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Valterra Craven
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:57:52 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Valterra Craven wrote:But to be fair you are complaining about wanting to have your cake and eat it to. this is basically the summation of the incursion community's feedback in this thread
Which is completely irrelevant to the point I'm making since A. I'm not part of the community. and B. none of my arguments are related to their community. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:58:41 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:
the ganker is not at fault for the poor choices of the target, who hath stuffed the coffers to the chock with filthy lucre
You are correct, the ganker is not responsible for that. What they are responsible for is pulling the trigger. Or are you telling me that victim blaming suddenly became a valid argument and that you believe such things like women are responsible for sexual assault because they didn't dress appropriately?
jesus christ you are comparing eve ganks to sexual assault
i thought i was a sociopath but holy shit |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:00:06 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Valterra Craven wrote:But to be fair you are complaining about wanting to have your cake and eat it to. this is basically the summation of the incursion community's feedback in this thread Which is completely irrelevant to the point I'm making since A. I'm not part of the community. and B. none of my arguments are related to their community.
never said you were
it is merely a little summation on the thread as a whole |
Valterra Craven
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:00:27 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:
actually ccp rushed through jump fatigue on short notice and gave the csm 0-12 hours (depending on the TZ of the particular csmhaver) to actually think about it before they drove the ol' clown car onto eveo for initial feedback
if you were even remotely engaged in this community you'd know that but i guess that is asking too much
Which only happened because of that document that a vast majority of the null sec alliances leaders signed and sent to CCP. Put another way, why would CCP react so quickly all of a sudden to a problem that's been in existence since cap ships were brought in game... oh right.
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:02:10 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:
Which only happened because of that document that a vast majority of the null sec alliances leaders signed and sent to CCP. Put another way, why would CCP react so quickly all of a sudden to a problem that's been in existence since cap ships were brought in game... oh right.
this is not the case
you'd know that if you were even remotely engaged with the community |
Valterra Craven
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:02:14 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:
jesus christ you are comparing eve ganks to sexual assault
i thought i was a sociopath but holy shit
Nope. I was pointing out how poorly constructed your argument that its the victims fault that they got killed. I'm sorry that simple concepts are so hard for you to follow. |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:03:12 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:
actually ccp rushed through jump fatigue on short notice and gave the csm 0-12 hours (depending on the TZ of the particular csmhaver) to actually think about it before they drove the ol' clown car onto eveo for initial feedback
if you were even remotely engaged in this community you'd know that but i guess that is asking too much
Which only happened because of that document that a vast majority of the null sec alliances leaders signed and sent to CCP. Put another way, why would CCP react so quickly all of a sudden to a problem that's been in existence since cap ships were brought in game... oh right.
CCP actually posted about the upcoming changes shortly after that signed article was actually published. If you think that CCP actually moved more quickly because of that signed article and it in any way affected their decision making, then you're in for a pretty awful surprise. |
Valterra Craven
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:03:41 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Valterra Craven wrote:
Which only happened because of that document that a vast majority of the null sec alliances leaders signed and sent to CCP. Put another way, why would CCP react so quickly all of a sudden to a problem that's been in existence since cap ships were brought in game... oh right.
this is not the case you'd know that if you were even remotely engaged with the community
Care to put your statement on the line and actually back it up with a researched timeline of events or are you going to continue being lazy? |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:05:21 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:
jesus christ you are comparing eve ganks to sexual assault
i thought i was a sociopath but holy shit
Nope. I was pointing out how poorly constructed your argument that its the victims fault that they got killed. I'm sorry that simple concepts are so hard for you to follow.
no you literally compared being ganked in a video game to sexual assault
this is a thing you did |
Valterra Craven
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:06:02 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote: If you think that CCP actually moved more quickly because of that signed article and it in any way affected their decision making, then you're in for a pretty awful surprise.
I'll give you that its a possibility that it didn't. But given how things played out it is not an implausible conclusion to come to given the circumstances. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:07:04 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Valterra Craven wrote:
Which only happened because of that document that a vast majority of the null sec alliances leaders signed and sent to CCP. Put another way, why would CCP react so quickly all of a sudden to a problem that's been in existence since cap ships were brought in game... oh right.
this is not the case you'd know that if you were even remotely engaged with the community Care to put your statement on the line and actually back it up with a researched timeline of events or are you going to continue being lazy?
a scant week or less elapsed between the statement, one that ccp probably didn't even read, and the fatigue change being published to eve-o
they've also been talking about force projection nerfs for months prior to the paper in question |
Valterra Craven
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:07:30 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:
no you literally compared being ganked in a video game to sexual assault
this is a thing you did
No what I literally did was compare your argument of victim blaming to a real life situation that happens on a regular basis to show you how stupid it was. Its not my fault that you have poor reading comprehension. |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:08:16 -
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http://themittani.com/news/null-deal-statement-sovereign-00
Here is the article that was posted. Which part of that pertains to anything related to jump fatigue? |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:09:19 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:
no you literally compared being ganked in a video game to sexual assault
this is a thing you did
No what I literally did was compare your argument of victim blaming to a real life situation that happens on a regular basis to show you how stupid it was. Its not my fault that you have poor reading comprehension.
you used sexual assault
in comparison to an action
in a video game
no amount of justification you can bleed from your word hole is going to change that |
Valterra Craven
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:10:51 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:
Care to put your statement on the line and actually back it up with a researched timeline of events or are you going to continue being lazy?
a scant week or less elapsed between the statement, one that ccp probably didn't even read, and the fatigue change being published to eve-o
they've also been talking about force projection nerfs for months prior to the paper in question[/quote]
Well you are right about one thing, they have been talking about changes to force projection for some time (I still remember Fozie trying to double the cost of isotopes and how everyone on the forums pointed out that was a bad idea).
