in a minimum amount of time. Often because you are moving randomly, aimlessly to find your cloaked target. But then you uncloaking your opponent is just a matter of pure luck, and we know how bad gameplay based on luck can be for both parts (*cough* ECM *cough*). Whereas if you have carefully noted the distance and direction where your ennemi cloaked, you are much less likely to miss him due to server tick because you won't burn at full speed for a random duration.

the delay is not negated, you are actually bubbled BEFORE the ship even show up on grid.

from your point of view, you are actually bubbled by NOTHING, the bubble just appears out of thin air

I see the points all the naysayers bring up, but I honestly don't see the reason they bring them up. It's not like a bubble permanently burns out the warp drive, the moment the interdictor is destroyed, the bubble collapses and everyone's free to engage warp and scramble. Fozzie's suggestion is perfectly reasonable, I can't even fathom why he has to point out the obvious.

An interdictor lands on grid and throws out a bubble, but ten seconds later it's locked up and destroyed by the escort, by fighters, by smartbombs, by a bomber wing, or whatever. The bubble collapses, and everyone can leave like nothing happened. If you have enemies en route, you still only need to take out the interdictor and weather out the assault until warp becomes clear again.
There's a very good reason you see capital ships in real life moving in fleets of escorts and logistical/technical ships, and not the entire US carrier fleet in one bunch.

the moment the interdictor is destroyed, the bubble collapses and everyone's free to engage warp and scramble

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I couldn't have said it better. It will certainly enable more destruction than the current system, since interceptors will be able to be on you very very quick after scanning you. But it is not broken since you can still find out what's happening with your Dscan if you see combat probes, and also because the cavalry (BC, BS) will take more time to arrive. Interdictors and other small tacklers may have to survive longer than before, actually. Thus making them both more important and more fun to fly.

About Heavy Interdictors, remember that without implants it won't be significantly faster than now. And with implants, since it cannot equip other implant sets for resilience, the Heavy Interdictor won't be very hard to kill if you're coordinated enough.

I see the points all the naysayers bring up, but I honestly don't see the reason they bring them up. It's not like a bubble permanently burns out the warp drive, the moment the interdictor is destroyed, the bubble collapses and everyone's free to engage warp and scramble. Fozzie's suggestion is perfectly reasonable, I can't even fathom why he has to point out the obvious.

An interdictor lands on grid and throws out a bubble, but ten seconds later it's locked up and destroyed by the escort, by fighters, by smartbombs, by a bomber wing, or whatever. The bubble collapses, and everyone can leave like nothing happened. If you have enemies en route, you still only need to take out the interdictor and weather out the assault until warp becomes clear again.
There's a very good reason you see capital ships in real life moving in fleets of escorts and logistical/technical ships, and not the entire US carrier fleet in one bunch.

People like Shadoo literally have fleets of neutral dictor alts at their disposal. This kind of change will make it extremely painful for subcap fleets that are roaming to be going up against people who have gangs sitting on a titan with dictor alts roaming around a region.

As for this hilarity of "bring subcaps that can kill dictors/fast warping ships" LOL. We'll buy hictors with implant sets and t2 warp speed rigs if it lets us kill fleets faster. For just a whopping 30mil I can take a broadsword and give it x2 t2 warp rigs and make it go 5.9au/s. I heard that these implants are a 53% warp speed modifier?


That is a roughly 9au/s hictor. Gl finding any subcaps, other then a blob, that can deal with that fast enough. And if you don't think people like PL won't fork over the isk for a hic that gives an enemy 2-3 seconds to react then LOL. The people who will suffer the worst from this change are going to be the small guys, not us.

I see the points all the naysayers bring up, but I honestly don't see the reason they bring them up. It's not like a bubble permanently burns out the warp drive, the moment the interdictor is destroyed, the bubble collapses and everyone's free to engage warp and scramble. Fozzie's suggestion is perfectly reasonable, I can't even fathom why he has to point out the obvious.

