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Mister McDerp
University of Caille Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:45:00 -
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Brienna Torsti wrote:I'm going to have so much fun spamming these around regions.
It's going to be great. Anchor them, forget about them, annoy someone somewhere who's doing a 1 man operation. Minimum effort griefing.
But please, CCP. The API is utterly ****** as it is... Fix it before breaking it on purpose.
First that. Screwing with the API like that is... a bad direction to take.
And second, also that. it WILL be used as a griefing tool on the small guys trying to do reactions and nothing else. Enjoy your even emptier lowsec.
Marlona Sky wrote:Loving all these afk pos owner tears in this thread. God forbid you actually need to spend more than 3 minutes a week fueling and grabbing goo right? You have no idea how much of a pain running multiple reaction posses already is, do you? Like literally: Most People bragging about how they're doing PI make more money with less effort, less risk. The only thing they need is more characters. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5267
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:45:00 -
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Maximus Andendare wrote: But that leads me to another question: why should any of us believe that you're delivering honest feedback? You've publicly expressed that you're members of the Economic Warfare Goon committee, so since that's your purpose anyway, where do you think your credibility comes from? Authoritarian speaking? Threats?
Our credibility comes from our long unbroken streak of being right, every time. |
Vatek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
86
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:46:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote:Weaselior wrote:Rakshasa Taisab wrote: Good news everyone, CCP has just implemented one such feature!
While I'm not sure why I would expect the person who thought anom and sig scanning uncovered things like this siphon would grasp gameplay mechanic issues, this will not lead to more small entities in 0.0. Because we'll squash them and then rent their space back to them. Yes, I know it would be difficult for someone like you to understand how people who do sig scanning would be able to detect siphoning structures.
A plex runner scanning for signatures isn't even going to have structures on his filter and is highly unlikely to care that there is a siphon on some random moon. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
454
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:48:00 -
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Maximus Andendare wrote:But that leads me to another question: why should any of us believe that you're delivering honest feedback? You've publicly expressed that you're members of the Economic Warfare Goon committee, so since that's your purpose anyway, where do you think your credibility comes from? Authoritarian speaking? Threats?
I'm not a member of whatever committee you think I'm a part of, and who said this was just spinning? I'm speaking for myself. I don't help people in the Linux subforum to recruit scam people or push an agenda beyond 'Use Linux', for instance. And any credibility I have is based on my ideas, generally.
There are so many broken mechanics in eve already. Why introduce another one that is even more broken? The warp speed change I think is pretty awesome, and might kill null sec ratting as a whole, but it should be fun at least. But what else is in this expansion?
I'm the one who thinks that moon goo should just go to PI anyway, **** all POS's.
Want to make it easier for small entities to get into null sec? Fix sov warfare and make logistics easy for people. Want to make it possible for a group to 'fit' in smaller space? Fix null sec. Want to fix 'free money' from moons? Get rid of moons. Want to fix risk/reward? Address level 4 missions rewards. Want to make POS's better? Revamp them already, that was promised years ago. Players cooped your broken system and explioted it? Give them tools to do it correctly. We've had 'coalitions' from the beginning of eve, but zero help from CCP actually implementing treaties or anything like that.
All of these things could be what CCP is working on. Instead, they are doing additions like this. Every time we've heard some high sec player say 'Oh this will fix the blue donut!', like the moon rebalancing, has just made it worse. CCP has continually RAISED the bar to enter 0.0, not lowered it. It is very expensive, time and effort and isk wise, to put up even a single pos, not to mention take a system and/or station.
So address the fundamental problem rather than skirting it for literally years, saying 'we'll do tweaks' when these tweaks never happen. |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
365
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:51:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:Kahega Amielden wrote: I think the intention is that roaming gangs can dump them and the sov holders have an incentive to come out and stop them.
they don't need any kind of protection to be set up and there is no fixed time where they can be emptied
Well, that's great, because fixed timers don't generate small gang pvp. People in space in pvp ships do.
If you're trying defend against these, you're going to want to preempt raiders, not react to them. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1368
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:53:00 -
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so anyone know if the market for pos guns has gone up?
perhaps its time for me to sell of those true sansha small beam platforms now...
correct me if i am wrong but most 0.0 poses are not death stars and the majority dont even have guns on them for pos mining...
they from what i remember use the pg/cpu for resists mods and moon mining equipment.
so this could create a rush to get guns on all the poses... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
454
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:54:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:so anyone know if the market for pos guns has gone up?
You have plenty of PG to fit guns on pos's, actually. We just normally don't put them up because why give something for people to shoot at? |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5272
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:55:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote: correct me if i am wrong but most 0.0 poses are not death stars and the majority dont even have guns on them for pos mining...
correct, because one of the many, many things that need fixing is that pos guns are garbage and have needed rebalancing for years |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1939
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:57:00 -
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Gekkoh wrote:mynnna wrote:This isn't a bad mechanic, it's just mistimed. The tools and and incentives to want to willingly live in a smaller footprint, don't exist, and so mechanics and meta dictate that to not spread as far as you are able is to allow your enemy to do it instead. But instead of fixing that, creating those tools and incentives, and then introducing them at the same time as things like this, CCP is just hauling back and aiming a big kick in the balls at anyone playing by the current rules.
