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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
338
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:40:18 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote: perhaps if the only way you see to win an argument is to insinuate your opponents are rapists, you should consider it a sign your argument is a bad one and you should admit you were wrong
Well if i had actually insinuated that my opponent was a rapist then I would consider my argument a bad one. But considering that's not even remotely close to what I did, means I don't. is this another situation where you have forgotten the thing you posted like we had a few pages ago
what you posted is right here in black and white you're not going to be able to pretend you didn't |

Valterra Craven
356
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:42:01 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote: is this another situation where you have forgotten the thing you posted like we had a few pages ago
what you posted is right here in black and white you're not going to be able to pretend you didn't
Nope, I actually re-read the statement several times within the last 5 minutes just to ensure that what I'm being accused of didn't actually happen and every way that I look at it, what you accused me of is not possible.
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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
338
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:54:19 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote: is this another situation where you have forgotten the thing you posted like we had a few pages ago
what you posted is right here in black and white you're not going to be able to pretend you didn't
Nope, I actually re-read the statement several times within the last 5 minutes just to ensure that what I'm being accused of didn't actually happen and every way that I look at it, what you accused me of is not possible. perhaps you should read it a few more times then and then once you get why your post was so offensive, then go read your post about "well i had to do it, it was the only way to win an argument over internet spaceships"
you also have failed to wrestle with how offensive your comparison of the loser of an internet spaceship pvp encounter in a game based on having losers of internet spaceship pvp encounters to victims of sexual assault that has been pointed out repeatedly
perhaps you should mull that over as well, while i contemplate how awful a person i am because i victim-blamed when i told my brother that he lost a game of chess because he kept walking his important pieces into my pawns
i didn't have to kill his queen, it is truly wrong to tell him he is to blame for losing his queen. he is the victim here. |

Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5621
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:01:56 -
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What the hell happened to this thread?
The Paradox
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
494
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:13:31 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:What the hell happened to this thread? Valterra Crave mistakenly revealed his power level
basically goonswarm is Claire Mccaskill and he is Todd Akin |

Valterra Craven
356
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:14:02 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:
perhaps you should read it a few more times then and then once you get why your post was so offensive, then go read your post about "well i had to do it, it was the only way to win an argument over internet spaceships"
you also have failed to wrestle with how offensive your comparison of the loser of an internet spaceship pvp encounter in a game based on having losers of internet spaceship pvp encounters to victims of sexual assault that has been pointed out repeatedly
perhaps you should mull that over as well, while i contemplate how awful a person i am because i victim-blamed when i told my brother that he lost a game of chess because he kept walking his important pieces into my pawns
i didn't have to kill his queen, it is truly wrong to tell him he is to blame for losing his queen. he is the victim here.
Done. Now, I completely understand why you are offended by my argument. I'm not saying saying the case I made wasn't extreme. But it was extreme on purpose. The argument that many gankers have made that its the victims fault that they got killed is as equally offensive an extreme to me. I know of no other example that is not as equally extreme that would convey how vile the argument that the victim is at fault for anything is.
As to your other point, I haven't failed to wrestle with anything, because I wasn't comparing the loser of a spaceship game to a sexual assault victim. For the record I in no way shape or form think they are even remotely the same thing. What I did do was point out the distinction that if that line of thought were carried out (which it often is with grave consequences in real life) that it also applies to other situations that are vile and reprehensible and in neither case are they valid lines of thought.
I'd also like to point out that all of your examples to date are pretty disingenuous. For starters the participants of both tic tac toe and chess are playing under the guise that there will be a winner and a loser. On the other hand a person playing in hi sec is under the guise that his game time should be allowed to be spent playing the game in a solo manner if he so chooses. Its already been pointed out that fitting for tank in some situations is irrelevant. (I've got a kill mail proving this of a fully tanked mining barge on one of my characters that sill got ganked when TEST was all butt hurt they got kicked out of Null sec and decided to poop on other people who didn't care one way or another) Code is a perfect example of how you fit being completely irrelevant to the fact of whether they kill you or not. In either case the person getting ganked has zero choice in the matter with the one exception of not playing the game. |

Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
494
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:14:57 -
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if it's a legitimate gank then the freighter has ways to shut that whole process down |

Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
494
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:17:06 -
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Valterra Craven wrote: Done. Now, I completely understand why you are offended by my argument. I'm not saying saying the case I made wasn't extreme. But it was extreme on purpose. The argument that many gankers have made that its the victims fault that they got killed is as equally offensive an extreme to me. I know of no other example that is not as equally extreme that would convey how vile the argument that the victim is at fault for anything is.
this guy seriously believes this |

Valterra Craven
356
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:17:19 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote: he is Todd Akin
What's wrong with Todd Akin? |

Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
268
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:20:47 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:What the hell happened to this thread?
Goons came...thread trolled. NT |

Valterra Craven
356
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:21:20 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:if it's a legitimate gank then the freighter has ways to shut that whole process down
Oh? Please enlighten me as to the process that a freighter can be completely invulnerable to a gank?
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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
338
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:22:35 -
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Valterra Craven wrote: Done. Now, I completely understand why you are offended by my argument. I'm not saying saying the case I made wasn't extreme. But it was extreme on purpose. The argument that many gankers have made that its the victims fault that they got killed is as equally offensive an extreme to me. I know of no other example that is not as equally extreme that would convey how vile the argument that the victim is at fault for anything is.
so after this thought and contemplation you have chosen after all this time to double-down on that the loser of a gank in eve online, a pvp game specifically designed to allow ganking as legitimate gameplay, is a victim and saying they are responsible for their loss is as offensive as saying as the victim of a sexual assault is responsible for their sexual assault
really
that's what you decided to do, after all this thought and furiously decrying that you were minimizing sexual assault or comparing gankers to sexual assaulters
Valterra Craven wrote: I'd also like to point out that all of your examples to date are pretty disingenuous. For starters the participants of both tic tac toe and chess are playing under the guise that there will be a winner and a loser. On the other hand a person playing in hi sec is under the guise that his game time should be allowed to be spent playing the game in a solo manner if he so chooses.
so the gankee becomes a victim because he had a completely wrong view of the rules of the game despite devs specifically saying that he is wrong
i see
tell me, when you lose in a game to a strategy that you did not anticipate but is well-known to better players do you consider yourself a civtim |

Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
494
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:23:36 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:if it's a legitimate gank then the freighter has ways to shut that whole process down Oh? Please enlighten me as to the process that a freighter can be completely invulnerable to a gank? it is a reference to american politics re: your position vis a vis sexual assault and ganks |

EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
338
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:24:51 -
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i thought that my titan was invincible because it was expensive, then i piloted it around unfit and then pl killed it
i am a victim and don't you dare tell me it's my fault for flying a titan around solo without a fit or supporting fleet because I DIDN'T KNOW they could do that |

Zalmun
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:31:19 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:if it's a legitimate gank then the freighter has ways to shut that whole process down
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
822
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:31:49 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:
the ganker is not at fault for the poor choices of the target, who hath stuffed the coffers to the chock with filthy lucre
You are correct, the ganker is not responsible for that. What they are responsible for is pulling the trigger. Or are you telling me that victim blaming suddenly became a valid argument and that you believe such things like women are responsible for sexual assault because they didn't dress appropriately? You do realize that comparing Eve mechanics to real life tragedies, makes people think you are a total ******* moron, right? |

Capt Starfox
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
777
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:32:00 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:
the ganker is not at fault for the poor choices of the target, who hath stuffed the coffers to the chock with filthy lucre
You are correct, the ganker is not responsible for that. What they are responsible for is pulling the trigger. Or are you telling me that victim blaming suddenly became a valid argument and that you believe such things like women are responsible for sexual assault because they didn't dress appropriately?
IRL crime != Eve Online pixel starship space explosion crime. But, I fear you may not be smart enough to get it. 
Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
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Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
807
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:32:48 -
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If you didn't want to get ganked Weaselior, then you shouldn't have fit your titan so sexily. It was basically asking for it. |

HarlyQ
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:34:59 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:
the ganker is not at fault for the poor choices of the target, who hath stuffed the coffers to the chock with filthy lucre
You are correct, the ganker is not responsible for that. What they are responsible for is pulling the trigger. Or are you telling me that victim blaming suddenly became a valid argument and that you believe such things like women are responsible for sexual assault because they didn't dress appropriately? So sexual assault you have to be penetrated last time I checked all these pixels can not be penetrated so your comparison works. |

