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EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1348
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Posted - 2013.10.27 23:36:00 -
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We should have like some place where we can discuss ideas and talk it over.
Like this thread. |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
493
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Posted - 2013.10.28 00:28:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:On the one hand you guys say this change will do nothing, that your colossal manpower and alts will render these siphons impotent. On the other hand you say that these same impotent siphons will raise prices, even though they are "impotent," and won't accomplish anything. Cognitive dissonance much? "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks. " -General "Buck" Turgidson You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
Omega Flames
Forever Winter The Kingdom of Heaven
68
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Posted - 2013.10.28 02:04:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:On the one hand you guys say this change will do nothing, that your colossal manpower and alts will render these siphons impotent. On the other hand you say that these same impotent siphons will raise prices, even though they are "impotent," and won't accomplish anything. Cognitive dissonance much? it's called reading, you know that thing they taught you in grade school? cause if you would have done such you would see that the siphon wont hurt the goons much because they have the numbers to keep their space clear of siphons however any smaller entity (ie 99% of low sec moon mining) doesn't have the numbers and will be hurt to the point that alot of them will simply stop moon mining...which in turn means that those able to prevent the theft (ie goons) get more isk due to less supply of moon minerals on the market. how many times must we provide the evidence before yall see the light? <Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually" http://i.imgur.com/76pQ9.jpg |
Sgt Ocker
State War Academy Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2013.10.28 02:24:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:On the one hand you guys say this change will do nothing, that your colossal manpower and alts will render these siphons impotent. On the other hand you say that these same impotent siphons will raise prices, even though they are "impotent," and won't accomplish anything. Cognitive dissonance much? Newsflash, the CFC doesn't have a single hive mind. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, and those opinions may differ. So what you're saying is that no one actually knows how these changes will play out, and we should maybe see how they work on the live server before making unnecessary changes to siphons? I can live with that. As a griefing tool it is pretty clear how the current syphon mechanics will play out. Griefers are by nature pretty lazy and go for soft targets (valuable but easy to kill and or disrupt financially). The softest targets for this group will be lowsec operations which in most cases are not aligned with the CFC or any other major entity involved in moon mining, therefore often don't have the manpower to guard towers 24/7. These small operators getting taken out of the Goo industry is nothing more than profit for the bigger entities as their stockpiles alone will fetch higher prices than before and even with say a 20% reduction in their production (possible losses from the odd successful syphon). The large entities can't do anything but profit as they will be the only ones with product to sell.
Some have stated simply using syphon's to destroy moon goo by jetting syphoned product and popping cans. This too only helps the bigger groups. Less product + same demand = higher prices.
Final result, we all pay more for anything made from moon goo (and big stake holders just get richer)
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PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
439
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Posted - 2013.10.28 04:39:00 -
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Ah yes, the mythological small-entity moon miner. Much like the fabled unicorn of olde. It's simply heartwarming to see all of the larger moon mining entities rise up to the defense of the little man.
And of course, these small-entity moon miners control the most valuable of low sec moons and would naturally be the first targets of so-called griefers, unlike all of the big entities which content themselves with the more worthless moons. You lot are truly magnanimous. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4982
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Posted - 2013.10.28 05:06:00 -
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Can't wait to hear about the larger siphons There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
xttz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
249
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Posted - 2013.10.28 09:04:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Ah yes, the mythological small-entity moon miner. Much like the fabled unicorn of olde. It's simply heartwarming to see all of the larger moon mining entities rise up to the defense of the little man.
Sgt Ocker wrote: As a griefing tool it is pretty clear how the current syphon mechanics will play out. Griefers are by nature pretty lazy and go for soft targets (valuable but easy to kill and or disrupt financially). The softest targets for this group will be lowsec operations which in most cases are not aligned with the CFC or any other major entity involved in moon mining, therefore often don't have the manpower to guard towers 24/7.
