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Zalmun
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:50:21 -
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EVE is real. At least if you fly a freighter. |
Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
807
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:50:44 -
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FOl2TY8 wrote:Actually it's about ethics in video game journalism
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
498
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:52:04 -
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but hey please continue with your point |
Paranoid Loyd
2584
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:54:18 -
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Well this has gotten more entertaining, completely off topic but entertaining.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Sub Starasque
Kite Co. Space Trucking Brave Collective
1
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:58:49 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:
the ganker is not at fault for the poor choices of the target, who hath stuffed the coffers to the chock with filthy lucre
You are correct, the ganker is not responsible for that. What they are responsible for is pulling the trigger. Or are you telling me that victim blaming suddenly became a valid argument and that you believe such things like women are responsible for sexual assault because they didn't dress appropriately? The unbelievable stupidity of this comparison has managed to draw out my second post on these forums in as many years. If you feel like you can equate someone's loss of pixels and space money in a video game to sexual assault you are beyond hope.
Disgusting and desperate for attention. |
Miner Hottie
Valar Morghulis. Goonswarm Federation
58
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:59:17 -
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Valterra Craven, just stop and think very carefully about the analogy you are trying to make: The best IRL comparison to freighter ganking is the Somali Pirates capturing freighters, yachts and the like who are traveling through the Gulf of Aden to ransom their cargo, crew and/or loot the goodies on those ships. Any other comparison, like ****/sexual assault is inaccurate and wrong.
Also, victim blaming is dumb on so many levels I won't even go there.
However, playing Eve, a game known to encourage non-consensual PVP means taking steps to manage your risk is sensible and prudent. You consent to those risks when you undock. No one makes you undock or even play this terrible game. Note, the worst that happens in Eve is your ships is blown up (like someone blowing up your car or favorite speed boat) and the parts and cargo stolen (like the Somali pirates do) and then you are podded (there are no real world comparatives to that which I can think of that do it justice) any and all real world analogies need to work within this framework.
It's all about how hot my mining lasers get.
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Schwa Nuts
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
82
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:03:50 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:
the ganker is not at fault for the poor choices of the target, who hath stuffed the coffers to the chock with filthy lucre
You are correct, the ganker is not responsible for that. What they are responsible for is pulling the trigger. Or are you telling me that victim blaming suddenly became a valid argument and that you believe such things like women are responsible for sexual assault because they didn't dress appropriately?
Go ahead. Call CONCORD. They can't un-gank you. |
Bevici Roden
The Maythorn
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:12:54 -
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I like the bowhead. I am unsure if the added ehp buff was needed. |
Bertucio
Chandra Labs
12
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:19:01 -
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She used an analogy. And I think it was a good one.
The goons on this thread - in addition to turning the OP into a circus of self-righteous & irrational vituperative defense of hi-sec ganking (also well known in MMO gaming as griefing) - refuse to even accept the validity of the analogy made here: that we have a classic case of the abuser or griefer blaming the victim for their own abusive behavior.
You know - the Goons seem to think it's some kind of achievement to put together what? 10 - 20 destroyers and take down a lone defenseless freighter in hi-sec. You know what I think it is? A bunch of under-achievers who seem to think taking down defenseless ships in hi-sec is high up in the skill category in Eve. Hell, if any of these guys were in an actual PvP fight - I doubt they'd be able to tell the difference between their butts and black holes in space. |
Thomas Hurt
Future Ventures
339
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:19:15 -
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So the 'Bowhead' is going to give 'Tugjobs'? Jesus Christ, CCP... |
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
498
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:20:52 -
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Bertucio wrote:Hell, if any of these guys were in an actual PvP fight - I doubt they'd be able to tell the difference between their butts and black holes in space. confirming this is why we own half the conquerable nullsec in the game |
Thomas Hurt
Future Ventures
339
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:20:56 -
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I am also chuckling quite heartily at the Goon Knuckleheads & Trolls who fail time & again to defend Highsec ganking. It shouldn't surprise me that people who have regularly established themselves as Sociopaths & Antisocials would be ok with an activity that is the online equivalent of battery. |
Bertucio
Chandra Labs
12
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:26:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Bertucio wrote:Hell, if any of these guys were in an actual PvP fight - I doubt they'd be able to tell the difference between their butts and black holes in space. confirming this is why we own half the conquerable nullsec in the game
When was the last time Goons won an Alliance tournament? Anyone know?