An interdictor lands on grid and throws out a bubble, but ten seconds later it's locked up and destroyed by the escort, by fighters, by smartbombs, by a bomber wing, or whatever. The bubble collapses, and everyone can leave like nothing happened. If you have enemies en route, you still only need to take out the interdictor and weather out the assault until warp becomes clear again.
There's a very good reason you see capital ships in real life moving in fleets of escorts and logistical/technical ships, and not the entire US carrier fleet in one bunch.

it stays for over 1 min. (forgot the exact time)

We've actually got some news coming that will happen to make you happy in one way and unhappy on the other. I'll be interested in seeing the whole reaction.

And then you see what sustains the bubble, spend like ten seconds locking it up, and blow it to kingdom come with a salvo or a flight of drones. Problem solved.

Still looking forward to these changes. Will be very interesting to see the results, especially after all these tears.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=286842 is what I was referring to.

Dictor v2 rebalance changes bubble launchers significantly, and adds a lot of survivability to dictors but removes some of their warp speed in compensation.

They'll still be able to "appear" on grid with rigs and implants, but like I said before we'll be watching how these changes shake out and adjusting as needed.

It isnt just dictors though. Interceptors, particular t3 fits, and particular t2 cruiser fits can all do the same thing.

I mean, its not like you can fire on the interceptor if you get your scan res high enough, or get warning of it coming if you mash dscan often enough. It just appears on grid having already scrammed you, without appearing on dscan or appearing on grid without having locked you.

It isnt just dictors though. Interceptors, particular t3 fits, and particular t2 cruiser fits can all do the same thing.

I mean, its not like you can fire on the interceptor if you get your scan res high enough, or get warning of it coming if you mash dscan often enough. It just appears on grid having already scrammed you, without appearing on dscan or appearing on grid without having locked you.

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It's also very vulnerable to anti-support fire.

It's also very vulnerable to anti-support fire. Like I said, I'm not currently convinced that the warp speeds possible in the current Rubicon design are detrimental to the game overall. I will however be watching them very carefully so if you disagree please take advantage of the power of these ships as much as you can and enjoy the benefits while demonstrating to us why we should change it.

It's also very vulnerable to anti-support fire. Like I said, I'm not currently convinced that the warp speeds possible in the current Rubicon design are detrimental to the game overall. I will however be watching them very carefully so if you disagree please take advantage of the power of these ships as much as you can and enjoy the benefits while demonstrating to us why we should change it.

It's also very vulnerable to anti-support fire. Like I said, I'm not currently convinced that the warp speeds possible in the current Rubicon design are detrimental to the game overall. I will however be watching them very carefully so if you disagree please take advantage of the power of these ships as much as you can and enjoy the benefits while demonstrating to us why we should change it.

The interdictors are a special case though. Everything else you can just get rid of by applying sufficient firepower. If a dictor bubbles you, that bubble is there to stay for 2 minutes even if you kill it.

Like I said, I'm not currently convinced that the warp speeds possible in the current Rubicon design are detrimental to the game overall. I will however be watching them very carefully so if you disagree please take advantage of the power of these ships as much as you can and enjoy the benefits while demonstrating to us why we should change it.

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It's also very vulnerable to anti-support fire. Like I said, I'm not currently convinced that the warp speeds possible in the current Rubicon design are detrimental to the game overall. I will however be watching them very carefully so if you disagree please take advantage of the power of these ships as much as you can and enjoy the benefits while demonstrating to us why we should change it.

It's also very vulnerable to anti-support fire. Like I said, I'm not currently convinced that the warp speeds possible in the current Rubicon design are detrimental to the game overall. I will however be watching them very carefully so if you disagree please take advantage of the power of these ships as much as you can and enjoy the benefits while demonstrating to us why we should change it.

the warp speed changes are fine

the ACCELERATION from sublight speed to FTL speed that is the warp bubble is fine

the DECELERATION from FTL speed that is the warp bubble to sublight speed is not fine

Here's the key thing to remember. Virtually the entire impact of these changes is ties to deceleration. Warp top speed isn't actually changing much with the changes (and is actually going down for the fast ships), the problem we're fixing with this whole feature is how acceleration and deceleration used to be the same for all ships.

