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Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
452
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:08:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote:You are in a small corp so you'd know all about it.
We know all about griefing small corporations. Your 33 man corp operate from 1400 to 2100, exclusively. Lots of time if we find one of your moons doing reactions. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1366
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:09:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:MeBiatch wrote: how many poses do you have 100's? you are litterally going to spend every day doing this?
you will burn out pretty darn fast... why not do what goons are going to do and shift the defence to local renters?
seems much more managable...
still not any sort of pvp, it's "notice structure, pop structure"
if you have renters in each contilation they will spend the majority of said time you know doing what null bears do and that is rat.
more people = more targets = more regular pvp...
though our definition of pvp is different does pvp to you means only giant sov blob grinds? There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5262
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:09:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote: granted that sov needs to be reworked much like they did with FW...
this is our basic point. this would be a neat feature with a sov rework. but they're not going to actually do that. they're going to push it off until SOON(tm) along with the use for sov4 and sov5, all of the iterations on ihubs that would supposedly come, the last t3 subsystem, the 'farms and fields', the pos revamp, and anything else that might actually improve 0.0 |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1296
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:10:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:IrJosy wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Vatek wrote: Renters will pay us x amount of isk per month to mine specific R64 moons in their rented space, they are then responsible for dealing with siphons on their towers. If they end up losing money because their moons are being siphoned heavily, that's their problem.
so you are saying that 0.0 will have to be populated to be profitable? and this is somehow a bad thing? i think its great... you guys can be like the mob providing protection against actual pos attacks for a montly fee. its a win win for everyone involved... space gets filled people make isk and i get to kill people ratting. dont see the problem really. How many New York Times articles have brought new players to the game with the headline: "Eve Online: An online spaceship game where you pay space protection money to live in a world completely devoid of conflict" ? how will this be devoid of conflict? from my perspective it will increase the conflics. i wonder what would happen if you found out that one of your allies are the ones who are using thier alts to steel your moon mins... that could lead to some epic drama and that is where conflict drivers come from... human interaction. granted that sov needs to be reworked much like they did with FW...
Except not. This is just AWOXing in another form and has been a drama free mechanic in null for years now. Boot, reimburse, move on.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
452
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:11:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:if you have renters in each contilation they will spend the majority of said time you know doing what null bears do and that is rat.
more people = more targets = more regular pvp...
though our definition of pvp is different does pvp to you means only giant sov blob grinds?
Yeah, shooting ratters, quality pvp there. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5262
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:11:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote: if you have renters in each contilation they will spend the majority of said time you know doing what null bears do and that is rat.
more people = more targets = more regular pvp...
though our definition of pvp is different does pvp to you means only giant sov blob grinds?
a game where the highest form of combat is ganking a renter every so often is a boring, stagnated game
don't get me wrong the loss of low-level ganking has been a problem but renting is a ****** way to solve it because it makes actual high-level combat die off |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1335
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:15:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:I think the intention is that roaming gangs can dump them and the sov holders have an incentive to come out and stop them. Not really. Due to the rate these work, you need to wait several hours for any results. This only encourages dropping siphons, cloaking AFK in the system, playing a better game for a few hours, and returning to scoop the loot. Since the siphons fit in literally anything and don't require any level of protection or setup time, there is no need to have a gang with you to set them up. |
Mehashi 'Kho
Idiot with a gun
84
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:19:00 -
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Sounds great! I look forward to trying these out. Will be awesome to finally have a way as a smaller entity to cause damage to a larger one that doesn't take efforts to monitor it's assets.
The flood of whiny pos owners too used to afk income makes it even better.
The suggestions of having to sit at a tower for 23 hours are hilarious, but a false dichotomy between afk or full attendance. If you have members using your space there will be little impact. Neutrals (I hope) would be reported in your moon systems, maybe once every few hours someone runs a dscan, tough work I know, and the idea that 2 minutes to destroy the syphon and secure your assets is too much work is pathetic.
Can't wait for these to roll out on tq. I am only hoping that just because a very large entity whines a lot you don't go back on your vision of guerilla warfare going forward. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
457
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:21:00 -
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Kismeteer wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:Smaller alliances and corps don't own moons. Some exception here and there A lot of smaller alliances and corps do run reactions though.
Yeah Null alliances alts. All others still fit in the exception. BALEX is recruiting -----> tinyurl.com/oscmmlv |
Farrell Jay
Hoover Inc. Black Legion.
