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Eli Apol
Pro Synergy
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:06:56 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:KC Kamikaze wrote:The "Protection" of tomorrow you speak of is todays rental agreement.
The new system will be great. Small groups can claim and hold sov. We have multiboxing alt corps holding down wormholes .. now some of those and more can move to holding their own piece of null. The only people who don't win are big coalitions .. and you have more than the means and resources to survive.
what makes you think i won't squash you for funsies we spent three months squashing anyone who dared mine gallente ice in highsec, what makes you think that every shitlord who raises a flag isn't going to look like a nail to swing my massive hammer at And then 2 days later they just retake it back because you can't effectively defend the whole of nullsec.
Meanwhile all your empty systems are flipped by troll fleets every day because you're too thinly spread. |

afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
803
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:07:13 -
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Seriously, this whole interceptor DRAMAQUEEN crap has to stop.
1) Fittings are unknown. 2) If you actually live locally and are active in YOUR 4 hour primetime that YOU DECIDE you'll pop these 100m pinyatas for jollies.
The "trollceptor" indeed, because a simple cerberus wont eat them for funsies in less time than it takes to reload the weapon.
Or you know, the mighty, all impossible to acquire ..... maulus....yup....good thing they're not dirtass cheap. Really dodged a bullet there. |

cpu939
Eternal Darkness. Get Off My Lawn
86
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:07:22 -
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you know i think for a dev blog thread this has the least replies from the devs 4 inc the op and that was in the 1st 5 pages might be good if ccp reply to some of the questions here, you know that thing called good discussion you know you posted it in your blog
we here at CCP believe that Sov is a big deal that deserves to be discussed thoroughly.
questions that has come up a lot (some are paraphrased)
Sov still sucks what are you going to do to make it more rewarding to hold? How do you see this helping the little guy take sov? Why should people hold sov under these new rules? Are command nodes linked to the prime time i.e. 4 hours then its done? Why a freeport mode? Why 250km on the t2 module? What are you plans for supers and titan now? How do you see this new mechanics breaking the existing mega-coalitions? Are you going to change SBU BPO to Ensotis link BPO?, if not what are you doing with the sbu blueprints? What are you going to do about the cloaky campers now that defense is tied into pve roles?
I went over a good few pages and these came up a few times i didn't go over every page but i'm hoping ccp Fozzie or another dev will reply but i'm not holding my breath. more and more i see CCP attitude being we tell you and that is it they are going back to their old ways again.
p.s. vote Thoric Frosthammer for csm. |

SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
23
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:07:48 -
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Calorn Marthor wrote:SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Manfred Sideous wrote: Next I would seek to create incentives for people to reside in nullsec. One of the biggest is the ability to be self sustaining via local resources. I would then give the orca , jump freighter , bowhead & rorqual the same fatigue as other ships. I would reduce the JF range of that to all other ships. Doing this would make nullsec so much healthier. A real sense of community when the welfare & supply of the alliance is shared by all. Instead of what we currently have " A few guys and some cynos whisking off to Jita to procure everything players need" When you do this you end up with more players in space doing things to supply the alliance and its members with all the goods and materials they need to function. CCP has already said this is planned. The reason why industrial ships received the 90% bonus to Jump Fatigue is to buy them time until they are able to do a proper resource gathering balance to allow groups to live off null instead of relying on Jita so much. Once that happens the bonus to Jump Fatigue will be removed. One step at a time my friend.  For the record: When these changes were announced I argued that Nullsec ressource distribution is in dire need of rebalancing. However, we did the test. And it turns out I was wrong. Went to remote nullsec with the goal of trying to set up full T2 production. T2 has the most complicated production chains, so that would be a good indicator to whether it is possible to be self sufficient or not. And we said no matter what happens - we will NOT use jump freighters. We are 2 industrialists with no extra indu alts. We operate equivalent 4 Large Towers for reactions and from time to time some extra small ones to get certain ressources. The operational area is roughly 1 constellation (8 systems). R64s and R32s are traded from our friendly moon overlords who are also happy to buy the final products for their fleets. There is a bit of alchemy involved and in the end we only need to import 1-2 sorts of moon goo from empire. 13 PI colonies produce POS fuel components. Running the thing now since 5 months, production capacity is like 6 T2 cruisers per week (or 25 frigs or a mixture) which is enough to supply a small corporation or alliance. Logistics are easier than expected. We are dependant on empire (no local Caldari Isotopes and several other materials available plus we import all the other ice stuff because no one likes mining), but we only need about 5 trips to empire monthly in a DST. Those are easily manageable since we use wormhole connections. One basically needs ONE dedicated scanner/explorer and will get a decent connection every other day. And getting the scanner is not an issue since exploration easily yields 100-200M ISK/hour while searching for the empire connection. Basically the only downside is that you need to reconfigure the reaction towers all the time. And this is configuration HELL. There is so many little things that make this task incredibly complicated (put nicely: "challenging") that you almost instantly go insane. It needs tons of spreadsheets, container and bookmark systems etc and still you make mistakes all the time and cause inefficiencies. And the ISK gain is less than what you get from running optimized reactions with a dedicated tower for each one. I would have liked to present these results to CCP Greyscale, but sadly he's gone meanwhile... :-/TL;DR: JFs are already unnecessary, people just need to be a bit creative ;-) Could you present the results to the community? Maybe there can be some easy (lol) changes to the POS to make it less of a configuration hell? |

