Learn to read. It's already changed.

There still has been no response on the issue of faction towers no longer dropping.

If we are fixing and working on the POS system, why not fix this issue as well.

Could the Rorqual's compression system be allowed to manufacture fuel cubes?

I spoke with one of my corp mates as to why the change even is HAPPENING. I can somewhat now understand that for a huge corp/alliance this COULD save time to fuel the many POS's, but, in the same stroke, also seems that there are a few additional steps which, arguably, can be skipped depending if you want to pay attention to the balance on cost vs time.

Even though I'm more in the know than I was an hour ago about why this is being done, the thing I REALLY don't like is the fact that we have to use a BPO to manufacture cubes. We have structures in PI that we feed materials to it, and it spits out the resulting item based on the two input materials. So why can't we do something similar for the cubes?

The mechanic would work in such a way that there'd be enough room in a bay to feed the structure enough mats to produce whatever cube we configure it for. It then takes the mats and hourly will take the appropriate chunk of raw mats and make X number of cubes per hour. In high sec, there would be a "tax" of sorts or something like that. In low/null, no tax, 100% efficiency, etc.

Where the mechanic would work would either be at a POS or on a planet, or both.

At a POS, you'd get two bays. One for the input items (All 8 mats needed to make the cube) and then another where the cubes get sent out. From there, it'd be a manual process to take the items from the new structure to the towers fuel bay.

The PI option would work where you'd have to feed the structure via landing pad. The inputs would be the same, and taxes would apply again.

Thoughts?

Leaving the POCO aside, you believe the demand for PI products will drop due to reduced demand and that will hurt new players as PI is an easy for of income to get into, correct?

If I may ask, is it not possible that the simplification of fuel management could lead to more people having towers and the increased demand keeping prices up?
Is there a reason PI mats wouldn't be bought by people producing fuel?
Is the difference in fuel consumption enough to severely reduce demand for the PI goods?

From the perspective of someone who has seen both sides of the coin, I can say that these changes (including the revisions) are extremely positive ones.

Whilst a few people have jumped in to point out that technically, this change actually makes things even 'more' complex is true, it does make life easier and more fun, I'll give two examples

Running 20 towers
When it came to refueling them, I loaded up our special corporation website which keeps track of all our towers, including their PG/CPU usage, I would then ping the API to get the current fuel volumes in our first 4 towers nearby and now know how much of every fuel type I need in order to top them all up to maximum.

I then sit there and copy these over from our fuel reserves until my Rorqual/Anshar is full, then head off to the towers.

When I get to the towers, I have to re-go through the math and copy the correct amounts of each fuel type into each of the towers.

with the new system...
I open the corp hanger, drop a ton of pellets into my hanger, undock and go fuel towers.

For the long term organisation, we just ensure we keep a steady production of pellets going and everything is great.

Has anyone even noticed the initial numbers per a block and the fact that it uses 4 of those an HOUR!!?
The following is use-age numbers for large towers based on the original posted figures per a block.

(followed by lots of stuff)

I suggest, politely but firmly, that you go back and read the devblog again. Overall, small towers will see 10-25% fuel savings per month, medium towers in the 5-10% range and large towers about 4-8% (assuming that fuel prices stay roughly level).

In addition, the new blocks are about 9% smaller then the source materials.

Lots of numbers, making basically no sense

[quote=Scrapyard Bob]
Hence the reason new players and small corps who base their living out of PI are getting nerfed. Thanks for the numbers.

This is not the POCO whine thread.

And this change will help small corps, because now small towers suddenly got a lot cheaper to operate. Which means you can put more of your PI materials on the market rather then spending it on your own POS fuels.

(Complaining about the rise & fall of commodities in EVE is rather pointless. Look at ice prices, or mineral prices, or any other building component which tends to rise and fall based on demand or speculation. If it becomes less profitable to harvest a particular PI good, switch to a different market segment.)

That, is an awesome request.

I havent read all thread here, just looking into it.

Changes that I've just checked in for testing:

• Build time now 5 minutes
• Can build blocks in component assembly arrays
• Removed capacity bonus from faction towers
• Upped batch size to 40 and dropped volume to 5m3
• Increased fuel use in normal towers to 40/20/10
• Increased fuel use in tier 1 towers to 36/18/9 and tier 2 towers to 32/16/8
• Sov bonus should kick in for all towers, it will be rounding up though so keep that in mind with your calcs

quoting Greyscale for the Nth time cause of all the trolls too lazy to read...

Change that. it will change your point of view.

EDIT:
Pro Tip: there is a button called Dev Posts, press it and serach for this thread...


quoting Greyscale for the Nth time cause of all the trolls too lazy to read...

You can't be serious guys this should be improvement How by adding more time and more expenses to pos fuel production chain plus removing bonuses from fraction tower is that improvement ? Not by my book .
If you do implement this am gonna indict you for war crimes against POS managers

Have you thought about the ramifications this will have on Liquid Ozone? It will affect heavy water as well, but not to the same extent.

Currently people try to conserve fuel by offlining mods. But with these changes every tower will be LO and HW hogs.

A large tower right now require approx 107k of liquid ozone/heavy water with at 100%

Each block of highsec ice currently yield 25 units of LO and 50 units of HW (not counting taxes). That means that in order for someone to mine enough ice to keep the tower fueled they will have to get approximatly 4300 blocks of ice every month... probably more like 4500 blocks with taxes and skills.

Suddenly EVERY tower in the game schlurps LO and HW like there is no tomorrow... my worry is that production simply cannot keep up with the demand of all those towers... The isotopes wont be a problem however since the blocks required for the LO gives about 4 months worth of isotopes.

I don't even dare to think what will happen if you follow through and remove highsec ice as you were planning some time ago...

why not make it so a small tower use 4 block/hour and 8 for a medium and 16 for a large normal towers?
that why you can still scall the amount that is need per faction tower.

so you get for a small tower:

tier 0: 4blocks/hour
tier 1: 3blocks/hour
tier 2: 2blocks/hour

medium

tier 0: 8blocks/hour
tier 1: 6blocks/hour
tier 2: 4blocks/hour

large

tier 0: 16blocks/hour
tier 1: 12blocks/hour
tier 2: 8blocks/hour

or more blocks per hours to make it easy to scal. instead of increasing cargo bay.

Since you're not in a small corp I would suggest you refrain from assuming what will or will not help us.

Natural fluctuation in demand and speculation is fine. Artificially decreasing demand of one material to the benefit of big corps at the detriment of small corps is not fine. Since you're in a large corp, I'm sure you're fine with the change. Want me to go away? Tough.