Alright, added quite a bit of base hp (mostly in shield, some in structure) and changed the max velocity bonus to agility. OP is updated with new numbers.

If you have to move 2 ships, you don't have a problem that this ship solves.

Move along.

420K EHP is an outstanding number. The things will be effectively ungankable. Very nice. I much approve. These numbers also make a lot of the recent posts on this thread inapplicable.

Seriously? effectively ungankable?
You can bump this ship out of alignment until downtime and bringing a few waves of cheap fit destroyers to kill it.
It's pretty damn easy to draw concord away between waves.

I like it more with the shield increase because now you can bring your 2nd char in a loki with links and maybe surprise the gankers :)

could surprise them even more by webbing it so they get less of a chance to bump you, too.

Alright, added quite a bit of base hp (mostly in shield, some in structure) and changed the max velocity bonus to agility. OP is updated with new numbers.

indeed all ORE ships are meant too be shield tank ..
how about ...Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 45000 / 8000 / 26500 .. reduce the lowslots to 1 DCU.

so Rise any response too this???

1 DCU, 2 t2 bulkhead, 3 t1 transverse, 3 t2 invuln is around 420k EHP, is that the numbers you were hoping for?

Seriously? effectively ungankable?
You can bump this ship out of alignment until downtime and bringing a few waves of cheap fit destroyers to kill it.
It's pretty damn easy to draw concord away between waves.

I like it more with the shield increase because now you can bring your 2nd char in a loki with links and maybe surprise the gankers :)

1 DCU, 2 t2 bulkhead, 3 t1 transverse, 3 t2 invuln is around 420k EHP, is that the numbers you were hoping for?

Alright, added quite a bit of base hp (mostly in shield, some in structure) and changed the max velocity bonus to agility. OP is updated with new numbers.

How many people do you see doing that?

Oh, that's right - virtually none. Organized ganking is played up because it does a lot of damage - but as of right now, only two organizations have even remotely enough resources and talent to do it on a semi-regular basis. Mine is one of them.

And I sure as hell for sure won't bother with a 420k Bowhead (which would take me I think 55 Catalysts in a 0.5? Far more in higher secs, of course. I don't have that kind of manpower), especially when -the ship and cargo scanners don't reveal the fitting of ships in SMAs-. Why would I gank something when I have no idea of its value? Aside from for strategic purposes / removing assets from someone I deem hostile. But that's a big time/money commitment.

The above being said, it looks as if CCP doesn't actually know what goes through a ganker's mind. If only there was someone who knew the ins and outs of ganking around here...

Suicide ganking is in my opinion one of the few fun things left in EVE, and it has been nothing but nerfed into the ground. I'm not talking about people 'adapting' (we've seen that), I'm talking about straight-from-CCP nerfs.

(Don't forget that cargo scanners also can't scan past two layers of container - working as intended, CCP?)

The fix for SMB will come in Rhea or next patch, didn't Rise say that at the beginning of the thread?

And you don't need all 55 cata at the same time, just eject them from an orca or another Bowhead and your pilots will just reship.
I've seen more than a few freighters killed by 2 waves while i was doing hauling.

And the scanning double wrapped packages .. you don't even need to see it. Who does that, for sure they have something to hide :)

I don't mind Marauders, BSs, blinged T3s being gnanked.
Big transport ships on the other hand, are pretty much defenseless. Well, not Orca but all the other ships are defenseless.
At least on Bowhead you can fit some resits mods.

How many people do you see doing that?

Oh, that's right - virtually none. Organized ganking is played up because it does a lot of damage - but as of right now, only two organizations have even remotely enough resources and talent to do it on a semi-regular basis. Mine is one of them.

And I sure as hell for sure won't bother with a 420k Bowhead (which would take me I think 55 Catalysts in a 0.5? Far more in higher secs, of course. I don't have that kind of manpower), especially when -the ship and cargo scanners don't reveal the fitting of ships in SMAs-. Why would I gank something when I have no idea of its value? Aside from for strategic purposes / removing assets from someone I deem hostile. But that's a big time/money commitment.

The above being said, it looks as if CCP doesn't actually know what goes through a ganker's mind. If only there was someone who knew the ins and outs of ganking around here...

Suicide ganking is in my opinion one of the few fun things left in EVE, and it has been nothing but nerfed into the ground. I'm not talking about people 'adapting' (we've seen that), I'm talking about straight-from-CCP nerfs.

(Don't forget that cargo scanners also can't scan past two layers of container - working as intended, CCP?)

Suicide ganking in highsec is ruining Eve. This is why so many of our new players quit in the first few weeks. CCP, please do more things like this to make ships un-gankable.

If you have any doubts, complete this sentence to yourself - " I like non-consensual ---."

Think of anything you like there?

Non-consensual PVP is ruining Eve. Make the jerks go to lowsec or nullsec for PVP.


Cheers

Tell us why it is fun. Serious question.

How many people do you see doing that?

Oh, that's right - virtually none. Organized ganking is played up because it does a lot of damage - but as of right now, only two organizations have even remotely enough resources and talent to do it on a semi-regular basis. Mine is one of them.

And I sure as hell for sure won't bother with a 420k Bowhead (which would take me I think 55 Catalysts in a 0.5? Far more in higher secs, of course. I don't have that kind of manpower), especially when -the ship and cargo scanners don't reveal the fitting of ships in SMAs-. Why would I gank something when I have no idea of its value? Aside from for strategic purposes / removing assets from someone I deem hostile. But that's a big time/money commitment.

The above being said, it looks as if CCP doesn't actually know what goes through a ganker's mind. If only there was someone who knew the ins and outs of ganking around here...

Suicide ganking is in my opinion one of the few fun things left in EVE, and it has been nothing but nerfed into the ground. I'm not talking about people 'adapting' (we've seen that), I'm talking about straight-from-CCP nerfs.

(Don't forget that cargo scanners also can't scan past two layers of container - working as intended, CCP?)

Again, try not to assume too much about the ganker mindset.

Seriously? effectively ungankable?
You can bump this ship out of alignment until downtime and bringing a few waves of cheap fit destroyers to kill it.
It's pretty damn easy to draw concord away between waves.

I like it more with the shield increase because now you can bring your 2nd char in a loki with links and maybe surprise the gankers :)

three things.

A) yes the ehp bump is completely necessary. We're talking about a ship capable of holding 3 battleships. the main niche that will use this more than anything is incursions runners which they will be faction ships most likely. If you do a cargo scan and see 2 vindi's and a mach. you don't need to see their fitting to know there is a lot of value. Not to mention it's a shield ehp boost so at least you can bring support ships as a security convoy AS THE GAME WAS INTENDED.

B) Are people going to gank it not knowing the value? Hell yes. That's the most ridiculous argument i have ever seen considering how many freighters are suicide ganked already with NOTHING in the cargo hold simply for "the tears".

C) If the ONLY thing you find fun in this game is suicide ganking please go play another game. Your subs won't be missed.

That being said, the fact that people can repeatedly kill ships in hi sec over and over again is stupid. Think of it this way. Criminals today usually get second and third chances, but at some point, the legal systems realizes a person is a lost cause and removes them civilization.

Nah. Get yourself billions of dollars and you can get away with murder, even mass murder, in the real world.