True but you're still missing the point. The only thing the minmatar station is good at is reprocessing. Yes you "can" add a refinery to all the other station, but they won't be good at it. Minmatar curreently has a 20-30% refining advantage currently ofer any other station as a refinery.

This is advantage is getting heavily nerfed to 2-3% over the other station with this patch while having no other advantages

True but you're still missing the point. The only thing the minmatar station is good at is reprocessing. Yes you "can" add a refinery to all the other station, but they won't be good at it. Minmatar curreently has a 20-30% refining advantage currently ofer any other station as a refinery.

This is advantage is getting heavily nerfed to 2-3% over the other station with this patch while having no other advantages

so your argument is that the minmatar station no longer has a distinct and unique advantage over the other types of stations

tough shit

Short of devs removing hi sec from the game; which may happen at some point, I wouldn't leave hi sec. War decs are part of the game. Like a lot of players, if I was constantly war decced, I would take a short break from EVE, play an alt, or if it goes too long, I would change corps. Running to the "safety" of null sec is like out of the frying pan into an inferno. I have other opinions about war dec mechanics but I will keep those to myself.

I already maxed the resource processing tree and built up 9+ faction with several npc corps to ensure I would get 100% refine regardless of the station percentage. With the dev change all of that is meaningless as long as I live in hi sec. Going from 100% to a max of 72% reprocessing/refining will kill my isk/hour. I run 4-8 missions a day and reprocess 99% of the modules. I also get paid to refine ores for other players. So yes I will lose my refining customers and take a huge hit on my module reprocessing all because null sec players need more players to kill.

Risk versus reward has been brought up many times. Lets talk about the risk... What is so risky existing outside hi sec? Is it the environment...no, is it the difficulty of rats...no, has the game itself become more difficult to maneuver in...no, is mining more difficult/modules take longer/less ore is mined...no, Is the station you live out of constantly under the attack of rats...no, do ships move slower/harder to maneuver...no, playing the game around other players in your area of space...yes. The only real risk is other players not the game itself.

Living outside of hi sec is a choice players make. Moving stuff from hi sec to null sec is a choice a player makes, but yet that player wants to be over rewarded for doing that. Setting up a POS is a choice a corp/player makes, but yet the corp/player wants to be over rewarded for choosing to live in "dangerous" space. I could go on but in the end of it the players that choose to exist in the "line of fire" have this ridiculous mindset of needing to be over rewarded and have it better than hi sec players, even though its not the game environment that is the danger.

All of this is behavioral training 101. Over rewarding players for playing how CCP/devs want and punishing players that don't follow their program. Its just like what parents do to their children and pets

I have one concern that has not been brought up yet. unless i missed it in 94 pages..

1. The new compression array states instant for reprocessing time. Does this mean CCP will be removing the time it takes to compress ore/ice in the Rorqual?

If this is true fine. If this is not true then it's one more reason that the Rorqual once again will not be viable, as players will just use the array for instant compression without the cost of heavy water and the time spent compressing the ore/ice. I read nothing about assembly lines on the compression array or the removal of assembly lines from the Rorqual. At current the Rorqual is supposed to be a fleet tool for mining, but can not keep up with an actual mining fleet do to the limitations of the assembly line. Maybe CCP should address this as a fix for the Rorqual or the fact that the assembly line is so bugged half the time it doesn't even show up.

yes there will be the cost of the pos/pos fuel for the array but most will already have a pos.. so don't state the obvious.

Compression Array

From now on, when working with the Rorqual or the Compression Array, players will be able to right-click the ores or ices they wish to compress to immediately get the output.
Also, we do know the Rorqual needs more love to be a more viable ship, and that is being looked into, but chances are this wonGÇÖt make it in EVEGÇÖs summer expansion.

I already maxed the resource processing tree and built up 9+ faction with several npc corps to ensure I would get 100% refine regardless of the station percentage. With the dev change all of that is meaningless as long as I live in hi sec. Going from 100% to a max of 72% reprocessing/refining will kill my isk/hour. I run 4-8 missions a day and reprocess 99% of the modules. I also get paid to refine ores for other players. So yes I will lose my refining customers and take a huge hit on my module reprocessing all because null sec players need more players to kill.

and as always, lowsec will get the biggest hit in the nuts......

CCP, why don't ou get rid of low directly instead of nerfing it every expansion?

nerf over nerf over nerf.......really?

this is already one of the most difficult place to live in, and it has the lowest income possibilitys, and you are making it worse EVERY SINGLE TIME....stop this

Yes, we are going to reduce reprocessing efficiency down by quite a bit, but we are going to keep mining efficiency the same as it is right now by increasing minerals gained from reprocessing ices and ores.

I am a bit confused by this quote:



So what they are saying now is that they will increase the amount you get when refining and increase the waste amount as well. Basically after the patch you will get 70ish% yield but around the same amount of minerals ? Or did I read that wrong?

pretty much, unless you got crappy skills then you need to do some training

What's the difference in resulting minerals ?

If you have the bare minimum of skills for 100% yield at the moment, you'll have fewer minerals out at the end after the change.

If you have maxed refining skills, and a 4% implant, you'll get the same as you do at the moment.

So most people will get a bit less.

(and a massive reduction on module refining)

That's great to be honest. For a moment there I thought that the yield will be ~30% less but there would be no mineral increase to compensate for the loss. This means new modules/skills might be coming as stated by ccp which is also awesome. Then I am up for the change.

Also, if what you stated is true then in an outpost you would refine more minerals than you would refine in a high-sec today with 100%, right ?

So nomore perfect refine on ore, the best we can get now even with max skills is going to be 72.4% WTF am I reading that chart right?

Getting closer to the point where we can remove that hack is one of the motivations for these changes, yes.

So for regular veldspar as an example ... batch of 100 = 415 trit according to new chart... if we can only get 72.4% (300 units) out of it... what's the point of showing 415 if we're never gunna get that? Are there going to be additional skills so we can keep the 115 or is it just gunna be lost?

partially yes, but mostly not.

Clarification:
Create a copy or download it as xlsx/ods and play with the options, like

• Array excerpt
• Outpost excerpt
• 50 % Station excerpt.

The percentages state mineral quantity yield post change compared to those pre change (when refining @ 100% yield). At the very bottom of the table is the overall comparison (pretty useless, just for reference).