'Lowsec operations' aren't necessarily moon mining. A good chunk of T2 materials are produced from low-sec reaction farms, with very little mining taking place. That's the kind of operation that will suffer most from griefing. |
Omega Flames
Forever Winter The Kingdom of Heaven
68
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Posted - 2013.10.28 10:14:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Ah yes, the mythological small-entity moon miner. Much like the fabled unicorn of olde. It's simply heartwarming to see all of the larger moon mining entities rise up to the defense of the little man.
And of course, these small-entity moon miners control the most valuable of low sec moons and would naturally be the first targets of so-called griefers, unlike all of the big entities which content themselves with the more worthless moons. You lot are truly magnanimous. *wonders when I became mythological..does this mean I get to use Zeus's thunderbolt?
go wander around lowsec for a few jumps and you will find this mythological guy isn't as rare as you imply <Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually" http://i.imgur.com/76pQ9.jpg |
Dagda Morr
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
19
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Posted - 2013.10.28 11:48:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Ah yes, the mythological small-entity moon miner. Much like the fabled unicorn of olde. It's simply heartwarming to see all of the larger moon mining entities rise up to the defense of the little man.
And of course, these small-entity moon miners control the most valuable of low sec moons and would naturally be the first targets of so-called griefers, unlike all of the big entities which content themselves with the more worthless moons. You lot are truly magnanimous.
I don't think you know much about lowsec or null - there are plenty of small groups mining a bit of cadmium here or mercury there making a few hundred mil per tower. Big entities don't care abou those moons - the effort to take and hold them is not worth it. You also have those guys that buy raw mins on buy orders, react it to add value and sell to sell orders in Jita - this is the prime way small to medium sized independant corps make money. Big groups cannot bear to shoot more POS's so ignore these towers.
However
Siphons in their current incarnation will allow large, organised groups to make swathes of low and npc null utterly worthless for this type of activity. Bearing in mind how much the cfc spent on grifing miners and jita, the trivial cost and small size of these units are made for spamming every reaction tower or mining tower in lowsec and npc null. We will likely take a bit of a hit but we are just going to organise to sweep our towers - we'll do it even though we hate it becasue it will drive up the profit for us to spend on making other people cry.
Siphons are not bad - we don't need a limit on them, they just need to be bigger and cost a bit more. When you can fill a blockade runner with a hundred for just a billion and shutdown a POS-based income in a constellation solo, ccp need to have a look if this is really what they want or intend.
Nullsec will adapt - the guys "intended" to be hurt by this will adapt, and they will make a point of abusing it until its nerfed just for the smug satisfaction of being right. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
610
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Posted - 2013.10.28 12:31:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Ah yes, the mythological small-entity moon miner. Much like the fabled unicorn of olde. It's simply heartwarming to see all of the larger moon mining entities rise up to the defense of the little man.
And of course, these small-entity moon miners control the most valuable of low sec moons and would naturally be the first targets of so-called griefers, unlike all of the big entities which content themselves with the more worthless moons. You lot are truly magnanimous. Mythological? I'd wager that at least in lo sec, the vast majority of non-goo producing moons are held by small corporations and alliances. And these moons are where the bulk of T2 reactions take place.
As a reaction moon owner falling under "small corporations", I can tell you with confidence I will close shop if I get hit with these to the point where it is no longer profitable, as I simply cannot babysit my moons 24/7, unlike the larger alliances. It's not hard to see how the introduction of syphons will end benefiting the largest alliances, not hurting them.
Between grief players targeting smaller corps (as these are the softest and easiest targets) and large alliances incentivizing the use of siphons on their competitors it has now become extremely easy to knock out the smaller moon owners out of the way. |
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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
1302
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Posted - 2013.10.28 12:40:00 -
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[quote=MatrixSkye Mk2]Mythological? I'd wager that at least in lo sec, the vast majority of non-goo producing moons are held by small corporations and alliances. And these moons are where the bulk of T2 reactions take place.
