no more god damn ships, or effects updates, or 0.0 nerfs, for **** sake finish the god damn station interiors. FINISH THE **** YOU START ON ...... hopefully the legions expantion for dust will cause you people to finish this. and Btw Pheobe is absolutly ****.
finish what you have promised us since 2006 when it was known as "Ambulation" aka "WIS" we dont need anymore ships to lose or space gadgets . not saying ill stay in station if this is ever finished but damn I was liking the idea of Corp owned bars and what not. I would love to accully walk into a corp office not just a god damn apartment which really has no practical use.

you idiots whine and ***** that CCP never has the funds to expand or do other interesting stuff, finish that up and i bet you get a lot bigger playerbase.

I never said it did, I simply commented on Santa's post/question about the result of a higher max speed being taking longer to go into warp, which is a bad idea in my opinion and evidently in his as well.

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Celly Smunt

PS. not talking about the mwd trick, just base ships only differing in the pilot's skills.

So it is effectively a JF with more cargo room?
How far can it jump because if it is only as far as a carrier...might as well use a carrier.
If on the other hand its cargo was a lot more then 3 fitted BS say 4-5 then I could see it being used.

That being said...any new ships are welcomed

Sadly, there is no jump drive

The demands of risk-adverse players are rampant in this thread. Give it 500k EHP!! Give it 600k EHP!! Allow it to carry 4-5 fitted battleships AND give it 600k EHP!!! But as many people have reasonably pointed out, just because you can carry X does not mean you should have a tank that makes it necessarily unprofitable to be killed while hauling X.

The more convenient / useful something is in EVE, the more potential risk it should involve. Moving a fitted battleship manually, the old way, is less convenient than hauling a few in the Bowhead--the Bowhead should Not *also* be safer as well, as that completely reverses the risk-reward balance. The Bowhead is going to make life a lot easier for many groups, including solo players such as myself. As a result though, it should bring with it great potential risk, such as being a prime target for ganks.

No, we already have ship haulers with jump drives, they're called carriers...

(not trying to be an ass, but seriously, we have that already and CCP just nerfed them cause they were too easy)

and BTW, not just no, but Hell NO!!!!!

*wink*

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Celly Smunt

I'm not sure what your definition of risk is here. You spend a billion ISK on a hi-sec freighter (assuming you buy the right buff mods etc). You put in near a billion worth of ISK of ships to freight around. And you get ganked by 10-15 cheap dessies in Uedama.

So who is doing all the risk and who isn't?

Sigh. Gankers - they are the biggest cry babies in Eve when they can't gank your 2 Billion ISK freighter for free in Hi-Sec. And they swear up and down that you're not taking enough risk

said the carebears who've spent the whole thread saying "ccp we need more ehp!". yes, that's right, wanting more ehp on one of the tankiest ships in high sec. gg.

Yeah I'd like to see some gankers in Uedama take some real risk for a change - like spend a billion ISK to take down a billion ISK freighter.

Oh yeah - *crickets*. I thought so.

First of all. Has CCP clarified on whether the ships in the SMA of this ship will actually drop or no upon getting ganked? It's an important question on the whole risk vs reward scale.

Also, as someone already said in this thread, the greatest need for solo pilots to move multiple rigged BS in highsec are incursion runners moving between sites. If this group is CCP's intended target for using Bowhead, then obviously the ships maximum tanking capability needs to be increased (or else they'd use alternative methods of moving ships, which makes a lot of things pointless).

A simple solution is to create more dedicate modules to let pilot to choose the space vs tank vs travel time. The current modules are not enough. For example, make a module to reduce SMA space but to give the ship more EHP.

The bottom line is the new ship's function should not solely be introducing inferior ways to do things that other methods do better.

We need more nerfs to ganking in high. Hasn't been nerved nearly enough.

Let's be honest here. High sec tanking is extremely profitable. Your group brags constantly about it. Moving the EHP up where suicide ganking this ship with T2 fit battleships inside unprofitable is a good move.

I'm sure your group will turn that frown upside down and dry away the tears.

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isk is not a balancing factor.

and nor will it ever be, because that's ********.

Let's be honest here. High sec ganking is extremely profitable. Your group brags constantly about it. Moving the EHP up where suicide ganking this ship with T2 fit battleships inside unprofitable is a good move.

I'm sure your group will turn that frown upside down and dry away the tears.

You're not making a lick of sense now, other than an irrational insistence you have to be right. Of course ISK makes a difference and determines the risk.

i didn't say it didn't.

try reading my post.

Alright, we're talking about it here and think there's probably no good reason not to raise the HP some. Where do you guys think it needs to be to make say, three t2 fit BS, inefficient to gank?

And you're right about afk travel vs active travel, switching to agility to support align time sounds good to me.

I have in-game fitting window showing around 350k EHP with a DCU II, 2x reinforced bulkheads II, 3x Transverse bulkhead I

This is in the same range as tank-oriented freighters - I'm sure people using the hauler would want as much as possible but this range should be reasonable, yes?

Carriers got nerfed, but jump freighters didn't, logistics was not the reason why jump drives got nerfed. Using carriers to move anything now requires an alt to get around the fatigue mechanic, and takes forever because of the short jump range, it really would be nice to get a non-combat ship as an replacement for the pre-nerf suitcase carrier.