The part of this change you don't like is also virtually the only part that has any impact

Here's the key thing to remember. Virtually the entire impact of these changes is ties to deceleration. Warp top speed isn't actually changing much with the changes (and is actually going down for the fast ships), the problem we're fixing with this whole feature is how acceleration and deceleration used to be the same for all ships.

The part of this change you don't like is also virtually the only part that has any impact

IOW: Warp acceleration changes = capitals nerf?

Here's the key thing to remember. Virtually the entire impact of these changes is ties to deceleration. Warp top speed isn't actually changing much with the changes (and is actually going down for the fast ships), the problem we're fixing with this whole feature is how acceleration and deceleration used to be the same for all ships.

The part of this change you don't like is also virtually the only part that has any impact

This idea kills null sec for anyone small. IMHO being able to warp in without appearing on d-scan is a glitch. One good easy idea I read was to increase directional scan range. If your d-scan had 28au range even the fastest dictors will appear on d-scan for at least a second. Right now the future tactics you are introducing will lean toward large brawling fleets of small ships..

Here's the key thing to remember. Virtually the entire impact of these changes is ties to deceleration. Warp top speed isn't actually changing much with the changes (and is actually going down for the fast ships), the problem we're fixing with this whole feature is how acceleration and deceleration used to be the same for all ships.

The part of this change you don't like is also virtually the only part that has any impact

What about using Local as your Intel tool and not D scan?

We're aware of this behaviour and of your objections.

I disagree with your assessment that this is a major problem, but you are of course welcome to your opinion. We'll be keeping a close eye on this both before launch and after.

Nobody is gonna ban you guys for overusing this if it's too powerful, so go forth and theorycraft and prove your assertions in the wild.

I will however be watching them very carefully so if you disagree please take advantage of the power of these ships as much as you can and enjoy the benefits while demonstrating to us why we should change it.

the only problem in all this change is the "appearing" on grid part.)

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TEARS GLORIOUS TEARS

I think this about sums it up. Whether this is entirely correct or entirely wrong remains to be seen, but I don't see how can possibly be very wrong.

You have been known to be completely and utterly wrong in the past, so who knows.

leave it as it is now on the test server, Having that sudden drop out is good for both the guy warping and the guy on the field and for those that think otherwise , it wont be long before they adapt. Simply saying its bad if someone can get on grid without any notice, but on the flip side, that some someone has much less time to take in and react to the space they have landed in. Its an awesome double edge blade.

Please enlighten me...

How come everyone is saying that you are scrammed before you even see the person on grid? Strikes me as strange that apparently the server tickrate is higher for ships with high warpspeed and lower for ships on grid. You wouldn't lie on the internet, would you?!

you don't play the game I do. What i said is not an opinion it's assessment of the situation based on simple facts and years of experience, what you said is a load of usual CCP bullshit that we get every time you don't agree with what we say and then eventually backtrack.

so let me just say this straight up. YOU ARE WRONG.

When people unsub their supers and you lose 1000s of active characters maybe you'll listen.

Here's the key thing to remember. Virtually the entire impact of these changes is ties to deceleration. Warp top speed isn't actually changing much with the changes (and is actually going down for the fast ships), the problem we're fixing with this whole feature is how acceleration and deceleration used to be the same for all ships.

The part of this change you don't like is also virtually the only part that has any impact

Remember how this forum told CCP that the new launcher is broken as ****?

Please enlighten me...

How come everyone is saying that you are scrammed before you even see the person on grid? Strikes me as strange that apparently the server tickrate is higher for ships with high warpspeed and lower for ships on grid. You wouldn't lie on the internet, would you?!