As a reaction moon owner falling under "small corporations", I can tell you with confidence I will close shop if I get hit with these to the point where it is no longer profitable, as I simply cannot babysit my moons 24/7, unlike the larger alliances. It's not hard to see how the introduction of syphons will end benefiting the largest alliances, not hurting them./quote] You can't siphon from complex reaction arrays... Nyan |
Dagda Morr
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
21
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Posted - 2013.10.28 12:44:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Mythological? I'd wager that at least in lo sec, the vast majority of non-goo producing moons are held by small corporations and alliances. And these moons are where the bulk of T2 reactions take place.
As a reaction moon owner falling under "small corporations", I can tell you with confidence I will close shop if I get hit with these to the point where it is no longer profitable, as I simply cannot babysit my moons 24/7, unlike the larger alliances. It's not hard to see how the introduction of syphons will end benefiting the largest alliances, not hurting them. You can't siphon from complex reaction arrays...
The simple reactants have to come from somewhere...... |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
1302
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Posted - 2013.10.28 12:59:00 -
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Dagda Morr wrote:Rakshasa Taisab wrote:You can't siphon from complex reaction arrays... The simple reactants have to come from somewhere...... Only endpoints can be siphoned, so just do the simple reaction as an input to the complex, nothing will be stolen. Nyan |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
611
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Posted - 2013.10.28 12:59:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Mythological? I'd wager that at least in lo sec, the vast majority of non-goo producing moons are held by small corporations and alliances. And these moons are where the bulk of T2 reactions take place.
As a reaction moon owner falling under "small corporations", I can tell you with confidence I will close shop if I get hit with these to the point where it is no longer profitable, as I simply cannot babysit my moons 24/7, unlike the larger alliances. It's not hard to see how the introduction of syphons will end benefiting the largest alliances, not hurting them. You can't siphon from complex reaction arrays... YET Fixed.
In any case, I wasn't referring to complex reactions alone. You need moon and intermediate materials for complex reactions. The effect trickles up. |
Mister McDerp
University of Caille Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:38:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote:Dagda Morr wrote:Rakshasa Taisab wrote:You can't siphon from complex reaction arrays... The simple reactants have to come from somewhere...... Only endpoints can be siphoned, so just do the simple reaction as an input to the complex, nothing will be stolen.
Fairly sure that is wrong, it will steal from the simple reaction as it is "unloading" into the silo. |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
397
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:28:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:On the one hand you guys say this change will do nothing, that your colossal manpower and alts will render these siphons impotent. On the other hand you say that these same impotent siphons will raise prices, even though they are "impotent," and won't accomplish anything. Cognitive dissonance much?
Something can be ****** for everyone while still being significantly more ****** for you than it is for me. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
1302
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Posted - 2013.10.28 15:06:00 -
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Mister McDerp wrote:Rakshasa Taisab wrote:Dagda Morr wrote:Rakshasa Taisab wrote:You can't siphon from complex reaction arrays... The simple reactants have to come from somewhere...... Only endpoints can be siphoned, so just do the simple reaction as an input to the complex, nothing will be stolen. Fairly sure that is wrong, it will steal from the simple reaction as it is "unloading" into the silo. Fairly sure you need to read the devblog again and understand how the system works. Nyan |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
611
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Posted - 2013.10.28 16:18:00 -
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Yeep wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:On the one hand you guys say this change will do nothing, that your colossal manpower and alts will render these siphons impotent. On the other hand you say that these same impotent siphons will raise prices, even though they are "impotent," and won't accomplish anything. Cognitive dissonance much? Something can be ****** for everyone while still being significantly more ****** for you than it is for me. Yup. And this is exactly why this change will end up benefiting the power bloc alliances. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
1302
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Posted - 2013.10.28 16:40:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Yup. And this is exactly why this change will end up benefiting the power bloc alliances. Cause they are the ones that live in the space where their moons are~~~ Nyan |
PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
441
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Posted - 2013.10.28 20:05:00 -
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Omega Flames wrote: *wonders when I became mythological..does this mean I get to use Zeus's thunderbolt?
go wander around lowsec for a few jumps and you will find this mythological guy isn't as rare as you imply
How many dyspro moons are held by small lowsec entities? How many dyspro moons are held by the larger entities? What about other R64's? Yeah, exactly.
