Why does this new freighter not have a jump drive?

Just as an aside, you're severely betraying your lack of knowledge about how the game works with this post. When moving non-supercapital ships via non-jump-bridge jumps, you always light the cyno at a station, not at the POS. Lighting the cyno at a pos is a suicidal measure due to the inefficacy of pos guns and, while theoretically possible, is just stupid compared to the alternative that removes a significant portion of the risk.

Titan bridge chains often cut through lowsec to get between two nullsec points as a consequence of wanting to take the shortest path to a destination. Taking the shortest path cuts down on the pilots needed to do the task and, mighty though the CFC may be, we are still limited by the number of available titan pilots. See trail_of_tears.png for more info. Again, betraying your lack of knowledge about the things which you discuss.

You know what else does what you've described? Interceptors and Jump Freighters. In fact, interceptors do it up to eight times more quickly than the tug (depending on how much warp speed both options have been afforded and the exact route.) They do it significantly more safely to boot, due to being able to ignore bubbles. You simply cannot craft this vignette without compensating for the existence of the Interceptor. It's just not possible.

This is because you actually don't observe or have any real information about what we actually do. You're just making up fanfic due to the nature of the mechanics in question fomenting a position of extreme cognitive dissonance.

Because you've done nothing but nerf Miniluv and highsec ganking for the last year and a half or so.

Alright, we're talking about it here and think there's probably no good reason not to raise the HP some. Where do you guys think it needs to be to make say, three t2 fit BS, inefficient to gank?

And you're right about afk travel vs active travel, switching to agility to support align time sounds good to me.

That's what Jump Beacons are for. But for the sake of argument I concede the occasional use of cynos on stations. That still does not put these ships in any danger as proper fleets to kill of potential bubbles are on the POS. It only takes a couple of ceptors to drive off Sabres or prevent them from decloaking, and a scout on the POS to tell whether there are bubbles or not. It also only takes a couple of ships to remove anchored bubbles, should there be any.

No titan bridge to any of your areas of space cuts through any Low sec. Neither from Deklein to Fountain nor from Deklein to Vale. Moot point. Other areas of conflict I don't consider as they are outside your space. It only takes 12 titan bridges to get from Deklein to the border system in Delve, or 5 to get to border systems in Vale, and none of them come even close to Low sec. What else you do with your titans and bridges is of no concern to me. What is of concern, however, is the fact that ships can be moved with little effort and little Fatigue within your space, and that goes against what Phoebe intends to change.

I don't describe JF as JF cannot move fitted ships and transporting fitted ships with ease is the problem. I also don't describe ceptors as ceptors can only carry 1 pilot through space and not ships for a full squad in a fleet. They sure can move 1 pilot to a stash, but are near useless if there is no stash. And such a stash can be created easily with the Bowheads and of course also JF, albeit with more effort for the transporters. That is a big difference for me.

That fanfic, how you like to call it, is certainly very close to reality. I have already seen super capital camps and roams, albeit only on screenshots of friends. But I have not seen your titans, or any titans for that matter, roaming around, freeing themselves of the shackles that POS and bridge tool impose on them. Correct me, if I am wrong.

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As promised, here is your brand new ship-moving ship - the Bowhead.

As promised, here is your brand new ship-moving ship - the Bowhead.

We originally expected this to be a sister ship to the Orca, but after digging into the details realized that it was really more of a freighter and by setting it up that way we could avoid heavier skill requirements that had nothing to do with its role. This means we are going to introduce a new skill: ORE Freighter, which requires ORE Industrial III and Advanced spaceship command V just like other faction freighter skills.

There isn't much else to say other than that this ship is intended for a specific niche: high-sec transport of fitted/insured ships. It may find applications in other parts of space (especially because of the reduced jump fatigue), but we aren't really worried about hitting anything outside of the high-sec application. Because we were starting from scratch here, we decided to give a little more fitting flexibility (mid slots and rig slots), meaning the base hp is set a little lower than other freighters since you can actually get the EHP higher using rigs and a DCU.

Let us know what you think.

BOWHEAD

Ore Freighter Bonus:
5% bonus to max velocity per level
5% bonus to ship maintenance array capacity per level

Role Bonus:
90% reduction in jump fatigue generation


Slot layout: 0H, 3M, 3L, 3R; 0 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 1350 PWG, 215 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 10000 / 11000 / 36500
Capacitor (amount / recharge) : 3900 / 235000
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / warp speed): 65 / .065 / 640000000 / 1.37
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 51.5km / 45 / 3
Capacity (cargo / ship maintenance array): 4000 / 1300000 (goes up to 1.6 something with ore freighter 5)
Sensor strength: 12
Signature radius: 3200

I think you're playing the wrong game.

Nobody moves 4 billion ISK worth of cargo risk free.

Come to think of it, imagine if the hauler pilot lost 200k SP (a single subsystem worth from IV to V) for each T3 destroyed in their SMB. Now that'd be interesting...

and we chose not to name them ferries because?

I appreciate all the theory crafters and people showing what the fit can be. I agree it could use a shade more ehp and am discussing it internally but I am NOT trying to make it invulnerable to the point that sufficient gankers will tidi themselves into boredom.

It was stated to be a hisec ship. Why are you all in a tizzy about its usage (or lack of therein) in low or null? Yes you can take it there if you want to but you don't have to.

I asked for this ship knowing damn well it would be a gank target and in discussion with people in hisec most of them understood that as well. NOBODY should expect total safety and balancing your safety vs the want to do things is a part of the game. Live with it or don't fly it. Simple as that.

I appreciate all the theory crafters and people showing what the fit can be. I agree it could use a shade more ehp and am discussing it internally but I am NOT trying to make it invulnerable to the point that sufficient gankers will tidi themselves into boredom.

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Just because it is a transport and you dont want to hurt null logisitics - remember this ship doesnt exist. Therefore there is no "harm" done removing the "industrial" bonuses to fatigue. You cannot lose what you never had in the first place. Plenty of precedent on this in removing MMJD from ABC, for example.

Arguments re: fatigue in this thread are funny because they imply that fatigue reduction is tantamount to the complete elimination of fatigue in general. This is patently false GÇö even fatigue bonused ships must wait before jumping, and have their ability to travel significantly hampered by fatigue. Don't believe me? Go do a jump freighter run on Serenity right now, and then do one on Tranquility later.

any chance you can float this I mentioned earlier:



To give it this reduction devalues the point of the original change. No logisitcs were planned around an unreleased hull and the damned thing is intended for high sec. It undermines the jump changes, imho.

We should be reducing fatigue bonused hulls, not adding bleeding new ones.