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
501
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:26:24 -
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Thomas Hurt wrote:I am also chuckling quite heartily at the Goon Knuckleheads & Trolls who fail time & again to defend Highsec ganking. It shouldn't surprise me that people who have regularly established themselves as Sociopaths & Antisocials would be ok with an activity that is the online equivalent of battery. i dunno if you'd call it failure with the ol' one two i just gave the prime anti-ganking cheerleader in this thread
but hey we are operating with the same folks who conflate highsec ganks with sexual assault so yeah feel free to recycle that argument with a slightly more palatable crime, i'm sure comparing video game actions with battery is going to work much better |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
501
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:27:24 -
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Bertucio wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Bertucio wrote:Hell, if any of these guys were in an actual PvP fight - I doubt they'd be able to tell the difference between their butts and black holes in space. confirming this is why we own half the conquerable nullsec in the game When was the last time Goons won an Alliance tournament? Anyone know? when was the last time goons ran a team in the AT
because it sure wasn't the last one lmbo |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
501
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:28:09 -
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personally I think highsec ganking is directly equivalent to jaywalking |
Bertucio
Chandra Labs
12
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:29:29 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Thomas Hurt wrote:I am also chuckling quite heartily at the Goon Knuckleheads & Trolls who fail time & again to defend Highsec ganking. It shouldn't surprise me that people who have regularly established themselves as Sociopaths & Antisocials would be ok with an activity that is the online equivalent of battery. i dunno if you'd call it failure with the ol' one two i just gave the prime anti-ganking cheerleader in this thread but hey we are operating with the same folks who conflate highsec ganks with sexual assault so yeah feel free to recycle that argument with a slightly more palatable crime, i'm sure comparing video game actions with battery is going to work much better
Sorry - you're the one who conflated her original statement out of all proportion. She used an analogy and she specifically said it wasn't the same exactly. But you continue to conflate.
So why should any of us here take any of what you say with a grain of salt? In fact, since when should any of us like people who gank defenseless ships in hi-sec? Since when should gankers in hi-sec be considered to have some kind of mark of honor or courage? Instead of being a bunch of under-achieving Eve wusses? |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
338
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:30:45 -
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itt people who believe eve online is a solo game offer their opinions on who the best pvpers in eve online are, something they believe is not allowed in eve online |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
338
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:34:27 -
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we would trade all of our conquered regions and the towering pyramids of skulls we have left in our wake just for a kind word about our pvp prowress from bertucio |
Bertucio
Chandra Labs
12
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:35:28 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:itt people who believe eve online is a solo game offer their opinions on who the best pvpers in eve online are, something they believe is not allowed in eve online
Uh - there are quite a few solo players in Eve. And even more players who like to switch between solo play and group play. But we got the Goons who want everyone to have a fleet of ships every time they fly their freighter in hi-sec. Because - it's the victims fault that they fly freighters in hi-sec.
Goon logic.
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Bertucio
Chandra Labs
13
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:38:58 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:we would trade all of our conquered regions and the towering pyramids of skulls we have left in our wake just for a kind word about our pvp prowress from bertucio
I'm still trying to remember when the Goons last won an alliance tournament - nothing comes to mind ... |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
502
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:40:59 -
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Bertucio wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:itt people who believe eve online is a solo game offer their opinions on who the best pvpers in eve online are, something they believe is not allowed in eve online Uh - there are quite a few solo players in Eve. And even more players who like to switch between solo play and group play. But we got the Goons who want everyone to have a fleet of ships every time they fly their freighter in hi-sec. Because - it's the victims fault that they fly freighters in hi-sec. Goon logic. it damn well is the freighter's fault for hauling an ill-advised amount in their cargohold
freighter pilots have to make the same decisions everyone else in the game makes when deciding what level of wealth to parade around in eve
being in highsec doesn't grant you special purchase from this ironclad fact of life in Eve: Online, a spaceship game |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
339
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:43:43 -
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the mongol hordes did not have ONE person win a jousting tournament, buncha scrubs |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
502
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:43:44 -
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Bertucio wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:we would trade all of our conquered regions and the towering pyramids of skulls we have left in our wake just for a kind word about our pvp prowress from bertucio I'm still trying to remember when the Goons last won an alliance tournament - nothing comes to mind ... i mean obviously it's never, quit being that douche that dances around an issue while begging someone else to disprove a fact you obviously know is false, it is unbecoming
hell we didn't even enter a team in the last one, the one before that we lost horribly, and the one before THAT our CEO sent the application fee to the wrong damn alliance
but it is adorable that our obvious, coruscating pvp prowess, proven by the our names on the map and the countless dead alliances in our wake, is meaningless by your narrow, myopic view of how things are from your highsec hugbox |
Valterra Craven
357
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:44:19 -
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Miner Hottie wrote:Valterra Craven, just stop and think very carefully about the analogy you are trying to make: The best IRL comparison to freighter ganking is the Somali Pirates capturing freighters, yachts and the like who are traveling through the Gulf of Aden to ransom their cargo, crew and/or loot the goodies on those ships. Any other comparison, like ****/sexual assault is inaccurate and wrong.