Many small entities do indeed run complex reactions in lowsec, but those aren't affected by these particular siphons. If and when siphons are introduced that do have an effect on reaction arrays, then those siphons can be adjusted as necessary.
If you think people are going to siphon R8 moons held by the little guy instead of siphoning R64 moons held by the big guys, you need to have your head examined.
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Yup. And this is exactly why this change will end up benefiting the power bloc alliances. Cause they are the ones that live in the space where their moons are~~~ Truly, their concern for the little guy is touching. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4987
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Posted - 2013.10.28 21:25:00 -
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Keep it up guys, the goons are terrified There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Zakhin Desver
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.10.28 21:42:00 -
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Dagda Morr wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Ah yes, the mythological small-entity moon miner. Much like the fabled unicorn of olde. It's simply heartwarming to see all of the larger moon mining entities rise up to the defense of the little man.
And of course, these small-entity moon miners control the most valuable of low sec moons and would naturally be the first targets of so-called griefers, unlike all of the big entities which content themselves with the more worthless moons. You lot are truly magnanimous. I don't think you know much about lowsec or null - there are plenty of small groups mining a bit of cadmium here or mercury there making a few hundred mil per tower. Big entities don't care abou those moons - the effort to take and hold them is not worth it. You also have those guys that buy raw mins on buy orders, react it to add value and sell to sell orders in Jita - this is the prime way small to medium sized independant corps make money. Big groups cannot bear to shoot more POS's so ignore these towers. However Siphons in their current incarnation will allow large, organised groups to make swathes of low and npc null utterly worthless for this type of activity. Bearing in mind how much the cfc spent on grifing miners and jita, the trivial cost and small size of these units are made for spamming every reaction tower or mining tower in lowsec and npc null. We will likely take a bit of a hit but we are just going to organise to sweep our towers - we'll do it even though we hate it becasue it will drive up the profit for us to spend on making other people cry. Siphons are not bad - we don't need a limit on them, they just need to be bigger and cost a bit more. When you can fill a blockade runner with a hundred for just a billion and shutdown a POS-based income in a constellation solo, ccp need to have a look if this is really what they want or intend. Nullsec will adapt - the guys "intended" to be hurt by this will adapt, and they will make a point of abusing it until its nerfed just for the smug satisfaction of being right.
I have said it several times. Banning syphons from lowsec means problem solved for little alliances. Rebalance the moongoo in lowsec in case there is any problem (but it shouldn't be) |
PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
449
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Posted - 2013.10.28 21:53:00 -
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Zakhin Desver wrote:
I have said it several times. Banning syphons from lowsec means problem solved for little alliances. Rebalance the moongoo in lowsec in case there is any problem (but it shouldn't be)
I agree, It is important to protect the lowsec R32 and R64 assets of small entities like pandemic legion. |
Miner Hottie
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
43
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Posted - 2013.10.28 23:23:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Mara Tessidar wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Mara Tessidar wrote:Frothgar wrote:So tell me, what incentive does Joe Schmoe have to pop a syphon, when it lets him take a resource his alliance was never going to share with him in the first place. Why am I not surprised a TriumvirateDOT guy is posting this? Why am I not surprised a Goonswarm FEDERATION guy is trying to make some Ad Hominem attack? First of all, no one gives a sh it what kind of fancy-pants Latin name an insult qualifies as. Secondly, in this case, it's entirely based on fact--Triumvirate was, like the original NC and others, corrupt and financially opaque. If you'd like to submit that Goonswarm Federation is "just as bad" you'll have to somehow get rid of our API-based finance spreadsheets that are public and convince everyone that we don't make money so that people can have fun. I'm sure you'll do a good job of that Marlona, just like you've done a good job convincing me that the siphons are not in fact going to be used precisely as every GSF/CFC/reasonably intelligent person in this thread has said. The fact you guys rely so heavily on API is why you guys are furious about having to actually have eyes out in your space to watch for the siphons. What can I say, but perhaps you guys should undock and go check them on your own initiative instead of waiting for some API finance team telling you what to do. Free will bro. Embrace it.
