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MajorScrewup
Thundercats The Initiative.
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:43:37 -
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Bethan Le Troix wrote:There seems to be a lot of people on this comments section and on the Mittani blogsite saying there is no reason/s to hold null-sec sovereignty. Apparently at the moment there are reasons to hold null-sec sovereignty as the likes of GSF etc still exist.
'Better' ores. 'Better' ice. Titans and 'big fights'. Good ratting opportunities and officer module drops. Level five missions. 'Better' Incursions. Moon mining - loads of revenue. Opportunities to set up renting. Working in 'blue' doughnut areas that are theoretically the safest places in New Eden.
All this stuff and much more that I can't think of is in null-sec and will still be in null-sec after any changes have been made. So what the **** is all this whinging about ? Seems to be some complaining about people possibly being able to disrupt or 'grief' null-sec sovereignty with no clear intention to hold onto the sovereignty they are attacking. **** happens my friends. It was all fine and dandy when null-sec communities took over high sec POCOs and tried to charge silly taxes. You have to take the rough with the smooth.
Titans and big fights aren't restricted to null sec Incursions are better in lo-sec as you have the chance of revenant bpc level 5 missions in null sec - not sure as i don't mission run, but seems wrong There are moons in lo-sec too that are good |

Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
311
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:44:14 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:Eli Apol wrote:Karash Amerius wrote:I am thinking the Troll Laser needs to be restricted to a heavier ship such as a battle cruiser or above.
Love the tears here...great work CCP. Definitely not. If you can't respond to a frigate fleet, you don't live locally enough. Restricting it to larger hulls completely undermines the concept of using your space. why should you get to contest sov without even putting a t1 battlecruiser at risk? the issue isn't being unable to respond to an interceptor fleet, it's that an interceptor fleet has no risk whatsoever to its pilots if you're too much of a coward to even risk a single t1 battlecruiser you have no business in the big leagues The entosis thing should be restrcited from nullified ships. Meaning you can put one on a t3 unless you use the nullifier sub. People can still put them on the rest of frig hulls but not ceptors. Or putting it on costs you nullification?
Death and Glory!
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M1k3y Koontz
Aether Ventures Surely You're Joking
684
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:44:52 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Eli Apol wrote:Karash Amerius wrote:I am thinking the Troll Laser needs to be restricted to a heavier ship such as a battle cruiser or above.
Love the tears here...great work CCP. Definitely not. If you can't respond to a frigate fleet, you don't live locally enough. Restricting it to larger hulls completely undermines the concept of using your space. why should you get to contest sov without even putting a t1 battlecruiser at risk? the issue isn't being unable to respond to an interceptor fleet, it's that an interceptor fleet has no risk whatsoever to its pilots if you're too much of a coward to even risk a single t1 battlecruiser you have no business in the big leagues
And the interceptors pose no threat as long as you aren't an absentee landlord.
How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
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Karash Amerius
Sutoka
208
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:45:01 -
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Eli Apol wrote:Karash Amerius wrote:I am thinking the Troll Laser needs to be restricted to a heavier ship such as a battle cruiser or above.
Love the tears here...great work CCP. Definitely not. If you can't respond to a frigate fleet, you don't live locally enough. Restricting it to larger hulls completely undermines the concept of using your space.
Agree with your first statement, confused on the second. Why?
Karash Amerius
Operative, Sutoka
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
668
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:45:37 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Eli Apol wrote:Karash Amerius wrote:I am thinking the Troll Laser needs to be restricted to a heavier ship such as a battle cruiser or above.
Love the tears here...great work CCP. Definitely not. If you can't respond to a frigate fleet, you don't live locally enough. Restricting it to larger hulls completely undermines the concept of using your space. why should you get to contest sov without even putting a t1 battlecruiser at risk? the issue isn't being unable to respond to an interceptor fleet, it's that an interceptor fleet has no risk whatsoever to its pilots if you're too much of a coward to even risk a single t1 battlecruiser you have no business in the big leagues
A person from FA started with the suggestion of requiring a Marauder or carrier to do this, frankly that is stupid, the entire concept is guerilla war, in other words you don't really want that space but I do, I keep nibbling at it until you get bored and ignore me apart from coming in and smashing me to bits every month or so so I have to rebuild, which also answers your other comment.
You liked Waltreipers didn't you, you liked farming IRC didn't you, then what's your issue?
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Martin Vanzyl
EVE University Ivy League
6
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:46:27 -
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Entosis Link ranges are stupidly large.
Scale the Entosis Link range. The smaller ship you fit it to, the less range it has. Frig = 5 - 15km Cruiser = 15 - 30km BC = 30 - 40km BS = 50 - 60 Cap = 60 < ....
Etc. Not only will this make a 'logical sense', small comm array on smaller ship means it needs to be closer to link with the appropriate strength to the station's systems etc, it also forces the attackers in closer, where they can be engaged by defenders. Another solution could be to limit the Entosis to BS, cap and super hulls. |