I have thought very carefully about this. I think very carefully about a lot of things. The problem with your analogy is that it fails on many levels. Somali Pirates operate in open uncontrolled waters were there are few deterrents and very limited if not non existent police and or military response teams. (Though the US navy has respond to a few of their attempts) The best place your analogy would work in Eve would be Low Sec. This discussion is not about low or null sec piracy. The best analogy of a freighter gank to the real world would be to compare an 18 wheeler or armored truck being attacked in broad daylight in the middle of Dallas. A place that has a police force that is very heavily armed and also patrols quite readily. You will note that I also said in posts after my original comment that A. I don't believe that sexual assault in any way shape or form relates to ganking and B. that is not the comparison I made.
Miner Hottie wrote: Also, victim blaming is dumb on so many levels I won't even go there.
We agree. Despite whatever example people come up with, referring back to the laptop in the car as one of them, it is not the victims fault that they are a victim. Because in the end, while it is possible to mitigate risk, risk is never eliminated. Under those circumstances if a person is intent on stealing something, then no amount of mitigation is going to prevent that from happening. A victim can not chose, nor dictate the actions of others, and therefore can not be held responsible for them.
Miner Hottie wrote: However, playing Eve, a game known to encourage non-consensual PVP means taking steps to manage your risk is sensible and prudent. You consent to those risks when you undock. No one makes you undock or even play this terrible game. Note, the worst that happens in Eve is your ships is blown up (like someone blowing up your car or favorite speed boat) and the parts and cargo stolen (like the Somali pirates do) and then you are podded (there are no real world comparatives to that which I can think of that do it justice) any and all real world analogies need to work within this framework.
I 100% agree with you. Which is why all of my analogies work in exactly the way you described.
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captain foivos
State War Academy Caldari State
259
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:45:05 -
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when given the choice between fitting tank and fitting more cargo into the hold, capsuleers choose cargo
and because they choose wrong, every time, now CCP is taking that choice away |
Bertucio
Chandra Labs
13
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:48:05 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Bertucio wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:itt people who believe eve online is a solo game offer their opinions on who the best pvpers in eve online are, something they believe is not allowed in eve online Uh - there are quite a few solo players in Eve. And even more players who like to switch between solo play and group play. But we got the Goons who want everyone to have a fleet of ships every time they fly their freighter in hi-sec. Because - it's the victims fault that they fly freighters in hi-sec. Goon logic. it damn well is the freighter's fault for hauling an ill-advised amount in their cargohold freighter pilots have to make the same decisions everyone else in the game makes when deciding what level of wealth to parade around in eve being in highsec doesn't grant you special purchase from this ironclad fact of life in Eve: Online, a spaceship game
Yeah - you really had to work hard to blow that freighter up. You had to have all those destroyers and you all had to shoot at once, and one of you even had to bump that freighter. Yeah - that was really challenging and hard for you to do. Especially in hi-sec.
Risk versus Reward! Definitely you're putting out for your reward!! Hey man - if Goons haven't won the Alliance Tournament - you really deserve too! Maybe they'll allow freighters in the tournament! |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
339
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:49:29 -
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i went all-in on a poker hand when i had an eight high
how dare you say me losing was my fault, I AM A VICTIM you didn't have to call when you had four aces
this is victim-blaming |
Valterra Craven
357
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:49:40 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:
being in highsec doesn't grant you special purchase from this ironclad fact of life in Eve: Online, a spaceship game
Funny, because I agree with you. I 100% think ganking should be allowed. I 100% think you are well within your right to commit ganks for whatever reason you or anyone else for that matter chooses to do so.
The problem comes into play when you want to argue that your actions should not have equal and opposite consequences, or that somehow the gamer on the other end of the internet is responsible for the choices you make. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
502
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:51:04 -
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Bertucio wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote: it damn well is the freighter's fault for hauling an ill-advised amount in their cargohold
freighter pilots have to make the same decisions everyone else in the game makes when deciding what level of wealth to parade around in eve
being in highsec doesn't grant you special purchase from this ironclad fact of life in Eve: Online, a spaceship game
Yeah - you really had to work hard to blow that freighter up. You had to have all those destroyers and you all had to shoot at once, and one of you even had to bump that freighter. Yeah - that was really challenging and hard for you to do. Especially in hi-sec. Risk versus Reward! Definitely you're putting out for your reward!! i find your pernicious refusal to accept that we don't use destroyers to gank freighters to be adorable
look up the kills, every goddamn one of them in the last month or two has been with taloses
but hey keep on keepin on inside your hugbox there |
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