Demands we patrol and watch our space, outsources living in his space to renters. Claims moons are passive AFK income, demands passive AFK module to grief them. Has bare facts pointed out to him, demands ISD stop Goons trolling him. Yup Marlona Sky, Cognitive Dissonance is your real name. It's all about how hot my mining lasers get. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4988
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Posted - 2013.10.29 01:17:00 -
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Miner Hottie wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Mara Tessidar wrote: First of all, no one gives a shit what kind of fancy-pants Latin name an insult qualifies as. Secondly, in this case, it's entirely based on fact--Triumvirate was, like the original NC and others, corrupt and financially opaque.
If you'd like to submit that Goonswarm Federation is "just as bad" you'll have to somehow get rid of our API-based finance spreadsheets that are public and convince everyone that we don't make money so that people can have fun. I'm sure you'll do a good job of that Marlona, just like you've done a good job convincing me that the siphons are not in fact going to be used precisely as every GSF/CFC/reasonably intelligent person in this thread has said.
The fact you guys rely so heavily on API is why you guys are furious about having to actually have eyes out in your space to watch for the siphons. What can I say, but perhaps you guys should undock and go check them on your own initiative instead of waiting for some API finance team telling you what to do. Free will bro. Embrace it. Demands we patrol and watch our space, outsources living in his space to renters. Claims moons are passive AFK income, demands passive AFK module to grief them. Has bare facts pointed out to him, demands ISD stop Goons trolling him. Yup Marlona Sky, Cognitive Dissonance is your real name. As long as the renters are patroling and watching the space, what is the problem?
Since they prioneered the afk pvp concept, why bother. They also probably learned from Pandemic "our supers, so many some don't even have subscriptions anymore" Legion.
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
NinjaTurtle
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
46
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Posted - 2013.10.29 04:25:00 -
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The griefing potential is there and it seems super cool. I just don't get why you'd design them to allow more than one on a single pos AND have them pull a flat value instead of a percentage. Does that really not seem broken?
If you're going to allow more than one they need to NOT pull the entire moon miner's output once you've anchored two of them... (In the instance of say a straight mining tower) Co-host and editor of Declarations of War Podcast http://declarationsofwar.com Twitter- @schertt |
Sgt Ocker
State War Academy Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2013.10.29 05:18:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Zakhin Desver wrote:
I have said it several times. Banning syphons from lowsec means problem solved for little alliances. Rebalance the moongoo in lowsec in case there is any problem (but it shouldn't be)
I agree, It is important to protect the lowsec R32 and R64 assets of small entities like pandemic legion. And of course because we don't know if XYZ corp with 1 R32 is aligned with PL or Goons we need to take it out as well, just in case or simply because it is easy as they are going to be soft targets due to limited numbers to defend their pos's. Meanwhile, those with the most to lose sit back and begin to count the profits as they DON'T have moons in lowsec AND DO have the ability to protect their operations.
Screw it all lets just stick to syphoning pos's in lowsec and npc nul, they are much easier to hit than those 30+ jumps into hostile nulsec (where the major isk is made)
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4988
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Posted - 2013.10.29 05:23:00 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Zakhin Desver wrote:
I have said it several times. Banning syphons from lowsec means problem solved for little alliances. Rebalance the moongoo in lowsec in case there is any problem (but it shouldn't be)
I agree, It is important to protect the lowsec R32 and R64 assets of small entities like pandemic legion. And of course because we don't know if XYZ corp with 1 R32 is aligned with PL or Goons we need to take it out as well, just in case or simply because it is easy as they are going to be soft targets due to limited numbers to defend their pos's. Meanwhile, those with the most to lose sit back and begin to count the profits as they DON'T have moons in lowsec AND DO have the ability to protect their operations. Screw it all lets just stick to syphoning pos's in lowsec and npc nul, they are much easier to hit than those 30+ jumps into hostile nulsec (where the major isk is made) The blue donut is pretty deep and can be annoying to get to the corners of...
