Just a quick question for people using Faction Towers.

How long does it take for the fuel savings to make up for the cost of buying the tower in the first place?

(If you bought it when they were cheaper, it's another matter)

You practically have to have a POS just to build anything these days in any quantity.

You're kidding, right? You know nothing of database and data table management, right? "Global search and replace" never made it to your computer school at kindergarten, right?

Pubbies...

Yeah, you'd think CCP wanted us to be more reliant on one another instead of having it spoon fed to us by NPC corps.

Oh wai...

That actually isn't a real issue, since it's just an investment. You can unanchor and resell it (if it hasn't gotten blown up of course) at any time, getting your "deposit" back :)

yeah. they are still woth 2 bil, because everyone wants them for there reduced Fuel need. oh wait...

Couple of thoughts-

Please please seed the BPOs for the fuel blocks well in advance of the change, to get stocks in the market. Having a couple days of every tower offline would be amusing, but a bit of a pain for most.

The day of the switchover to fuel blocks, what happens to the fuel already in the tower, where does it go? And would it be possible to prestock towers with say, 1 day of fuel blocks at DT - many of the smaller corps do not have players that can login right after downtime, and the thought of 8 offline large towers in some of the wormholes.....could be potentially a mess(although great fun for people looking to loot and pillage random towers)

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yeah. they are still woth 2 bil, because everyone wants them for there reduced Fuel need. oh wait...

This sucks from a WH perspective. Now you not only have to haul in ice products but you also you have to create the stupid blocks. I fail to see how this "simplifies" anything.

Currently thinking about:

• Fuel divisibility situation (ie, faction/sov fuel bonuses)
• Block build times

Keep on posting, we are paying attention :)

Currently thinking about:

• Fuel divisibility situation (ie, faction/sov fuel bonuses)
• Block build times

Keep on posting, we are paying attention :)

They're worth 2bil because drop rates for faction POS gear have been ****** for a while, and very few if any new ones show up.

I would like to say that one idea that is probably easy to implement and will make all of your players who manage towers very very very happy with you is to just plop a full load of these pellets into the fuel bay on patch day, just erase their old fuel, put in 29 days of fuel blocks and call it a day.

yay

I would like to say that one idea that is probably easy to implement and will make all of your players who manage towers very very very happy with you is to just plop a full load of these pellets into the fuel bay on patch day, just erase their old fuel, put in 29 days of fuel blocks and call it a day.

Not very balanced, but then you won't end up with a giant scramble of doom as everyone tries to catch up with the BPO's and manufacturing and everything within a week of release. Just a thought, since this change seems to be geared towards simplicity, making the changeover that simple would be nice.

Yay for easier starbase logistics!

Would it be possible to add to defensive bonuses for faction towers? Maybe better base resistances, or bonuses to weapon turrters, instead of fuel bay bonuses? Or, even better, faction specific boosts to each kind of tower, affecting the whole gamut of tower uses.

Soooo when someone is being POS-bashed, (assuming they have an infinite amount of batteries) they can continually anchor and online ECM/Neut/SD batteries???? Someone mentioned doing the same with guns earlier, but because you have to come outside the shield to put ammo in them, it didn't matter. But those batteries don't need ammo, and many would argue a tower should only have ECM batteries on it, as they are rather OP.

I really see a problem with these new anchoring/onlining times. Someone mentioned having a queue set up. I think this is more appropriate, as a POS SHOULD be challenging to set up in that it takes a long time. But you shouldn't have to sit there and stare at each mod waiting for it to anchor/online.

POS bashes are already long and boring enough, please don't make it worse.

seriously cut out the cycle time nonsense

it's way easier to increase blocks produced and do different fuel consumption amounts cause that breaks nothing and requires no new code

Wow, thanks for yet another w-space nerf in the winter patch. Now, not only is PI going to cost us a lot more, but instead of fueling our tower mostly on PI goods from in our system, and only needing to haul in ice goo for fuel, we either need to buy it ALL, or haul everything out, find a nearby factory, buy ice goo, and haul it all back in again.

CCP, PLEASE stop only considering the "big alliance in nullsec" case when you design these things. That's not your entire player base, and homogenizing your game takes out a lot of what makes it cool in the first place.

Currently thinking about:

• Fuel divisibility situation (ie, faction/sov fuel bonuses)
• Block build times

Keep on posting, we are paying attention :)

THIS.

I applaud the changes on the whole, if you LISTEN to some of the suggestions given in this thread then this could be a very very good patch for pretty much all concerned, however; Please do not just push the concerns of wormhole dwellers aside saying "well, someone has to get hurt in every patch".

Currently those that live in W-Space only need to haul ice products in, now we have to develop the logistics to either get the blocks from K-Space and haul that in (greater volume then before) or manufacture the blocks after hauling the same ice products in... self-sustainability has taken a hit.

Listen to and react to the feedback... already in ~10 pages there is a concensus building on how to overcome some of the issues you highlighted.

if this picture has the 4 icons for the fuel blocks, may I suggest changing the colour of the blocks themselves to hues of the racial colours?

The blocks having a different colour will be much more recognisable than their little frames. It's a small thing, but you may as well get the icons right the first time. Usability goes a long way to getting happy customers :)