That being said, what they hand't shown in those prior months was a real willingness to make big changes to their game that would make a lot of the customers unhappy and do so in a very short time frame.
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Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:13:11 -
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Valterra Craven wrote: (I still remember Fozie trying to double the cost of isotopes and how everyone on the forums pointed out that was a bad idea).
Do you have a link to this? I want to see this and how did I miss this thread :(
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Valterra Craven
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:13:43 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:
you used sexual assault
in comparison to an action
in a video game
no amount of justification you can bleed from your word hole is going to change that
Except.
That's not what I actually did.
For your statement to be true. I would have had to have said ganking is just like a sexual assault. When what I actually said was blaming the victim for their fit or cargo and saying its their fault is similar to others blaming the victim of a sexual assault for the way they dress.
No amount of repeating your nonsense will it make it anymore true. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:15:04 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:[quote=Promiscuous Female]
When what I actually said was blaming the victim for their fit or cargo and saying its their fault is similar to others blaming the victim of a sexual assault for the way they dress.
keep on backpedaling |
Valterra Craven
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:20:18 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:Valterra Craven wrote: (I still remember Fozie trying to double the cost of isotopes and how everyone on the forums pointed out that was a bad idea). Do you have a link to this? I want to see this and how did I miss this thread :(
I had to dig DEEP to find this thread. But I finally found it. Just FYI I stay on top of all dev posts by checking the dev posts daily to see what they say.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=340420
Though I meant to type double the usage of isotopes when used to jump ships. |
Valterra Craven
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:21:10 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Valterra Craven wrote:[quote=Promiscuous Female]
When what I actually said was blaming the victim for their fit or cargo and saying its their fault is similar to others blaming the victim of a sexual assault for the way they dress.
keep on backpedaling
Keep on using words without knowing their meaning. |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
338
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:21:27 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:
the ganker is not at fault for the poor choices of the target, who hath stuffed the coffers to the chock with filthy lucre
You are correct, the ganker is not responsible for that. What they are responsible for is pulling the trigger. Or are you telling me that victim blaming suddenly became a valid argument and that you believe such things like women are responsible for sexual assault because they didn't dress appropriately?
holy lawl being ganked is just like being sexually assaulted, a thing eve online poster valterra craven actually just argued
was not expecting that |
Valterra Craven
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:23:13 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Valterra Craven wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:
the ganker is not at fault for the poor choices of the target, who hath stuffed the coffers to the chock with filthy lucre
You are correct, the ganker is not responsible for that. What they are responsible for is pulling the trigger. Or are you telling me that victim blaming suddenly became a valid argument and that you believe such things like women are responsible for sexual assault because they didn't dress appropriately? holy lawl being ganked is just like being sexually assaulted, a thing eve online poster valterra craven actually just argued was not expecting that
Shame thats not what I actually did... |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:24:18 -
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morally reprehensible monster
a goon is calling you a morally reprehensible monster |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:25:55 -
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Yeah, not gonna lie GÇö-áthat is a sad display.
There's gotta be a better way to win an internet argument than to try to drag sexual assault into it. That sort of thing should not even be in your playbook.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
338
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:26:17 -
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someone who loses their ship in eve online, a pvp internet spaceship game based around the losing of spaceships, is a victim, just like a sexual assault victim
so many victims |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
338
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:28:20 -
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when i deployed by x's incorrectly and lost the game of tic-tac-toe i became a victim, and my opponent is to blame for victimizing me
trying to argue i deserved to lose because of my poor strategy in losing a game is exactly like blaming sexual assault victims for their assault how dare you sir |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:28:27 -
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ladies and gentlemen, the tumblr generation |
Valterra Craven
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:32:37 -
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Querns wrote:
There's gotta be a better way to win an internet argument than to try to drag sexual assault into it. That sort of thing should not even be in your playbook.
If there is a better to win that particular point, then please by all means share. I'd love to hear it.
I won't hold my breath waiting for it though.
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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
338
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:35:06 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Querns wrote:
There's gotta be a better way to win an internet argument than to try to drag sexual assault into it. That sort of thing should not even be in your playbook.
If there is a better to win that particular point, then please by all means share. I'd love to hear it. I won't hold my breath waiting for it though.
perhaps if the only way you see to win an argument is to insinuate your opponents are rapists, you should consider it a sign your argument is a bad one and you should admit you were wrong
or you could equate losing a ship in a video game to being sexually assaulted, that's good too, no downsides there |
Valterra Craven
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:38:12 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:
perhaps if the only way you see to win an argument is to insinuate your opponents are rapists, you should consider it a sign your argument is a bad one and you should admit you were wrong
Well if i had actually insinuated that my opponent was a rapist then I would consider my argument a bad one. But considering that's not even remotely close to what I did, means I don't. |
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