However, CCP has given you the new gate jumping animation, which you will get to watch many times over ! There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Sgt Ocker
State War Academy Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2013.10.29 08:47:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Zakhin Desver wrote:
I have said it several times. Banning syphons from lowsec means problem solved for little alliances. Rebalance the moongoo in lowsec in case there is any problem (but it shouldn't be)
I agree, It is important to protect the lowsec R32 and R64 assets of small entities like pandemic legion. And of course because we don't know if XYZ corp with 1 R32 is aligned with PL or Goons we need to take it out as well, just in case or simply because it is easy as they are going to be soft targets due to limited numbers to defend their pos's. Meanwhile, those with the most to lose sit back and begin to count the profits as they DON'T have moons in lowsec AND DO have the ability to protect their operations. Screw it all lets just stick to syphoning pos's in lowsec and npc nul, they are much easier to hit than those 30+ jumps into hostile nulsec (where the major isk is made) The blue donut is pretty deep and can be annoying to get to the corners of... However, CCP has given you the new gate jumping animation, which you will get to watch many times over ! Nope, I like most others simply won't waste my time. Spending time in nul looking for a fight once in a while is ok but going there to sit and watch isk simply go boom for nothing is not my idea of fun. 10mil isk at a time doesn't sound much but lose 10 or 15 of them it starts to add up. Even if I did successfully manage to syphon enough to make the risk and time spent viable, I have no way of moving it out of nul to try and sell it. Could use a Blockade runner but putting up 10 syphon's then hanging around for 24hrs hoping no-one finds them ( or emptying them every few hours, LOL) so you can collect your harvest?? Pfff, I can think of many other things I'd rather do
Goons are on a big win with syphon's for now, enjoy it.
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Dagda Morr
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
23
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Posted - 2013.10.29 09:40:00 -
[1410] - Quote
PotatoOverdose wrote:Omega Flames wrote: *wonders when I became mythological..does this mean I get to use Zeus's thunderbolt?
go wander around lowsec for a few jumps and you will find this mythological guy isn't as rare as you imply
How many dyspro moons are held by small lowsec entities? How many dyspro moons are held by the larger entities? What about other R64's? Yeah, exactly. Many small entities do indeed run complex reactions in lowsec, but those aren't affected by these particular siphons. If and when siphons are introduced that do have an effect on reaction arrays, then those siphons can be adjusted as necessary. If you think people are going to siphon R8 moons held by the little guy instead of siphoning R64 moons held by the big guys, you need to have your head examined. Rakshasa Taisab wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Yup. And this is exactly why this change will end up benefiting the power bloc alliances. Cause they are the ones that live in the space where their moons are~~~ Truly, their concern for the little guy is touching.
You are completely detatched from reality - plenty of small entities run simple reactions in low and NPC space all the time. Just becasue you are incredibly poorly informed and desperate to join on a bandwagon does not make what you say true.
You are right that nobody cares about R8 moons - but you should have a look at what cadmium, caesium and chromium moons ect are worth if you mine them. Plenty of small and medium sized groups hold these - and they run simple reactions to feed complex reactions since the margins on buying simple mats to react is so slim it's not worthwhile,
I am sure that R64s held by the big guys will get siphoned, but they are going to be emptied and popped on such a regular basis that it's goign to become worthless dropping them. At the same time the big guys are going to use these to grief everyone and anyone they can - simply as revenge for being made to do ****** sweeps of their moons to remove siphons. The best way to demonstrate the stupidy of a mechanic is to take it to the nth degree till the entire player base is screaming about how horrid it is. If it makes people angry and creates forum tears it will be worth the money spent - maybe the mechanic will be revisited then and made workable. |
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