Spouting off that the solution is to just do that anyway is foolish and naive. Oh, now that's interesting. It seems that you're hinting at unannounced CCP plans to change null so that we end up with smaller, more concentrated entities, while incentivizing more players to come to null? That would be a good thing. A very good thing. If that's so, I wish they'd expand on those plans :-)
I am hinting at nothing, merely saying that if such plans existed, that would be the appropriate time to introduce these. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Mioelnir
Cataclysm Enterprises Easily Offended
147
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:58:00 -
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DevBlog wrote:It also aligns itself well with our general intent to give players more ways to affect each otherGÇÖs income than just through brute force. Make a new player training session about basic math and how it relates to blueprints and manufacturing. |
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Azrael Dinn
The 20th Legion Mildly Sober
176
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:01:00 -
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so... don't you dev have better things to work on or is this part of something bigger and better cause really... where do we need this thing?
This new mobile thing seems really really useless in the grand scheme of things. Honestly... why didn't you just start to work on with the pos mechanics rather than make a small specialized thing that really does nothing special.
So please... could you tell whats behind of this or did you guys just ran out of good ideas? After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1663
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:02:00 -
[282] - Quote
Kismeteer wrote:Maximus Andendare wrote:But that leads me to another question: why should any of us believe that you're delivering honest feedback? You've publicly expressed that you're members of the Economic Warfare Goon committee, so since that's your purpose anyway, where do you think your credibility comes from? Authoritarian speaking? Threats? I'm not a member of whatever committee you think I'm a part of, and who said this was just spinning? I'm speaking for myself. I don't help people in the Linux subforum to recruit scam people or push an agenda beyond 'Use Linux', for instance. And any credibility I have is based on my ideas, generally. There are so many broken mechanics in eve already. Why introduce another one that is even more broken? The warp speed change I think is pretty awesome, and might kill null sec ratting as a whole, but it should be fun at least. But what else is in this expansion? I'm the one who thinks that moon goo should just go to PI anyway, **** all POS's. Want to make it easier for small entities to get into null sec? Fix sov warfare and make logistics easy for people. Want to make it possible for a group to 'fit' in smaller space? Fix null sec. Want to fix 'free money' from moons? Get rid of moons. Want to fix risk/reward? Address level 4 missions rewards. Want to make POS's better? Revamp them already, that was promised years ago. Players cooped your broken system and explioted it? Give them tools to do it correctly. We've had 'coalitions' from the beginning of eve, but zero help from CCP actually implementing treaties or anything like that. All of these things could be what CCP is working on. Instead, they are doing additions like this. Every time we've heard some high sec player say 'Oh this will fix the blue donut!', like the moon rebalancing, has just made it worse. CCP has continually RAISED the bar to enter 0.0, not lowered it. It is very expensive, time and effort and isk wise, to put up even a single pos, not to mention take a system and/or station. So address the fundamental problem rather than skirting it for literally years, saying 'we'll do tweaks' when these tweaks never happen. there's a parable in the christian bible, where christ describes a man who builds his house on sand and a man who builds his house on stone. the house built on sand washes away in the rain, and the house on stone stands
is the siphon building on broken pos and sov mechanics? |
IrJosy
Club 1621 Goonswarm Federation
71
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:03:00 -
[283] - Quote
CCP 'balancing' t2 ships with ccp rise.
While ccp whoever over here blaps the prices of t2 ships into the sky.
Must be an interesting office dynamic.
Dev A: I'm gonna make players want to use these ships! Dev B: No you aren't I'm gonna make them more expensive! Someone edit a derogatory term under his name again! |
Gardaz
Viziam Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:04:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Our credibility comes from our long unbroken streak of being right, every time. Can't be that long then since mynnnas prediction about moon goo prices for the rebalance turned out false. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1370
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:08:00 -
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IrJosy wrote:CCP 'balancing' t2 ships with ccp rise.
While ccp whoever over here blaps the prices of t2 ships into the sky.
Must be an interesting office dynamic.
Dev A: I'm gonna make players want to use these ships! Dev B: No you aren't I'm gonna make them more expensive! Someone edit a derogatory term under his name again!
perhaps they will let us have back scanable mining sites which contain minerals gases and tech II minerals toboot... you know take away insentive to do passive income and provide an alternative for active income. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5276
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:08:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote: Yes, I know it would be difficult for someone like you to understand how people who do sig scanning would be able to detect siphoning structures.
A sig scanner is scanning only for sigs. They do not randomly also scan the system to see what structures are in it and then scan down all of those. Once again, you have fundamental defects in your understanding of how the game works that makes it so your opinion is not worth the time it takes to dismiss it. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1940
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:09:00 -
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Gardaz wrote:Weaselior wrote:Our credibility comes from our long unbroken streak of being right, every time. Can't be that long then since mynnnas prediction about moon goo prices for the rebalance turned out false.