24
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:22:00 -
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These would have been really useful when moon mining was the primary source of income for a large portion of 0.0 alliances, it seems a little strange that this would be introduced now at a time when rental income far outweighs any profit that can be made from moons. Unless ccp introduces a module that siphons rental income (that would be awesome btw) I don't think this concept will have a major impact in the foreseeable future. |
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Fix Lag
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
572
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:22:00 -
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HEY CCP TOTAL DISCLAIMER HERE
WE'RE GOING TO ABUSE THIS FOR ABSURD TRILLIONS IN PROFITS
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
DON'T BE ALL LIKE "WELL THAT'S TOO MUCH MONEY SO YOU HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK" LIKE YOU DID WITH FOREX
YOU
HAVE
BEEN
WARNED |
Benjamin Hamburg
SnaiLs aNd FroGs Verge of Collapse
27
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:23:00 -
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Kismeteer wrote:This actually hurts small operations way worse.
1. Find 1 man reaction/moon mining corp. 2. Find out his schedule, go to sleep, when he wakes up. 3. Wait for him to sleep. 4. You now have a timer to drop, and rescoop when it's done.
Reality, this hurts the small guy way more on an individual level. Because it's without risk if you know the guy's schedule. And while he's sitting in pos, waiting for someone to drop a siphon, he's not really playing eve, is he?
Since when GSF care for one man corp operation? Is that has anything to do with the fact half of nullsec is currently owned by CFC? Coincidence. |
Fix Lag
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
572
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:23:00 -
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You can't say we didn't try. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1367
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:24:00 -
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Kismeteer wrote:MeBiatch wrote:if you have renters in each contilation they will spend the majority of said time you know doing what null bears do and that is rat.
more people = more targets = more regular pvp...
though our definition of pvp is different does pvp to you means only giant sov blob grinds? Yeah, shooting ratters, quality pvp there.
It is for me... kill enough of them and they start forming defense fleets. .. so there is potential for increased small scale pvp... plus I thought goons loved killing miners and frieghters snd such so is this not right up your alley?
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Brienna Torsti
CAS Technologies and Logistics Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:25:00 -
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I'm going to have so much fun spamming these around regions.
It's going to be great. Anchor them, forget about them, annoy someone somewhere who's doing a 1 man operation. Minimum effort griefing.
But please, CCP. The API is utterly ****** as it is... Fix it before breaking it on purpose. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
461
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:25:00 -
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- Big nullsec alliances crying...check - Small entities joying...check
Feature is good to go :D BALEX is recruiting -----> tinyurl.com/oscmmlv |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1104
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:25:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote: I think the intention is that roaming gangs can dump them and the sov holders have an incentive to come out and stop them.
they don't need any kind of protection to be set up and there is no fixed time where they can be emptied
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Gekkoh
Preferred Nomenclature AB Care Factor
2
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:28:00 -
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mynnna wrote:This isn't a bad mechanic, it's just mistimed. The tools and and incentives to want to willingly live in a smaller footprint, don't exist, and so mechanics and meta dictate that to not spread as far as you are able is to allow your enemy to do it instead. But instead of fixing that, creating those tools and incentives, and then introducing them at the same time as things like this, CCP is just hauling back and aiming a big kick in the balls at anyone playing by the current rules.
Spouting off that the solution is to just do that anyway is foolish and naive.
Oh, now that's interesting.
It seems that you're hinting at unannounced CCP plans to change null so that we end up with smaller, more concentrated entities, while incentivizing more players to come to null?
That would be a good thing.
A very good thing.
If that's so, I wish they'd expand on those plans :-)
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5266
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:29:00 -
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Benjamin Hamburg wrote: Since when GSF care for one man corp operation? Is that has anything to do with the fact half of nullsec is currently owned by CFC? Coincidence.
It does. We're basically out of people to kill, and 0.0 is getting fairly stagnant and boring. |
ONE-MAN WOLF-PACK
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
1
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:30:00 -
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Bubanni wrote:would be awesome if it could be placed outside point/web range of pos'es, perhaps later versions can be placed further away? (placed so it's still within turret range, but in range where one can go scoop, and warp, even if getting shot a little by the pos)
its almost like they want people to work together to rob poses. aka fun |
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Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
454
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:30:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:they don't need any kind of protection to be set up and there is no fixed time where they can be emptied
Sounds like a great way to get lots of pvp. Drop in a rookie ship that costs nothing, wait 20 hours, come back with a hauler and maybe scoop a full load of material! yay pvp! |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5266
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:30:00 -
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Gekkoh wrote: Oh, now that's interesting.
It seems that you're hinting at unannounced CCP plans to change null so that we end up with smaller, more concentrated entities, while incentivizing more players to come to null?
That would be a good thing.
A very good thing.
If that's so, I wish they'd expand on those plans :-)
CCP has had "plans" for this for the better part of a decade. It's follow-through they need. |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
1385
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:33:00 -
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Thieves tapping into oil pipelines need to worry about two things:
A cataclysmic 'oops.' Defeating the leak detection software.
