Goon are stupid. Need I say more?

Goon are stupid. Need I say more?

You mean smart enough to adapt?

CCP are feeding you (nullsec community) with golden spoon ...what the hell you are adapting for ? the new wealth income they are introducing to you ?

What is being handed to them that isn't being handed out everywhere else?

What is being handed to them that isn't being handed out everywhere else?

If it isn't that obvious for you till now, with countless rebuffs to every aspect in game I don't see reason to write wall of text describing what are they.

If it isn't that obvious for you till now, with countless rebuffs to every aspect in game I don't see reason to write wall of text describing what are they.

This i would like to know too. Even though i am in goonswarm, i still do production in highsec aswel, and i am really not too fussed about these changes so far.

hell both you and i lose out way more on this pos safety thing than any of this rabble

For a guy who spends most of his spare time suicide ganking miners in high sec, I'm surprised.

It may surprise you that even nullsec dwellers such as me and my colleagues are invested in industry. Probably more than most people in this thread, come to think of it.

We must be pushed a button or something to bring part of goon forum warriors out to defend these changes....same old ****.

It may surprise you that even nullsec dwellers such as me and my colleagues are invested in industry. Probably more than most people in this thread, come to think of it.

Probably as a slave considering that your CEO hate everything that is industry related.

It doesn't surprise me but as you own large tracts of null you'd be very interested in making it more profitable from a production point of view and HS less so. You don't care all that much. You can take it or leave it. But until I've seen all of the dev blogs and got a broader view of exactly how everything is going to fit together, it's impossible to say whether any of us have a dog in this race or not.

Just remember that taxes change behaviour: You either go and try to find somewhere you'll get taxed less or you just stop doing the thing that's being taxed - you divest, so to speak. I might personally choose the latter. There's an optimal point beyond which an aspect of the game goes from being an interesting little hobby to a pain in the buttox. I don't know if CCP intend to cross that line with this expansion.

It doesn't surprise me but as you own large tracts of null you'd be very interested in making it more profitable from a production point of view and HS less so. You don't care all that much. You can take it or leave it. But until I've seen all of the dev blogs and got a broader view of exactly how everything is going to fit together, it's impossible to say whether any of us have a dog in this race or not.

Just remember that taxes change behaviour: You either go and try to find somewhere you'll get taxed less or you just stop doing the thing that's being taxed - you divest, so to speak. I might personally choose the latter. There's an optimal point beyond which an aspect of the game goes from being an interesting little hobby to a pain in the buttox. I don't know if CCP intend to cross that line with this expansion.

we got a winner here. Exactly there isnt details on these changes yet for a complete picture.

ALl those people that are complaining about now needing to pay to use your assembly arrays in a pos, do you really? where is it said yet? All that is said is that they wont have any slots just like stations and are effected by scaling. But not how they are effected, when do you start paying for them etc

You will be able to see all your blueprints in assembly arrays etc and remotely start jobs from containers, so that should cover your use case.

EDIT: There is also a nice search / filter interface, you will get some time on SiSi to give us feedback on how this works before we go live too.

Thank you for an interesting point, however I think it doesn't negate my argument.

If miner corp wants to be efficient they would need to do something about it. They would need to either ask their friends with a POS for refining/compression - or buy a a corp with standings from players - or find a corp with a tower near them and offer them a deal for those services. If an individual miner wants to be efficient he'll have to find a good corp to join or work really hard and try to get it all himself. They would need to setup networks and find contacts in different locations to move the compressed ore about HS. If they refused to work together in such manner they can always just sell their ore on the Market and other entrepreneurs will gladly buy, compress and re-sell it.

All those possibilities for interaction, enterprises and group activities have been slimmed down to those who are ignorant of the mechanics or don't have time to run a POS themselves. And those type of people usually just sell to the market and don't add any meaningful interaction to the game.

As far as nullsec bears are concerned, their HS miners would need to either follow the same logic, or they can buy it on the market or they can always mine it locally or find corporations in HS and make deals with them instead of ganking them. The flavors of interaction were much more varied.

With standing requirement gone, anyone who just created a 1 man corp can setup a POS and run his own show without ever interacting with anyone, and that's what I don't like about it. POS used to be a goal you strive for, now they turned it into an expensive mobile structure. Things in the game have value because they're hard to attain. The concept of owning a POS just got devalued from a corp wide effort to a cost of a battleship for a single pilot.

Lastly about the code.... really? With everything wrong with the POS, I'm sure standings are their least concern. Unless they're planning to re-do it by thinning it down to a stick in space first.

So we know there is going to be a new "tax" added to ALL pos use, were just waiting on how much.

Sounds like just a series of nerfs to industry players.

So far we have:

1. reduction in the ore yield from barges/exhumer
2. the requirement to train through a dozen or so Level V refining skills and needing to insert an implant to obtain the pre-summer refine levels
3. increased reliance on POS. But the actual mechanics of POS continue to be poor
4. removal of standing for POS anchoring?!

But standing will still be required for managing rental of a corporate office at an NPC station
But standing will still be required for to managing taxes associated with the market
But standing will still be required for to lower taxes on NPC refining facilities


I recall the motto from the ship rebalance: if you could fly it before, you will be able to fly it after. Well seems for Industry: if you could perform something before, you wont be doing it after.

Wonder what else will need to be inserted by the end of these series of dev blogs - hint wont be in the head.

CCP are feeding you (nullsec community) with golden spoon ...what the hell you are adapting for ? the new wealth income they are introducing to you ?

Gah! ****! Change!!! We're all doomed!

I seriously hope that you will not be another fail CSM member like the ones so far, there is just enough kick in the ass for indy people already. Or if CCP wants us out, just let us know.

Somebody mentioned ESO earlier.. maybe I'm missing something, but manufacturing in ESO? I rather preffer GW2 for that, at least the market, inventions and even the manufacturing is the closest to what we have in EVE. Ofc.. it's still a themepark, but hey...