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Shahrokh Dariush
Conspicuous Trading Company
4
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:17:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Shahrokh Dariush wrote:
*Mandatory* Can I have your stuff?
My feelings are hurt. Post again and I'll report you to CCP for harassment. And torture!
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Klyith
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
90
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:22:00 -
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Sohkar has not been banned, at least not of last night when he was on Eve Radio having a discussion with Erotica1 and others. edit: twitch.tv/everadiolive
In that interview he in fact said that he maybe deserved a ban as well because of the things he said in the recording. |

Plug in Baby
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
179
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:26:00 -
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Klyith wrote:Sohkar has not been banned, at least not of last night when he was on Eve Radio having a discussion with Erotica1 and others..
Sohkar can't be banned as per CCP policy
Quote:We are not able to take anything from any third parties as evidences to accuse any players.
Seems pretty clear cut to me, anything you do on the Eve sever is banable, anything outside is not.
Not really sure what all the fuss is about, unless CCP are being inconsistent with their policies and I can't imagine they would ever do that now would they?  This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main. |

Tesco Ergo Sum
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:30:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3627268#post3627268
Seems as relevant today as it was then...
Simple rules to play EVE by:
Don't trust anything CCP say about EULA/TOS/the magical "emergent gameplay"/0.01 ISK/etc Don't trust anything forums trolls write
Either do it yourself and find out the hard way,
Or don't do it at all... |

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1209
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:31:00 -
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Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Has Sokhar been banned too? CCP usually doesn't reveal if a player has been banned, why don't you ask Sokhar himself? Because he might call me the N-word! Then you file a petition and he's done for. What is the problem?
That might be a good idea. If you listen to the recordings you can clearly hear him ranting and raving in temper and using the N-word to very great effect.
I don't have time for racists and wouldn't want to contact anyone or spend time with someone that uses racist language and terms of speech in an attempt to belittle other people. Anyhow other posters have quite correctly reminded me of the CCP privacy policy on this so I'll leave it be. I'm not in that much of a strong desire to know that would warrant me contacting him directly. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |

Dorn Val
Probe Patrol Awakened.
160
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:31:00 -
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Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Dorn Val wrote:I'm not defending the way that Erotica 1was playing the game, but I am questioning CCP's reaction to it. Since Erotica1 was banned for breaking a fuzzy rule He was? Could you link the post where it is explained on what grounds Erotica got banned?
Point.
Sandbox: An enclosed area filled with sand for children engaged in open-ended, unstructured, imaginative play. Also a place for cats to urinate and defecate... |

Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
518
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:32:00 -
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Plug in Baby wrote:Seems pretty clear cut to me, anything you do on the Eve sever is banable, anything outside is not. Not really sure what all the fuss is about, unless CCP are being inconsistent with their policies and I can't imagine they would ever do that now would they? 
I guess the evidence is examined on a case-by-case basis. And a TS recording that matches up with in-game happenings (API, Pod kills) will have more value than some random screenshot of an e-mail that may be easily forged. |

Dorn Val
Probe Patrol Awakened.
160
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:35:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:olan2005 wrote:you don't know that he wasn't unlike erotic1 he has not made any public statement. And again E1 got what he wanted the guy snapped said some very reprehensible things , but circumstances mean he should not receive the same level of punishment as E1 So to be clear, you're saying that racism and death threats are OK under some circumstances? Especially when someone got your internet space pixels. I disagree, there is NEVER a reason for that.
This ^ Sandbox: An enclosed area filled with sand for children engaged in open-ended, unstructured, imaginative play. Also a place for cats to urinate and defecate... |

Shahrokh Dariush
Conspicuous Trading Company
5
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:44:00 -
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Klyith wrote:Sohkar has not been banned, at least not of last night when he was on Eve Radio having a discussion with Erotica1 and others. edit: twitch.tv/everadiolive
In that interview he in fact said that he maybe deserved a ban as well because of the things he said in the recording.
The amount of bullshit coming out of his mouth (Erotica 1) is amusing... He's just a nice guy trying to help people and always take their feelings into account... yeeeah.. |

Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier
60
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:44:00 -
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Plug in Baby wrote:Klyith wrote:Sohkar has not been banned, at least not of last night when he was on Eve Radio having a discussion with Erotica1 and others.. Sohkar can't be banned as per CCP policy Quote:We are not able to take anything from any third parties as evidences to accuse any players. Seems pretty clear cut to me, anything you do on the Eve sever is banable, anything outside is not. Not really sure what all the fuss is about, unless CCP are being inconsistent with their policies and I can't imagine they would ever do that now would they? 
Along these same lines, CCP cant use a 3rd party source to ban Erotica. After all the recording was made using 3rd party software and posted on 2 3rd party websites. Just saying...
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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1209
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:49:00 -
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Plug in Baby wrote:Klyith wrote:Sohkar has not been banned, at least not of last night when he was on Eve Radio having a discussion with Erotica1 and others.. Sohkar can't be banned as per CCP policy Quote:We are not able to take anything from any third parties as evidences to accuse any players. Seems pretty clear cut to me, anything you do on the Eve sever is banable, anything outside is not. Not really sure what all the fuss is about, unless CCP are being inconsistent with their policies and I can't imagine they would ever do that now would they? 
If this is true then Erotica shouldn't be banned either. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1762
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:49:00 -
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Unless I completely missed something, we're still talking about asking someone to volunteer to read and sing songs in teamspeak in some elaborate scam to take their virtual currency that has 0 real world value.
Or did something else happen? ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Plug in Baby
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
179
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:50:00 -
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Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:I guess the evidence is examined on a case-by-case basis. And a TS recording that matches up with in-game happenings (API, Pod kills) will have more value than some random screenshot of an e-mail that may be easily forged.
It says Quote:not able to use anything not Quote:only able to use things that are above a critical difficulty to forge and matches up with in-game happenings (API, Pod Kills) .
The policy seems pretty clear, the TS evidence can not be used at all so Sohkar cannot be banned (unless of course he has broken the EULA within the game itself as well and CCP has first hand evidence). This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main. |

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1209
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:52:00 -
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but the TS recording is what all of the fuss is about, so in this case it seems obvious that CCP have considered it as evidence.
I know that this is merely speculation, but the point of the original complaint to ccp was the bonus room antics, all of which took place on TS. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |

Darkopus
State War Academy Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:54:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Has Sokhar been banned too? CCP usually doesn't reveal if a player has been banned, why don't you ask Sokhar himself? Because he might call me the N-word! Then you file a petition and he's done for. What is the problem? That might be a good idea. If you listen to the recordings you can clearly hear him ranting and raving in temper and using the N-word to very great effect. I don't have time for racists and wouldn't want to contact anyone or spend time with someone that uses racist language and terms of speech in an attempt to belittle other people. Anyhow other posters have quite correctly reminded me of the CCP privacy policy on this so I'll leave it be. I'm not in that much of a strong desire to know that would warrant me contacting him directly.
I don' thave time for sociopaths that attempt to hide behind the veil of a game when getting kicks out of publicly humiliating people for their own masturbatory pleasure. It would appear that CCP thinks the same which is why that deranged fool has been ejected from the game. |

olan2005
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
65
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:55:00 -
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Dorn Val wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:olan2005 wrote:you don't know that he wasn't unlike erotic1 he has not made any public statement. And again E1 got what he wanted the guy snapped said some very reprehensible things , but circumstances mean he should not receive the same level of punishment as E1 So to be clear, you're saying that racism and death threats are OK under some circumstances? Especially when someone got your internet space pixels. I disagree, there is NEVER a reason for that. This ^
Read and comprehend Keyword reprehensible as unacceptable . Racism is never ok. I said he should recieve some punishment , but the CIRCUMSTANCES shuld be taken into account. To the best of my knowledge he has never spouted racist crap all over the internet , and made it public . His racist rant, deathreats etc was not intentional . It was a emotional spur of the moment reaction to which he apoligised . When your emotions run high you have never said anything you later regret. Unlike Erotica1 this was not premeditated , and planned out. That fact should be taken into account . |

Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
518
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:59:00 -
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Plug in Baby wrote:Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:I guess the evidence is examined on a case-by-case basis. And a TS recording that matches up with in-game happenings (API, Pod kills) will have more value than some random screenshot of an e-mail that may be easily forged. It says Quote:not able to use anything not Quote:only able to use things that are above a critical difficulty to forge and matches up with in-game happenings (API, Pod Kills) . The policy seems pretty clear, the TS evidence can not be used at all so Sohkar cannot be banned (unless of course he has broken the EULA within the game itself as well and CCP has first hand evidence).
This might well be a case of one GM not knowing what the other did. Or the policy has been updated. But we won't know because CCP won't release details (and rightly so).
Thinking about it, the Mittani incident is pretty much evidence that this policy isn't as clear as you make it out to be. |

Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
1106
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:00:00 -
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Will Erotica 1 still go onto the memorial? |

olan2005
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
65
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:01:00 -
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doubt it , his name now carries to much negative press. CCP dont want the constant reminder of this incident |

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1209
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:02:00 -
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Darkopus wrote:
I don' thave time for sociopaths that attempt to hide behind the veil of a game when getting kicks out of publicly humiliating people for their own masturbatory pleasure. It would appear that CCP thinks the same which is why that deranged fool has been ejected from the game.
fair point! Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2922
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:02:00 -
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olan2005 wrote:Read and comprehend Keyword reprehensible as unacceptable . Racism is never ok. I said he should recieve some punishment , but the CIRCUMSTANCES shuld be taken into account. To the best of my knowledge he has never spouted racist crap all over the internet , and made it public . His racist rant, deathreats etc was not intentional . It was a emotional spur of the moment reaction to which he apoligised . When your emotions run high you have never said anything you later regret. Unlike Erotica1 this was not premeditated , and planned out. That fact should be taken into account . I'd say that if he didn't intentionally spout racism, that's just as bad that he did, if not worse, since that means that when put under pressure his instinct is to resort to racism.
And sure, I've said things I regret under emotional stress. I've never and will never hurl racists abuse because of it though.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1210
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:03:00 -
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olan2005 wrote:Dorn Val wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:olan2005 wrote:you don't know that he wasn't unlike erotic1 he has not made any public statement. And again E1 got what he wanted the guy snapped said some very reprehensible things , but circumstances mean he should not receive the same level of punishment as E1 So to be clear, you're saying that racism and death threats are OK under some circumstances? Especially when someone got your internet space pixels. I disagree, there is NEVER a reason for that. This ^ Read and comprehend Keyword reprehensible as unacceptable . Racism is never ok. I said he should recieve some punishment , but the CIRCUMSTANCES shuld be taken into account. To the best of my knowledge he has never spouted racist crap all over the internet , and made it public . His racist rant, deathreats etc was not intentional . It was a emotional spur of the moment reaction to which he apoligised . When your emotions run high you have never said anything you later regret. Unlike Erotica1 this was not premeditated , and planned out. That fact should be taken into account .
I do partly agree, but when a person loses their temper they lose their inhibitions too revealing the real them, that's why the racist element to this is important. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2922
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:06:00 -
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Darkopus wrote:I don' thave time for sociopaths that attempt to hide behind the veil of a game when getting kicks out of publicly humiliating people for their own masturbatory pleasure. It would appear that CCP thinks the same which is why that deranged fool has been ejected from the game. And that is perfectly fine. But if CCP are going to use their digression to decide if we are sociopath scum or not, it would be nice to know where they draw that line, since it's clear from these threads that the communities definition is incredibly broad. I don't want to see a situation when a player is banned for something that another player is fine to do, and I don't want to see one victim ignored where and identical victim is helped. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Salvos Rhoska
885
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:06:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:I do partly agree, but when a person loses their temper they lose their inhibitions too revealing the real them
False.
When someone, anyone, loses their temper, they behave in a manner that is not the "real" them.
Or are you trying to claim that everyone who is not in a state of losing their temper, is not the real them?
DERP!
Are you not real until you are angry? ------------ |