This could be alot more interesting. |
Benjamin Hamburg
SnaiLs aNd FroGs Verge of Collapse
29
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:33:00 -
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When you just have a couple of POS to manage, it won't be complicated to get rid off these syphons. The worse that will happen is that you loose a couple of hour of production. And for a killmail, rest assured that you will have an horde of people in lowsec that will be ready to shoot them even if it's not their towers.
What it will impact, is if you have a loadfull of POS. That one that is in a corner of you space nobody never visit, will maybe have half a dozen siphons when you will go there to fuel it/haul back your goo. And that's the whole point of it. |
Maximus Andendare
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
677
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:33:00 -
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Kismeteer wrote:Rakshasa Taisab wrote:You are in a small corp so you'd know all about it. We know all about griefing small corporations. Your 33 man corp operate from 1400 to 2100, exclusively. Lots of time if we find one of your moons doing reactions. Switching from spin ("This isn't going to bother us at all!") to scare tactics ("We know where you sleep")! I like it! But you have to get back on message that this is no big deal for large null alliances, it'll make things cost more, blah blah. You don't want to fall behind on your spin points for the day. I see many members of the Goon Economic Warefare Cabal posting here today trying to deliver that message, so hopefully we'll all buy it.
But that leads me to another question: why should any of us believe that you're delivering honest feedback? You've publicly expressed that you're members of the Economic Warfare Goon committee, so since that's your purpose anyway, where do you think your credibility comes from? Authoritarian speaking? Threats?
Again, the large backlash from the larger null groups here shows that CCP is on the right track, promoting tactics smaller corps can use to fight back against groups they'd be way outmanned in a "normal" fight. What's the icing on the cake is that some of the large null groups are delivering honest feedback ("This will suck for us having to monitor our large POS empires") and some are trying so hard to spin that it won't be a big deal at all ("This won't affect us much at all...").
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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
1265
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:34:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Benjamin Hamburg wrote: Since when GSF care for one man corp operation? Is that has anything to do with the fact half of nullsec is currently owned by CFC? Coincidence.
It does. We're basically out of people to kill, and 0.0 is getting fairly stagnant and boring. Good news everyone, CCP has just implemented one such feature! Nyan |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5267
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:38:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote: Good news everyone, CCP has just implemented one such feature!
While I'm not sure why I would expect the person who thought anom and sig scanning uncovered things like this siphon would grasp gameplay mechanic issues, this will not lead to more small entities in 0.0. Because we'll squash them and then rent their space back to them. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1368
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:40:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:- Big nullsec alliances crying...check - Small entities joying...check
Feature is good to go :D
as good as a litmus test for a feature if i ever heard of one. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
1267
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:41:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Rakshasa Taisab wrote: Good news everyone, CCP has just implemented one such feature!
While I'm not sure why I would expect the person who thought anom and sig scanning uncovered things like this siphon would grasp gameplay mechanic issues, this will not lead to more small entities in 0.0. Because we'll squash them and then rent their space back to them. Yes, I know it would be difficult for someone like you to understand how people who do sig scanning would be able to detect siphoning structures. Nyan |
Anharat
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
67
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:42:00 -
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Maximus Andendare wrote:Kismeteer wrote:Rakshasa Taisab wrote:You are in a small corp so you'd know all about it. We know all about griefing small corporations. Your 33 man corp operate from 1400 to 2100, exclusively. Lots of time if we find one of your moons doing reactions. Switching from spin ("This isn't going to bother us at all!") to scare tactics ("We know where you sleep")! I like it! But you have to get back on message that this is no big deal for large null alliances, it'll make things cost more, blah blah. You don't want to fall behind on your spin points for the day. I see many members of the Goon Economic Warefare Cabal posting here today trying to deliver that message, so hopefully we'll all buy it. But that leads me to another question: why should any of us believe that you're delivering honest feedback? You've publicly expressed that you're members of the Economic Warfare Goon committee, so since that's your purpose anyway, where do you think your credibility comes from? Authoritarian speaking? Threats? Again, the large backlash from the larger null groups here shows that CCP is on the right track, promoting tactics smaller corps can use to fight back against groups they'd be way outmanned in a "normal" fight. What's the icing on the cake is that some of the large null groups are delivering honest feedback ("This will suck for us having to monitor our large POS empires") and some are trying so hard to spin that it won't be a big deal at all ("This won't affect us much at all..."). Except that that is not the feedback. The feedback is : we would just need to hand our moons to renters and make them pay for it and in turn use the siphon to grief other renters / people that didn't notice the meta change yet.
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