I see all of that too, just need to point out that it is not the only side of the story. Also fueling thousands of POSes should be a hassle, at least if it is done by few people.

While a new market and new opportunities will be created, this effectively increases prices and thus inflation. I do not consider that a good thing as it basically devalues all savings people have.

Letting all blues use all your JBs . . . . nice.

Letting all blues use all your JBs and not giving them some way to fuel the JB . . . . not nice.

Don't let them take fuel out or see how much is in there, but create either a setting that actually allows them to voluntarily fuel the bridge, OR, put on a setting that makes them (or anyone, even if in your Aliance) pay for their jump in liquid ozone.
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Still, a WH corp, that imports ONLY its ice products will have to then install the ammo array if it does not have one, and add a step to the process. So that is not "keeps doing" at all. Its more expsense and work. Outsourcing is not necesarily the answer, even though it seems to be about your only answer.

stocks of heavy water on high sec systems of all regions of new eden have been bought and relisted at 100-200 isk / unit...

If you had maintained a stockpile, you could just ride out a short-term price spike and buy again when prices inevitably fall.

i never said i didn't had a stock.

i just stated a fact : this blog put every market manipulator on action on heavy water.
which means lots of guys consider this change will be really important on this market.

THIS

Question 1: Why was heavy water so cheap to begin with?
Question 1a: Is there an oversupply of heavy water?
Question 1b: Is powergrid used infrequently?

Question 2: Should heavy water be worth more?
Question 2a: What effect would more expensive heavy water have?
Question 2b: Would this actually raise the cost of running a POS or would other prices be depressed?

This issue is pushing me to now support leaving heavy water and liquid ozone out of the fuel blocks. It simply changes the ice economy too drastically. I think the objective of these changes should be to simplify pos fueling with minimal change to current game mechanics.

Summary of my positions (highest to lowest priority)

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1. I would prefer a change that affects the current economy minimally.
2. Do not include liquid ozone / heavy water in the blocks. Keep that separate for now due to economic issues)
3. Increase granularity of fuel blocks to 100/hour for normal large POSes in order to support bonuses and make moving blocks in small ships easier.
4. Include a limited fuel block manufacturing facility in the control tower.
4a. Manufacturing facility would be better than nothing, but a refining array type mechanism would be better (no BPO, no manufacturing slot)
4b. Limited = makes blocks just a bit faster than needed for itself but not for other control towers
5. I will accept a less than ideal change* as long as this is iterated.

* Less than ideal = not include lowest priority and harder to implement points above (e.g. no manufacturing facility)

THIS

Question 1: Why was heavy water so cheap to begin with?
Question 1a: Is there an oversupply of heavy water?
Question 1b: Is powergrid used infrequently?

Question 2: Should heavy water be worth more?
Question 2a: What effect would more expensive heavy water have?
Question 2b: Would this actually raise the cost of running a POS or would other prices be depressed?

On a first calculation, I think the build times for fuel blocks are a bit too high. At 10 minutes/run, thats over a day for each week of fuel for a large tower. I guess you are counting on a mini-industry to arise for this.

If you build it they will come, or something like that. But ya I don't see any issue with another industry item. Some POS owners simply won't want to deal with building their own fuel blocks.


I am slightly worried about the removal of the fuel consumption benefit of the faction towers. There has to be plenty of people out there who bit the bullet and bought a faction tower with the idea that over time the increased initial cost would pay for itself in lower fuel usage.

I like this.

I don't like two things:


1) Fuel Block Size/consumption. If the math sucks to have 10 blocks per hour because you don't/can't/won't do ticks on 6 minutes, shame on you. This introduces better variance and solves problems like sov bonuses and the one below:

2) Faction Towers. I haven't stood one of these up in a while, but you are talking about something that costs (as far as I can tell) about 2x the cost of a standard tower, and the big bonus is that it burns less fuel, which means the cost is recouped at some point. So now, you want to make them have a larger fuel bay? This is stupid. Reduce the size of the block and adjust your tick counts to burn a block every 6 minutes on standard towers, and 10 minutes on Faction Towers. Done (although the math might need work to keep Faction Towers inline with Sov bonuses).

Initially I had issues with the blocks being racially structured, but then I realized that keeping the isotopes separate makes a huge hauling/logistics mess stay in place. Maybe the trick is to have the racial blocks, but not integrate the Ozone and Heavy Water so the CPU/PG fluctuations can still be accounted for?

Could we please have a fuel bonus for Faction tower.

I must be missing something. There seems to be a slight adjustment in the amount of materials, but an extra step in producing the fuel which tends to mean more hauling. And without the faction tower fuel reduction, and the ability to drop fuel consumption by leaving grid/cpu unused, that means even more hauling... The maths is simpler once you've got the blocks but I have a tool for that.

What am I not seeing that has everyone happy?

The fact you can be lazy now and have people that actually want to bother producing the fuel bother with that while you just buy the cubes off the market, I guess?

I must be missing something. There seems to be a slight adjustment in the amount of materials, but an extra step in producing the fuel which tends to mean more hauling. And without the faction tower fuel reduction, and the ability to drop fuel consumption by leaving grid/cpu unused, that means even more hauling... The maths is simpler once you've got the blocks but I have a tool for that.

What am I not seeing that has everyone happy?