Allow me to quote myself.
myself wrote:Being conservative, I'd say the R64s all go to at least 40k isk/unit in the long run, with something more like 50k-60k isk/unit being completely reasonable.
Have you checked Dysprosium lately? That's just the beginning, of course. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5276
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:09:00 -
[288] - Quote
Gardaz wrote:Weaselior wrote:Our credibility comes from our long unbroken streak of being right, every time. Can't be that long then since mynnnas prediction about moon goo prices for the rebalance turned out false. Mynnna's prediction was right, and we're starting to see the stockpiles break and the price to revert to where it 'should' be. I assume you haven't checked Dyspro prices anytime recently. |
Skia Aumer
Atlas Research Group Gatekeepers Universe
63
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:11:00 -
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So, to make my POS totally invulnerable to siphons, I need to set up additional harvester to mine some atmospheric gases or other crap. While processing R64 in a simple reactor, of course. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5276
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:12:00 -
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sssssssssssssssssssssh shuuuuuuuuuut uuuuuuuuuuuup |
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1940
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:13:00 -
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Skia Aumer wrote:So, to make my POS totally invulnerable to siphons, I need to set up additional harvester to mine some atmospheric gases or other crap. While processing R64 in a simple reactor, of course.
Great idea, until someone comes and drops multiple siphons on your pos and takes the intermediate products from your reactor. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1297
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:13:00 -
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I would point out that no other group in EVE has the track record we do at promoting things that are good for EVE, even at our detriment.
i would also point out that I was the player applauding CCP for their handling of Forex even when that personally cost me trillions. We championed the bottom up income, we championed the tech nerf.
But hey ignore the track record of calling the ball and then cracking it out of the park if you like because you believe it is because we are spinning, or covering our own interests.
Our track record of calling CCP out when it is warranted speaks for itself. We also support siphons as a concept just not at this level of balance because we know what we will do with it. You can choose to believe this is the truth or not but time will demonstrate if what I am saying is true and you can come back and reference this post.
However, if I were you guys, I would be in Jita right now buying up some stuff.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Tonraks
Bold Originals Courageous Cowards
0
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:15:00 -
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I must say i think this implementation and the idea of a goo sucking pos module, is a pretty bad feature.
It promotes afk play, and make pos-work even more bothersome and boring than it already is.
It's almost like you devs want pos's to a feature that slowly but surely gets to be a less and less used feature.
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gascanu
Bearing Srl.
30
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:17:00 -
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ahahaha, a river of tears incoming
i have to say this is a very good move from CCP in f***** R64 cartels; also it give npc/low sec corps a piece of the pie. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5277
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:17:00 -
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Tonraks wrote:I must say i think this implementation and the idea of a goo sucking pos module, is a pretty bad feature.
It promotes afk play, and make pos-work even more bothersome and boring than it already is.
It's almost like you devs want pos's to a feature that slowly but surely gets to be a less and less used feature.
that way you can justify not fixing them because only a small portion of the community uses them! |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1240
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:18:00 -
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Aryth wrote:I would point out that no other group in EVE has the track record we do at promoting things that are good for EVE, even at our detriment.
i would also point out that I was the player applauding CCP for their handling of Forex even when that personally cost me trillions. We championed the bottom up income, we championed the tech nerf.
But hey ignore the track record of calling the ball and then cracking it out of the park if you like because you believe it is because we are spinning, or covering our own interests.
Our track record of calling CCP out when it is warranted speaks for itself. We also support siphons as a concept just not at this level of balance because we know what we will do with it. You can choose to believe this is the truth or not but time will demonstrate if what I am saying is true and you can come back and reference this post.
However, if I were you guys, I would be in Jita right now buying up some stuff.
Well maby you need a beter PR division/team. |
Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
307
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:18:00 -
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Stacking nerf them likes mods. Fear God and Thread Nought |
Nomad I
University of Caille Gallente Federation
144
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:19:00 -
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This is just a tool of harrasment. There is no incentive. |
Destoya
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
175
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:22:00 -
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This change is hilarious if only for the creation of this thread and the tears on the past 15 pages |
Mana Potion
A Different Kind of Gaming Community Vanguard.
14
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:24:00 -
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Aryth wrote:I don't think people in this thread realize we might be the least impacted of any null-sec entity. We have already planned for this possibility. The people that will be hurt by this are the guys without rental empires. Size doesn't matter. Organization does.
We are the ones that are going to be spamming these across regions. While choking off the supply that we happen to sit on the lions share of. You can think this is about us, but I would point to our track record of doing what is best for EVE. This is far more about the imbalance of the design. The design is flawed on cost vs reward to a huge degree.
I would rather see 50m a siphon but 10 is absurdly low. It is all about hours to earnback. That should be balanced in such a way that the defender and attacker have a reasonable chance of damaging each other. ISK wise.
You already planned for this? I am thinking there was a leak in the CSM membership that told you to stop moon mining and start renting.
I think it is an interesting mechanic. One that will be used by all sides to continue trolling each other.
I think I am going to also |
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