Who cares about time to enter warp with a mwd? If it can't cloak, those 8 secods are enough to be bumped out of alignment until the gank fleet travels from niarja to udeama or the other way around.

If you want that MWD to be useful, the ship needs a high slot for a cloak.

I have in-game fitting window showing around 350k EHP with a DCU II, 2x reinforced bulkheads II, 3x Transverse bulkhead I

This is in the same range as tank-oriented freighters - I'm sure people using the hauler would want as much as possible but this range should be reasonable, yes?

If by "less" you mean "more". The extra low lets you fit an extra bulkhead, giving you almost the same amount of hull while having more shield and armor HP.

Yes, he means less.
In terms of bare numbers yes, it's more but in terms of EHP/cargo (value of items) it's way worst because it can move more stuff around.

You've heard of Polarized weapons, yes ?

Be realistic, considering how paper thin it is, nobody in their right mind will ever use this ship to transport 3 faction BS.

Here's an idea. Would it make sense to prevent cargo scanners from scanning this ship (same as the blockade runners). It would be pretty much hit or miss whether you get anything from killing it.

Of course te counter argument is that every one of these ships will be gank on site.

yeah except this ship already has ~400k ehp, it's already equalling the orca's ehp.

there's literally no justification for more ehp than "i want to mindlessly overload my cargo with no negative repercussions for my stupidity".

you already have some of this functionality; modules fitted to the ships in the ship bay will not show up on a scan.

you could be carrying trillions in officer modules in it, but nobody would know since all they'd see on a scan is a bunch of rifters, merlins and kestrels.

Use a blockade runner to move your fittings, use the Bowhead to move the rigged & insured hulls. ALSO ENSURE YOU DON'T AUTOPILOT THROUGH UEDAMA, NIARJA, DELTOLE or other 0.5 choke points.

Perhaps consider running alongside the hauler with logistics cruisers to ensure that would-be gankers have to focus on alpha damage rather than 30s worth of shooting.

And let's see where it stands after a couple of months, perhaps when CCP sees nobody using it they will try buffing it to the point that people feel safe carrying three Nightmare hulls in one hauler.

You have seen their cost yes?

It carries about 4 times more than Oraca so, it needs 4 times more EHP to keep EHP/cargo ratio

It doesn't matter if you autopilot or not. You will still be bumped out of alignment in the 8..10s MWD cycle.
And a 'choke point' it's well... a choke point. You can't avoid them unless you want to spend the next 3 days moving stuff while traveling 100+ jumps.

take it these people have not seen how some 0.0 moves moon goo on bridged ops either.


For the home audience.....you support this with logistics. Good crews I have seen at least on the first empire interface have the freighters land into a group of logistics. The moon goo and other item freighters are targetted and reps blasted on them even if shots not even fired. One way to avoid a fight is to make it clear the fight not even worth starting A charon you know has basic support in abundance one example of how to implement this. They then get escorted to sale point to the same or lesser extent.

Moral of this story....if the cargo is worth that much to you, protect it. Now will come the well I don't wan't/have logi's on call for this. Well then travel fit your stuff and move it one at a time. CCP gave people what they wanted. But not all of it. A mobile monster fortress was not going to be in the cards. Take what you get and run with it really.

All of that is well and good for moon goo and other goods because you can't hop into your moon goo and fly it around. Needing three pilots to move 3 battleships nullifies any reason for this ship to exist. The whole point of this ship existing is to benefit the pilots flying them. In it's current form needing to be babysat by the same number of pilots as ships you're moving or more, makes the ship less appealing than the Nestor. CCP Spent money on this ship. CCP spent money you paid them on this ship. CCP Spent money on this that is now not available to spend on other things. Do you want your money to matter? Or just end up in a another terrible neglected ship?

TL;DR Your argument of "Use more pilots to protect it" negates any benefit of this ship whatsoever. So in fact, your argument is in FAVOR of a buff, not against it, despite your intentions.

All of that is well and good for moon goo and other goods because you can't hop into your moon goo and fly it around. Needing three pilots to move 3 battleships nullifies any reason for this ship to exist. The whole point of this ship existing is to benefit the pilots flying them. In it's current form needing to be babysat by the same number of pilots as ships you're moving or more, makes the ship less appealing than the Nestor. CCP Spent money on this ship. CCP spent money you paid them on this ship. CCP Spent money on this that is now not available to spend on other things. Do you want your money to matter? Or just end up in a another terrible neglected ship?

TL;DR Your argument of "Use more pilots to protect it" negates any benefit of this ship whatsoever. So in fact, your argument is in FAVOR of a buff, not against it, despite your intentions.

take it these people have not seen how some 0.0 moves moon goo on bridged ops either.

am i reading this right ? barely 3 battleships in hold and you're full?

no it doesn't.

people need to be less dumb.
just because you have x cargo doesn't mean you need to fill all the space.

ehp/cargo ratio is about as useful and relevant as the slugs/snowflakes ratio of my garden.

That was sarcasm :P

Most people flying freighters have a web alt (which can fail on regional gates) so, i don't see the point of using this ship if you are
an incursion runner flying your logi/DPS ships to a new spawn or your DPS/Sniper ships. You can get much more buffer from your individual ships with travel fit and allows you to use mwd+cloak and you can use ASB+AAR.

If you have to move more than 2 ships, this new freighter it's pretty much useless as you will still have to do 2 runs because of how expensive your cargo is: 2 pirate hulls + 2 logi ships will go way over 2bil mark (without fittings) hence, 2 trips.

I might be wrong but i don't see any case where this ships is better for anyone with 2 characters.
And if you have only one character only, the amount you will move at one time to be somehow gank safe will make it useless and you are better using an orca.

i doubt it takes 90 ships to protect it though, so it's still useful for moving harpies....

And what is the purpose of moving 90 harpies trough HS? :)
This ship is intended for HS use as per CCP description

If you feel this way then bring a fleet of your own for protection.

And what is the point of bringing a fleet to escort this ship when in that case you can just more all the ships individually with much more EHP maybe fitting some links in that fleet making them even safer?

Wouldn't make the point of introducing this ship ... well, useless?

Given the current highsec meta of "GANK ALL THE THINGS", I think many people, myself inluded, see a raw speed bonus as a waste. With Bumper Cars Online, a speed bonus is less than useless - it's actually harmful since it increases the unmodified time it takes you to get into warp.

Please consider an agility or (!) hull resistance bonus modifier per level.

And what is the point of bringing a fleet to escort this ship when in that case you can just more all the ships individually with much more EHP maybe fitting some links in that fleet making them even safer?

Wouldn't make the point of introducing this ship ... well, useless?

*shrug* so you might have to make a few choices.

seems fine to me.