With a max 50km deploy range, you'll always be in the range of POS guns when you deploy the syphon. You can't cloak while locked and interceptors have almost no tank. Not sure how AFK cloaking is a problem here.

Siphon units are deployed the same as other personal deployables, where you just need to deploy, there is no anchoring or onlining. Once deployed, a siphon unit cannot be scooped up again. The name of the player that deployed the siphon unit is visible in Show Info.

Not going to get involved with the main debate, but just wanted to mention:

If a Siphon has 100k EHP, they're going to be really annoying to kill with anything but POS guns. So the idea that people who "use their space" will be protected is not really effective. Most members of the corp/alliance that has the moon are not able to use the POS guns (both permissions, and the anchoring 5 requirement to train the skill).

So if a guy sees a siphon on one of his alliance towers and wants to get rid of it, they'd have to shoot the thing for almost 2 minutes even with a high-dps BS or T3 BC. Much longer with a ship that someone might fly as a roaming patrol. That's a pretty annoying chore when they can be pooped out by the dozen.


With the things costing 10mil and being incredibly spammable, I'd hope you go with the very low side of that proposed EHP. If the idea is to promote nullsec alliances having better cooperation and "living in their space", it's dumb to make them into bricks that need to be shot with POS guns to clear.

With a max 50km deploy range, you'll always be in the range of POS guns when you deploy the syphon. You can't cloak while locked and interceptors have almost no tank. Not sure how AFK cloaking is a problem here.

POS guns take a long time to lock and these have no anchor or online timers. You can launch one and immedlately warp off.

benny is wrong

benny is wrong

I don't think people in this thread realize we might be the least impacted of any null-sec entity. We have already planned for this possibility. The people that will be hurt by this are the guys without rental empires. Size doesn't matter. Organization does.

We are actually in by far the best position, in that we have a bunch of newbies who will run around finding and killing these things for a bounty. Can smaller alliances and corps say that?

Make it so you can offline and make it cloak please.

See, this is the caliber of person that supports this: the kind that thinks that scanning for sigs or anoms is the same kind of scanning that would turn up a siphon.

Indeed, and because of this I'm surprised that you've failed to see the potential for your alliance.

As you say, your alliance will be much better placed to deal with the consequences than your competitors, while you also have a playerbase with the numbers and penchant for griefing that will be able to make full use of this module in hostile space. The siphon meshes perfectly with Goons' public philosophy.

But remember, you don't need to check every POS, just use dscan. Hell, probes are probably even easier.

Indeed, and because of this I'm surprised that you've failed to see the potential for your alliance.

As you say, your alliance will be much better placed to deal with the consequences than your competitors, while you also have a playerbase with the numbers and penchant for griefing that will be able to make full use of this module in hostile space. The siphon meshes perfectly with Goons' public philosophy.

But remember, you don't need to check every POS, just use dscan. Hell, probes are probably even easier.

I don't think people in this thread realize we might be the least impacted of any null-sec entity. We have already planned for this possibility. The people that will be hurt by this are the guys without rental empires. Size doesn't matter. Organization does.

We are the ones that are going to be spamming these across regions. While choking off the supply that we happen to sit on the lions share of. You can think this is about us, but I would point to our track record of doing what is best for EVE. This is far more about the imbalance of the design. The design is flawed on cost vs reward to a huge degree.

I would rather see 50m a siphon but 10 is absurdly low. It is all about hours to earnback. That should be balanced in such a way that the defender and attacker have a reasonable chance of damaging each other. ISK wise.

Indeed, and because of this I'm surprised that you've failed to see the potential for your alliance.

Will destroyed Siphons result in a Structure Killmail, a la POS Modules?

If not, it should.

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DRINK
YOUR
MILKSHAKE!

I DRINK IT UP! *SLUURRRP*

Yes, Kill Reports will be generated including the information on what was dropped/destroyed.

Yes, Kill Reports will be generated including the information on what was dropped/destroyed.

I think these siphon units are gold for CCP's goal of creating harass/nuisances for POS owners.

I don't think people in this thread realize we might be the least impacted of any null-sec entity. We have already planned for this possibility. The people that will be hurt by this are the guys without rental empires. Size doesn't matter. Organization does.

We are the ones that are going to be spamming these across regions. While choking off the supply that we happen to sit on the lions share of. You can think this is about us, but I would point to our track record of doing what is best for EVE. This is far more about the imbalance of the design. The design is flawed on cost vs reward to a huge degree.

I would rather see 50m a siphon but 10 is absurdly low. It is all about hours to earnback. That should be balanced in such a way that the defender and attacker have a reasonable chance of damaging each other. ISK wise.

Can we get the API data on that fudged too, please?

Will destroyed Siphons result in a Structure Killmail, a la POS Modules?

If not, it should.

Indeed, and because of this I'm surprised that you've failed to see the potential for your alliance.

As you say, your alliance will be much better placed to deal with the consequences than your competitors, while you also have a playerbase with the numbers and penchant for griefing that will be able to make full use of this module in hostile space. The siphon meshes perfectly with Goons' public philosophy.

But remember, you don't need to check every POS, just use dscan. Hell, probes are probably even easier.