Eli Apol
Pro Synergy
169
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:47:12 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:why should you get to contest sov without even putting a t1 battlecruiser at risk? the issue isn't being unable to respond to an interceptor fleet, it's that an interceptor fleet has no risk whatsoever to its pilots
if you're too much of a coward to even risk a single t1 battlecruiser you have no business in the big leagues If you can't even get an atron to sit at 0 to defend your sov you have no business holding that sov.
Once you get your own frigs there then there's gonna be every chance of a proper fight escalating - or the intys just move on to find some undefended space. |

EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
548
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:47:23 -
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M1k3y Koontz wrote:And the interceptors pose no threat as long as you aren't an absentee landlord. the interceptors force you to go to the effort of reacting to that interceptor, at which point it buzzes away and starts hitting a system ten jumps away (because it is a sub 2s warping nullified ship) causing a great deal of effort to be expended on the part of the defenders at no cost or risk to the pilot
if it's actually an absentee landlord your t1 battlecruiser is at no risk: but you're terrified of using any ship that could actually get caught and killed if you miscalculate.
if you aren't willing to risk a single ship when you're generating timers you should be in highsec cowering under CONCORD protection |

Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
988
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:47:47 -
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Benilopax wrote:Are CCP and the CSM gonna wait until page 100 to acknowledge anything written here?
LOL if you think the CSM has any weight in these decisions. |

EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
548
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:48:50 -
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Eli Apol wrote:Once you get your own frigs there then there's gonna be every chance of a proper fight escalating - or the intys just move on to find some undefended space.
there is no chance of a fight with one side in interceptors escalating because interceptors don't take fights
they are cowardships which is why the only people legitimately supporting interceptors being able to create timers are people who want to be in the big leagues but are terrified of ever losing anything so they need their cowardship so they can flee in terror as soon as something lands on grid |

Eli Apol
Pro Synergy
169
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:49:37 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:M1k3y Koontz wrote:And the interceptors pose no threat as long as you aren't an absentee landlord. the interceptors force you to go to the effort of reacting to that interceptor, at which point it buzzes away and starts hitting a system ten jumps away (because it is a sub 2s warping nullified ship) causing a great deal of effort to be expended on the part of the defenders at no cost or risk to the pilot You imply that you have to cover a 10 system wide area with just one defensive fleet?
That doesn't sound like very active use of your space.
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Sael Va'Tauri
Morgan Industry
13
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:50:52 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Eli Apol wrote:Karash Amerius wrote:I am thinking the Troll Laser needs to be restricted to a heavier ship such as a battle cruiser or above.
Love the tears here...great work CCP. Definitely not. If you can't respond to a frigate fleet, you don't live locally enough. Restricting it to larger hulls completely undermines the concept of using your space. why should you get to contest sov without even putting a t1 battlecruiser at risk? the issue isn't being unable to respond to an interceptor fleet, it's that an interceptor fleet has no risk whatsoever to its pilots if you're too much of a coward to even risk a single t1 battlecruiser you have no business in the big leagues
between 250 to 500 Grid would actually be a pretty good place for the Link. You could drop that on T1 cruisers and T1 BCs if you forgo either some weapons or tank on them, and you wouldn't be able to cram them on anything smaller. A BS would be able to fit them without too much worry about compromise as long as you can spare the high slot.
If someone isn't defending their space, you could roll in with a couple of Mallers and cap out a system pretty quickly, with low risk. However, if someone is defending their space, you're not going to be able to run away terribly fast while also maintaining a low risk setup. |

