Funny, because I agree with you. I 100% think ganking should be allowed. I 100% think you are well within your right to commit ganks for whatever reason you or anyone else for that matter chooses to do so.

The problem comes into play when you want to argue that your actions should not have equal and opposite consequences, or that somehow the gamer on the other end of the internet is somehow responsible for the choices you make.

You are correct, the ganker is not responsible for that. What they are responsible for is pulling the trigger.

Or are you telling me that victim blaming suddenly became a valid argument and that you believe such things like women are responsible for sexual assault because they didn't dress appropriately?

You seriously compared ganking PVP in a video game to sexual assault. Seriously.

That's like comparing someone hitting someone with a dodgeball while they weren't looking to sexual assault.

Get help.

Actually - I think hi-sec should be gank proof, unless someone war-decs you. The ganking going on in Uedama right now is just another kind of griefing IMO.

But that's just my opinion, and I know you and others don't agree with me. I really have found it misguided that there seems to be this ironclad motto in Eve that gankers should have free reign anywhere in the game. I think it narrows the game quite a bit. Really - to open up the game to all kinds of players you should allow for different areas (as in most MMOs) where different play styles and game playing can be encouraged.

This is a space simulation - so you got an unlimited canvas to create an almost unlimited amount of different mechanics, environments, ships, deployments etc. To make the game only fun so a certain alliance can grief players who just are out missioning or doing incursioning etc in hi-sec - an area designated in Eve as suppose to be pretty safe - I think does a disservice to what I suspect is a pretty large base of players who enjoy Eve without having to deal with the gankers or even PvP.

What's limiting here is the mindset and insistence that all areas of Eve must absolutely be played like you're in nul-sec. It's a counter-productive view of Eve and limiting. I hope the future development of Eve takes this narrow view into account- and broadens its player base by allowing all sorts of gameplay in the sandbox - providing different areas for gameplay - and not making Eve into one huge force projection for one alliance that wants to dictate everything in the game and thereby ruining the gameplay for many.

To make the game only fun so a certain alliance can grief players who just are out missioning or doing incursioning etc in hi-sec - an area designated in Eve as suppose to be pretty safe - I think does a disservice to what I suspect is a pretty large base of players who enjoy Eve without having to deal with the gankers or even PvP.

You seriously compared ganking PVP in a video game to sexual assault. Seriously.

That's like comparing someone hitting someone with a dodgeball while they weren't looking to sexual assault.

Get help.

But to be honest, what's funny is that given the current way players play the game is that if you are in stable alliance that is properly setup that 0.0 is far less risky than empire. I've lost far more to ganks in empire than I've even come close to losing in null sec. Which is odd given the motto with greater risk comes great rewards.

I fully support your right to have and voice that opinion, which is the difference between me and the majority of goons. Having an opposing opinion is not tantamount to blasphemy unlike what the antics of most of them would lead you to believe. Personally I find that there is risk everywhere in Eve thrilling.

But to be honest, what's funny is that given the current way players play the game is that if you are in stable alliance that is properly setup that 0.0 is far less risky than empire. I've lost far more to ganks in empire than I've even come close to losing in null sec. Which is odd given the motto with greater risk comes great rewards.

Now I'm not saying that all areas of Eve should be played the same. What I am saying is that activities should be properly balanced against each other. And given all of the disadvantages the defender is under compared to the attacker as the ganker, I feel that this balance needs another pass. The problem is that most of the people on the other side would rather result to spewing drivel and nonsense rather than showing/proving why they believe that this mechanic is perfectly fine the way it is.

I'm still laughing at the person who thinks all the Goons do is gank in destroyers all around highsec

the real joke is that I am wasting my time with a person who literally compared being ganked to sexual assault in any capacity whatsoever but far be it for me to imply that my time has any actual value

literally arguing for an invincible eve ship

Yeah - that's so funny!

Funny, because I agree with you. I 100% think ganking should be allowed. I 100% think you are well within your right to commit ganks for whatever reason you or anyone else for that matter chooses to do so.

The problem comes into play when you want to argue that your actions should not have equal and opposite consequences, or that somehow the gamer on the other end of the internet is responsible for the choices you make.

Seriously, if you haven't laughed and half the posts in this thread, there is something wrong with you. While misguided and trolltastic at times, it has to be one of the more amusing reads in a while...

itt: slowly peeling the layers of cognitive dissonance and the occasional tumblr-borne worldview away to expose the harsh reality that makes eve: online beautiful and unique

Seriously. Seriously!

Why so serious?

itt: slowly peeling the layers of cognitive dissonance and the occasional tumblr-borne worldview away to expose the harsh reality that makes eve: online beautiful and unique

What makes eve online beautiful and unique is different for different people and different types of gameplay. Stop trying to make the rest of us play only the game you want to play.

that you think that we are somehow transforming eve into anything is your primary error

eve has always been this way, long before a single goon stepped foot onto its soil

pretending it's never been this way sets you up for some serious issues down the road

You're arguing that since something has been in Eve for a long time it should stay? Sorry - not only is that weak sauce, it also ignores the fact that destroyer dynamics have changed in Eve AND that there has never been a tugboat (which really is a ferry not a tugboat) in Eve.

Why not think different? Heck, why not evolve Eve instead of insisting it remain the same?

She used an analogy. And I think it was a good one.

The goons on this thread - in addition to turning the OP into a circus of self-righteous & irrational vituperative defense of hi-sec ganking (also well known in MMO gaming as griefing) - refuse to even accept the validity of the analogy made here: that we have a classic case of the abuser or griefer blaming the victim for their own abusive behavior.

You know - the Goons seem to think it's some kind of achievement to put together what? 10 - 20 destroyers and take down a lone defenseless freighter in hi-sec. You know what I think it is? A bunch of under-achievers who seem to think taking down defenseless ships in hi-sec is high up in the skill category in Eve. Hell, if any of these guys were in an actual PvP fight - I doubt they'd be able to tell the difference between their butts and black holes in space.

none of that really changes the fact that eve's raison d'+¬tre is that there is no perfect safety, that anyone that has a mind to it can mess with you