It gives me great pleasure to see how retardedly stupid that many of the posters on this topic are.

The big players in Goonswarm are pointing out obvious flaws in the design of this "feature". Everyone assumes that it will result in Goonswarm tears about lost income, boo hoo hoo.

What you retards fail to understand, is that if CCP continues to go down this path, with this terribly implemented feature, that we are going to use our vast infrastructure and playerbase to DECIMATE moon production everywhere in EVE....for everyone.

You all thought the Threadnaught was bad, lol, you have no ******* clue.

As for CCP. Really, the API is going to LIE now? What's the ******* point? Who the **** thought that was a good idea? Are you all ******* morons now? Is there anyone at CCP with a ******* brain anymore?

That won't remove the problem. It may, MAY mitigate it somewhat, but even that isn't very likely. No, to fix this all you would need to do is limit the number of siphons per POS to just one. If that happens, it will revert back to its original purpose.. as a tool for the little guy to use against the big guy. Sure, the big guy can still use it, but the interaction would be a much more equal ground.

K. We live and play in our space and will just blow them up shortly after they are dropped.

I wonder how opinions on these would change if having one in your cargohold prevented your cloak from operating.

Instead of covops/T2 industrials, you'd probably see them dropped mostly by warp stabbed interceptors...

Making these 20m3 in size and having no limit on how many can be placed on one tower is a horrible design decision. One pilot in a blockade runner could seed a nullsec region with hundreds of these and shut down all moon mining income until the owners of the towers show up to pos gun them all to death.

Then they can just go get more and do it again and again and again.

Reading the blog: There is no anchoring/onlining time.
Warp in.
Rightclick > Deploy
Warp out.

5s at max. POS modules take much longer to lock in frigates.

You say that like it's a bad thing...

CFC space is not behind some impregnable wall. Anyone can get into CFC systems at anytime, and with the new interceptor changes, people will be able to get in much easier. CFC/GSF will not be able to grief EVE with this feature. In fact the opposite will occur. Random entities will start to grief every CFC/GSF system, and I'm not talking about renter systems.

Right, because we all know Tech2 climbing through the roof is good for everyone

Yes, finally a gameplay element that favours high-degrees of coordination, large numbers, and a willingness to spam and grind structures.

Goons are so screwed.

Not. The API will lie about the content. Sorry thought that was clear.

For the uninitiated, rule #1 is never stop posting.

This is the definitive proof that CCP has decided that EVE in its current form, with a completely stagnant user base, is just a cash cow to support their console efforts. From now on it's going to be nothing but adding more zero-risk griefing in order to move us further into MOBA spreadsheet territory. I think at this point a lot of people must be realizing that pushing PLEX has become not only CCP's main job, but its only job.

The dumbest thing about this is that siphons were originally proposed (by Jade Constantine, no less!) as a way for small gang PVPers to force fights from larger alliances that usually just ignore irritants that doesn't threaten sov. You'd use a siphon and the big guys would get a "someone's stealing your moongoo" alert, and they'd be forced to assemble a gang to go deal with it.

That original idea had problems from timezone issues. But this implementation will see zero fights over siphons. Zero. They can be dropped by a cloaky covops, they'll be killed by solo semi-AFK drone boats (hover your domi 10 meters outside the pos shield and let heavies do the work) .


So an idea that was about generating more PVP has become a boringly safe annoyance. Even if (that's a big IF) it's successful at harming the sprawling goon empire, it will do so is the most tedious way possible. GSF will tire of upkeep on the moons of Delve and sell the region to Russians or something. Pubbies will cheer at Goons being forced to retreat. 6 months from now, after the excitement has worn off, siphons will only be used by those more interested in grief than profit. Another dull feature in an increasing dull game that continually de-emphasizes it's sole exciting feature, PVP.

The dumbest thing about this is that siphons were originally proposed (by Jade Constantine, no less!) as a way for small gang PVPers to force fights from larger alliances that usually just ignore irritants that doesn't threaten sov. You'd use a siphon and the big guys would get a "someone's stealing your moongoo" alert, and they'd be forced to assemble a gang to go deal with it.

That original idea had problems from timezone issues. But this implementation will see zero fights over siphons. Zero. They can be dropped by a cloaky covops, they'll be killed by solo semi-AFK drone boats (hover your domi 10 meters outside the pos shield and let heavies do the work) .


So an idea that was about generating more PVP has become a boringly safe annoyance. Even if (that's a big IF) it's successful at harming the sprawling goon empire, it will do so is the most tedious way possible. GSF will tire of upkeep on the moons of Delve and sell the region to Russians or something. Pubbies will cheer at Goons being forced to retreat. 6 months from now, after the excitement has worn off, siphons will only be used by those more interested in grief than profit. Another dull feature in an increasing dull game that continually de-emphasizes it's sole exciting feature, PVP.

Hey, saved me the typing I couldnt be assed to do.

Hi5s, brohammer. More structure spam and grind is the last thing nullsec needs.

Not. The API will lie about the content. Sorry thought that was clear.

so, afk cloaking is now issue after at this time - because goons are affected. who knew?!