Soldarius
Kosher Nostra The 99 Percent
1167
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:51:12 -
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Doctor Fabulous MD wrote:Jack Hayson wrote:Doctor Fabulous MD wrote:The thing is, even if you land DIRECTLY ontop of the svipul through some kind of insane miracle, its burning at 11KM/s, which means its out of your scram range in a single tick, it takes an absolute minimum of 2 ticks (seconds) to lock something and activate a mod. The best thing i can imagine is just hitting it with a 60KM web after a lucky warpin, but even then it can STILL burn out of range of any recon ship capable of fitting the multiple webs its going to take to kill it. That thing has an align time of 28 seconds - you don't need to tackle it. (would be pointed by the ento thingy anyway) Just probe and warp on top of it with a long range ship. You'll then have a low EHP target with a 750m sig radius burning in a more or less straight line away from you. how exactly are you going to warp to a ship going that fast, it takes 10 seconds minimum to probe,warpin, lock target, and activate mod, by that time its already 100km away, no longer in a straight line, so still impossible to track. and the 28 second align time is with mwd on, just shut it off to warp out. (and its 300 sig radius)
correct on the sigRAd. 300m. However, any ship moving directly away from the firing ship will have exactly 0 trasnversal. With a 300m sigRad, the Svipul will evaporate.
Or you can just put an Ibis on the TCU/IHUB/whichever and spam local **** when you turn on your own link, thus stopping all capture progress. Or you could bring something bigger, like, say... a Marauder?
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Kah'Les
hirr Northern Coalition.
6
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:52:55 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Eli Apol wrote:Kah'Les wrote:Some systems are only worth their moons meaning there are no players in them doing active things, hence most systems in null are empty.
Exactly, those ones are gonna get flipped every 2 days by bored roaming inty gangs, the actively used space can be defended. Working as intended? hes doe s not get the cocnept that this is the exaclty effect that CCP wants. That huge power blocs forego the unused space.
Yes, I see you guys want this. But what I see is a lot of small corps being forced to pay "protection" ISK for their systems or their SOV lvl get rested and iHUB destoyed. I see cloaky campers having a even bigger affect on SOV mechanics lowering value of systems so they are easyier to conqer. And good luck you weekened warriors who take SOV and then lose it in 48 house to a big power bloc. I believe this sov change is weaker than the one already in place, this is not the change everyon is waiting for.
This Fozzie SOV (FW v2.0) is just at the moment filled with glitchy mechanics. |

Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
693
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:53:04 -
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Hidden buff to Minmatar, "the utility highslot race" and drone boats, I lyke it.
RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
30753
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:53:30 -
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Entosis for 10 minutes should undock everyone in station.
Don't post on the forums, devs don't read it. Send GMs your questions with support tickets. Don't be silent.
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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
548
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:54:11 -
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Sael Va'Tauri wrote: between 250 to 500 Grid would actually be a pretty good place for the Link. You could drop that on T1 cruisers and T1 BCs if you forgo either some weapons or tank on them, and you wouldn't be able to cram them on anything smaller. A BS would be able to fit them without too much worry about compromise as long as you can spare the high slot.
If someone isn't defending their space, you could roll in with a couple of Mallers and cap out a system pretty quickly, with low risk. However, if someone is defending their space, you're not going to be able to run away terribly fast while also maintaining a low risk setup.
yeah, this is reasonable: an undefended area can get whacked by cheap, disposable ships but if you try that on inhabited space you'll get whacked and lose your ship
i think the link itself should be more expensive as it's still too cheap, but if you want to try to put sov at risk your ship should at least be at risk as well, and an interceptor is never, ever at risk unless you've had one too many drinks |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4302
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:54:30 -
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the blog says the new mod'll have low fitting reqs but it seems like a bit of an assumption it'll be fittable on ceptors? surely the t2 250km version'd be a battleship mod? |