Ssieth
Tenebras Exteriores Dominatus Atrum Mortis
102
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:09:00 -
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Well - I think that's enough sociopathy for the time being. Off to play EVE rather than EVE Forums. See you all in another 9 years or so :)
o/ W-Spacer.-á Bittervet. 75% PvP, 25% assorted other stuff. |

Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
137
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:10:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
I do partly agree, but when a person loses their temper they lose their inhibitions too revealing the real them, that's why the racist element to this is important.
Nah, the racism card didn't work this time, that's all.
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olan2005
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
65
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:12:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:olan2005 wrote:Dorn Val wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:olan2005 wrote:you don't know that he wasn't unlike erotic1 he has not made any public statement. And again E1 got what he wanted the guy snapped said some very reprehensible things , but circumstances mean he should not receive the same level of punishment as E1 So to be clear, you're saying that racism and death threats are OK under some circumstances? Especially when someone got your internet space pixels. I disagree, there is NEVER a reason for that. This ^ Read and comprehend Keyword reprehensible as unacceptable . Racism is never ok. I said he should recieve some punishment , but the CIRCUMSTANCES shuld be taken into account. To the best of my knowledge he has never spouted racist crap all over the internet , and made it public . His racist rant, deathreats etc was not intentional . It was a emotional spur of the moment reaction to which he apoligised . When your emotions run high you have never said anything you later regret. Unlike Erotica1 this was not premeditated , and planned out. That fact should be taken into account . I do partly agree, but when a person loses their temper they lose their inhibitions too revealing the real them, that's why the racist element to this is important.
it may speak to sohkar true nature And yet again the vast majority of the community have stated what he said was wrong (myself, included) . The vast majority of the community would support some punishment. However do you concede the point that circumstances mean that the punishment should not as severe as erotica1 as it was not premeditated . |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2138
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:14:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Darkopus wrote:I don' thave time for sociopaths that attempt to hide behind the veil of a game when getting kicks out of publicly humiliating people for their own masturbatory pleasure. It would appear that CCP thinks the same which is why that deranged fool has been ejected from the game. And that is perfectly fine. But if CCP are going to use their digression to decide if we are sociopath scum or not, it would be nice to know where they draw that line, since it's clear from these threads that the communities definition is incredibly broad. I don't want to see a situation when a player is banned for something that another player is fine to do, and I don't want to see one victim ignored where and identical victim is helped.
Perhaps you would be kind enough to provide CCP with a set of guidelines - rules which will cover all possible circumstances.
I look forward to you being unable to provide one  This is not a signature. |

Darkopus
State War Academy Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:19:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Darkopus wrote:I don' thave time for sociopaths that attempt to hide behind the veil of a game when getting kicks out of publicly humiliating people for their own masturbatory pleasure. It would appear that CCP thinks the same which is why that deranged fool has been ejected from the game. And that is perfectly fine. But if CCP are going to use their digression to decide if we are sociopath scum or not, it would be nice to know where they draw that line, since it's clear from these threads that the communities definition is incredibly broad. I don't want to see a situation when a player is banned for something that another player is fine to do, and I don't want to see one victim ignored where and identical victim is helped.
CCP guard et al have already told you. Falcon highlighted the existing rules and Guard added that if you feel threatened IRL then go to the law. What you are all asking for now is for more clearly, set in stone guidelines which will never happen because this then opens the gates for people to do deranged acts not expressly forbidden by these new rules and say "it wasn't illegal" leading to more restrictions, more shitpost and taking away a little bit more of the EVE we know.
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Klyith
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
92
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:33:00 -
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Shahrokh Dariush wrote: The amount of bullshit coming out of his mouth (Erotica 1) is amusing... He's just a nice guy trying to help people and always take their feelings into account... yeeeah..
He had 39 billion isk and was only one of a number of people operating the Bonus Room. They can afford to occasionally throw some pity isk at the guys who take it too hard. The thing was about entertainment, not money.
(And if the victim is soothed enough not to petition or complain to CCP, so much the better. There's a reason nothing happened about this for years until Ripard started a moral crusade.) |
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