Zuzmaw
Universalis Imperium The Bastion
21
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:36:01 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:
the ganker is not at fault for the poor choices of the target, who hath stuffed the coffers to the chock with filthy lucre
You are correct, the ganker is not responsible for that. What they are responsible for is pulling the trigger. Or are you telling me that victim blaming suddenly became a valid argument and that you believe such things like women are responsible for sexual assault because they didn't dress appropriately?
Oh, so we're saying sexual assault vs. losing a fictional ship in a fictional world on a voluntary basis, is an argument?
"Show us on the freighter where the ganker touched you." |

FOl2TY8
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
97
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:37:34 -
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Ganking a freighter is more like abortion because it's murder.
*literal murder |

Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1467
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:38:03 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Or are you telling me that victim blaming suddenly became a valid argument and that you believe such things like women are responsible for sexual assault because they didn't dress appropriately?
Yeah, lets make light of something that has permanent psychological effects upon a person (not to mention also the physical toll, social stigma, etc etc) by comparing a real-life tragedy to an act of pvp in a video game.
In a video game.
A video game.
Video.
Game.
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
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Dreiden Kisada
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:38:16 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:
the ganker is not at fault for the poor choices of the target, who hath stuffed the coffers to the chock with filthy lucre
You are correct, the ganker is not responsible for that. What they are responsible for is pulling the trigger. Or are you telling me that victim blaming suddenly became a valid argument and that you believe such things like women are responsible for sexual assault because they didn't dress appropriately?
Hiding behind **** victims because you're afraid of getting ganked in a video game.
That's a whole new low. |

atrum dux
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:39:44 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:
the ganker is not at fault for the poor choices of the target, who hath stuffed the coffers to the chock with filthy lucre
You are correct, the ganker is not responsible for that. What they are responsible for is pulling the trigger. Or are you telling me that victim blaming suddenly became a valid argument and that you believe such things like women are responsible for sexual assault because they didn't dress appropriately?
The only thing better than space communism is space feminism. I know no one will hear me screaming in space while I'm stare raped, but hey... I for one welcome our new matriarchs. |

Mirkali Maricadie
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:40:58 -
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Ganking being compared to sexual assault?
You read it here first folks... this is the beginning of...
GANKERGATE |

Kiryen O'Bannon
Veritas Theory Fidelas Constans
168
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:41:11 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:
the ganker is not at fault for the poor choices of the target, who hath stuffed the coffers to the chock with filthy lucre
You are correct, the ganker is not responsible for that. What they are responsible for is pulling the trigger. Or are you telling me that victim blaming suddenly became a valid argument and that you believe such things like women are responsible for sexual assault because they didn't dress appropriately?
So, if someone leaves their laptop on their car seat and it gets stolen from their car, it's "victim blaming" to tell them not to leave valuables on their car seat in plain view? Or to lock their car door?
No, it isn't. It isn't victim blaming to tell someone that; it does not in any way excuse the thief. Telling someone how to avoid having their freighter ganked does not in any way change the fact that the gankers are high-sec criminals (the role they have chosen in the sandbox; not as in "breaking the game rules"). And telling a **** victim they shouldn't go home drunk with a guy they just met is not blaming them if they do so and get raped - being a naive idiot does not make it ok to **** you.
Pretty much no one actually thinks short skirts invite ****. Anyone that thinks other people seriously think this has no business forming opinions unsupervised. |

Powers Sa
1379
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:42:54 -
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Valterra Craven wrote: Or are you telling me that victim blaming suddenly became a valid argument and that you believe such things like women are responsible for sexual assault because they didn't dress appropriately?
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FOl2TY8
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
97
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:45:06 -
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Actually it's about ethics in video game journalism |

Tilde Keys
RedHat Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:48:08 -
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Valterra Craven - I just got done reading this entire thread starting with your comment. I to saw it as a comparison to someone who s sexually assaulted. Granted that's not how you meant it to be perceived, nor do you think it could be perceived that way. How ever it was.
*shrugs* Sorry mate... |

Dagoth Fett
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:48:37 -
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Forums poster Valterra Craven is actually defending their stance that video game PvP is in any way, shape, or form comparable to sexual assault on another living, breathing person.
This is it. This is the new low. This is the new low of a forum that had a real-life neonazi openly posting white supremacist screeds. Good job, Valterra Craven. This is what you will be remembered for. |
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