Dirk Morbho
Mindstar Technology Get Off My Lawn
40
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:55:04 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Entosis for 10 minutes should undock everyone in station.
That's about the only way .EXE would undock on a regular basis.
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Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1692
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:55:38 -
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Princess Cherista wrote:Aryth wrote:Summary: This is so weighted to attacking and not the defenders I do not believe it will promote the real growth and sandcastle building you want. Instead it means anyone organized, big, and with manpower is going to grief the living crap outta smaller players. Reavers were already pretty laffo, but this is going to stick it into overdrive. Not the fight promoting overdrive either but the AFK cloaking until you have an opportunity to grief kind. You are making the same mistake you made with non-fight promoting siphons I dont think the horror has set in yet as to what this system means for small "elite" groups and ping-based alliances that relied on one BIG TIMER to bring supers or slowcats to. 
This comes up in every possible thread about Null. I will repeat the mantra once more. Any system that allows a small player to "grief" a large bloc will instead be used predominately to grief the smaller players BY the blocs. You can mitigate this but to suggest that blocs are quaking in their boots right now would be hilariously misguided. If you take the time to research you are going to see Dek is the one region in the entire game that is essentially going to ignore this system as every system is populated almost round the clock, and not 1 guy either but many.
Provi might also be an exception. The worst case scenario is some alliances decide to go back to ice-berging and just griefing everyone else. That is the most likely scenario unfortunately. You cannot make it this easy for 100-200 dudes from a bloc to torch entire regions. No one cares about a little guy trying to stick it to the man. They don't. What is going to drive people to ice-berg/quit is blocs sending reavers into their homespace and burning it all to the ground. If this promoted fights it might be one thing, it won't. Faction warfare has proven this point out over and over.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
668
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:55:57 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:M1k3y Koontz wrote:And the interceptors pose no threat as long as you aren't an absentee landlord. the interceptors force you to go to the effort of reacting to that interceptor, at which point it buzzes away and starts hitting a system ten jumps away (because it is a sub 2s warping nullified ship) causing a great deal of effort to be expended on the part of the defenders at no cost or risk to the pilot if it's actually an absentee landlord your t1 battlecruiser is at no risk: but you're terrified of using any ship that could actually get caught and killed if you miscalculate. if you aren't willing to risk a single ship when you're generating timers you should be in highsec cowering under CONCORD protection
You don't get it that while there is a griefing element to it, its Eve after all, and why am I not surprised you just focus on that, there is a real need to have the ability to wear people down when you want to take a system, so making it more expensive or using easier to catch ships is just another way to defend your current position. No!
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Suede
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:58:13 -
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Entosis should be a ship
Entosis should only be brought with a plex
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3191
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:59:15 -
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Delt0r Garsk wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:Eli Apol wrote:Karash Amerius wrote:I am thinking the Troll Laser needs to be restricted to a heavier ship such as a battle cruiser or above.
Love the tears here...great work CCP. Definitely not. If you can't respond to a frigate fleet, you don't live locally enough. Restricting it to larger hulls completely undermines the concept of using your space. why should you get to contest sov without even putting a t1 battlecruiser at risk? the issue isn't being unable to respond to an interceptor fleet, it's that an interceptor fleet has no risk whatsoever to its pilots if you're too much of a coward to even risk a single t1 battlecruiser you have no business in the big leagues The entosis thing should be restrcited from nullified ships. Meaning you can put one on a t3 unless you use the nullifier sub. People can still put them on the rest of frig hulls but not ceptors. Or putting it on costs you nullification? Its already true that ACTIVATING it costs you nulification. Once on, you cannot warp at all, until you turn it off and the cycle ends.
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Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
574
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:00:03 -
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My. Don't the egos come out in force when the intellectual content is absent? This discussion will be plagued by people whose mentality tries to overlay an old way of approaching EVE upon this more fully developed and comprehensive set of mechanics. That's not surprising, as the present condition lends itself well to goonery and thugs, pushing the more sophisticated and strategic play methods to the sideline. With the new method, the old hammer and tongs, pound things into oblivion and bully the rest method just won't do, and those people are squealing like the proverbial stuck pig.
Not surprisingly, what's behind this noise is the sure knowledge they do possess that their style of play just hit the cutting room floor and of course, being left to think of alternatives their little gray cells have met their match. I'm tempted to say the game of checkers just turned to chess...but saying checkers was what was being played gives that too much credit. Maybe the hippo stomp has been replaced with the ballet. Of course, the head thumping thug would want to "throw up". We expect that from them. They've been that way since kindergarten.
That being said, I'm very impressed with the inventiveness and elegance of this solution to SOV. The simplicity of the solution is what recommends it most highly. It's going to be interesting to learn who develops the expertise the quickest, and it's also going to be fun watching the so-called big dogs of today turning to the whining pups of tomorrow. What do they say? EVE is to feed on tears? Well, we can feed on theirs as well.
The purpose of EVE is to play EVE. We have the name "carebear" for one style of play. The other style is called "ganking" in the wider gaming world. Here, they like to call themselves the "true EVE players." We shall certainly see about that, won't we?
So. Cry on! We love it.
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Lena Lazair
Khanid Irregulars Khanid's Legion
335
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:00:20 -
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Lister Vindaloo wrote:Exactly, let the TZ of the players decide when they can and cannot contest a timer, not an artificial mechanic that decides when a timer can even exist, let the laws of reality gate the tz's, not a CCP enforced mechanic. From what you have said there is still no purpose to declaring a prime time....
The new mechanic does not allow for this. It's not sufficient to come back and defend a timer; you want and need to be able to counter the initial offensive E-link with a defensive E-link as it happens to prevent a timer in the first place. Otherwise every station and structure in all of null will be in a state of constant reinforcement due to roaming troll gangs.
This is intentional. It's intentional to the design goals that people living in and active during their prime time should be able to trivially defend against troll fleets, while at the same time, with the same mechanic, far flung AFK sov holders can NOT likewise trivially defend against those troll fleets. The entire point is that flipping sov needs to be lol-worthy easy if NO ONE IS HOME.
Given that, it's unrealistic to expect an alliance to field defensive E-links 24/7. "Being home" CANNOT mean having a defensive E-link pilot on 24/7, unless we want to establish a baseline that the only alliances allowed to hold sov are ones large enough to cover all TZ's consistently on a daily basis. That's a pretty high barrier of entry to set. Hence the 4-hour primetime window.
You basically cannot keep the E-link concept intact and NOT have the primetime window. |

Sael Va'Tauri
Morgan Industry
13
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:01:00 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Sael Va'Tauri wrote: between 250 to 500 Grid would actually be a pretty good place for the Link. You could drop that on T1 cruisers and T1 BCs if you forgo either some weapons or tank on them, and you wouldn't be able to cram them on anything smaller. A BS would be able to fit them without too much worry about compromise as long as you can spare the high slot.
If someone isn't defending their space, you could roll in with a couple of Mallers and cap out a system pretty quickly, with low risk. However, if someone is defending their space, you're not going to be able to run away terribly fast while also maintaining a low risk setup.
yeah, this is reasonable: an undefended area can get whacked by cheap, disposable ships but if you try that on inhabited space you'll get whacked and lose your ship i think the link itself should be more expensive as it's still too cheap, but if you want to try to put sov at risk your ship should at least be at risk as well, and an interceptor is never, ever at risk unless you've had one too many drinks
CCP could also have the link reduce the maximum speed of the ship that is using the link, and potentially warp disrupt it. A 40% (T1) -70% (T2) penalty to speed with warp disruption would be enough to put you at risk for using the link, even in smaller ships. Again, if the space is undefended, who cares if you're pointed and webbed. If you're trying to grief someone, they are going to be able to engage you. BCs and BBs won't care too much about the speed penalty, but the small ships sure would. |

KC Kamikaze
Blue-Fire
74
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:02:40 -
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The "Protection" of tomorrow you speak of is todays rental agreement.
The new system will be great. Small groups can claim and hold sov. We have multiboxing alt corps holding down wormholes .. now some of those and more can move to holding their own piece of null. The only people who don't win are big coalitions .. and you have more than the means and resources to survive.
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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
549
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:04:46 -
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KC Kamikaze wrote:The "Protection" of tomorrow you speak of is todays rental agreement.
The new system will be great. Small groups can claim and hold sov. We have multiboxing alt corps holding down wormholes .. now some of those and more can move to holding their own piece of null. The only people who don't win are big coalitions .. and you have more than the means and resources to survive.
what makes you think i won't squash you for funsies
we spent three months squashing anyone who dared mine gallente ice in highsec, what makes you think that every shitlord who raises a flag isn't going to look like a nail to swing my massive hammer at |

Soldarius
Kosher Nostra The 99 Percent
1167
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:04:50 -
[1559] - Quote
So, I have another idea.
You know how CBCs can fit links but never do? Perhaps only CBCs should be able to fit an Entosis Link. Would give them a purpose in life since they have had no purpose since 2013. They can also fit MMJDs. So bombers? What bombers? I just jumped away. Jumping does not break locks unless you jump out of locking range. vOv
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Suede
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:05:20 -
[1560] - Quote
CCP Phantom wrote:While the current sovereignty system worked fine for many years, we see the need for a fundamental overhaul. We are excited to present the plans for a new sov system coming early this summer including: 1) No more grinding through hitpoints 2) Meaningful combat events distributed over the whole constellation 3) Space activity results in defensive bonus 4) Designated daily "Prime time" for alliances when their structures become vulnerable Read all about this new sov system, the mechanics and the fine details in CCP Fozzie's latest blog Politics by Other Means: Sovereignty Phase Two!
Entosis should be a ship
CCP only trying to do what is best for the game as eve online is CCP game to do what they see fit.
and we are only a paying customs paying for a service
CCP need a Pay Rise doing a fine job and they are working hard.
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