Serene Repose
2328
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:07:52 -
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This looks more like a "figure it out as we go" thread than a "discuss the new changes" thread. Not very interesting, but indeed a curiosity.
I see we have the "you know what would make this game perfect?" crowd out in force. Try not to think, you guys.
Stick to something you can do.
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Anhenka
The Cult of Personality DARKNESS.
1172
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:08:28 -
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KC Kamikaze wrote:The "Protection" of tomorrow you speak of is todays rental agreement.
The new system will be great. Small groups can claim and hold sov. We have multiboxing alt corps holding down wormholes .. now some of those and more can move to holding their own piece of null. The only people who don't win are big coalitions .. and you have more than the means and resources to survive.
Meh. Large scale stability and stable logistic chains, along with the ability to swamp small enemies with the people they don't need for immediate self defense means that big coalitions are going to come out of this even better than the little guys.
When the bar is lowered to near 0 for taking system, the more force you can apply, the more space you can steamroll in a smaller amount of time. |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10046
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:09:24 -
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Delt0r Garsk wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:Eli Apol wrote:Karash Amerius wrote:I am thinking the Troll Laser needs to be restricted to a heavier ship such as a battle cruiser or above.
Love the tears here...great work CCP. Definitely not. If you can't respond to a frigate fleet, you don't live locally enough. Restricting it to larger hulls completely undermines the concept of using your space. why should you get to contest sov without even putting a t1 battlecruiser at risk? the issue isn't being unable to respond to an interceptor fleet, it's that an interceptor fleet has no risk whatsoever to its pilots if you're too much of a coward to even risk a single t1 battlecruiser you have no business in the big leagues The entosis thing should be restrcited from nullified ships. Meaning you can put one on a t3 unless you use the nullifier sub. People can still put them on the rest of frig hulls but not ceptors. Or putting it on costs you nullification?
Could live with that yea.
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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
549
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:09:39 -
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Eli Apol wrote: And then 2 days later they just retake it back because you can't effectively defend the whole of nullsec.
Meanwhile all your empty systems are flipped by troll fleets every day because you're too thinly spread.
i didn't say take it, i said squash you
i then go off and squash the next guy who thought that empty space meant he could live there and delight in his squeals of rage, and then come back and squash you again once you think you're allowed to live in nullsec
you seem to think that if i can't have it that means you can have it but it is delightful to rip your tiny toys away from you and stomp on them even if they're too cheap and unfun for me to want in my massive toy box |

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
674
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:11:05 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:KC Kamikaze wrote:The "Protection" of tomorrow you speak of is todays rental agreement.
The new system will be great. Small groups can claim and hold sov. We have multiboxing alt corps holding down wormholes .. now some of those and more can move to holding their own piece of null. The only people who don't win are big coalitions .. and you have more than the means and resources to survive.
what makes you think i won't squash you for funsies we spent three months squashing anyone who dared mine gallente ice in highsec, what makes you think that every shitlord who raises a flag isn't going to look like a nail to swing my massive hammer at
Well that was hardly difficult was it, all the mining ships of that period had the tank of a wet paper bag, I would like to see you try it now on Skiffs and Procurer fleets, I doubt you will have the same level of success because it is no longer like taking candy from babies...
Yes of course you are going to wield that hammer, but the fun part is that smaller entities will go light, TCU next to a deathstar and some even working together to deal with your hammer, it will be fun won't it?
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Joe Themachine
Sleeper Tech. Research Foundation
59
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:12:09 -
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For God's sake CCP....sometimes I think you guys want to complicate things just for the sake of complication...All that wont work..just get rid of reinforcement mode, get rid of all time delays, and have it so that if you sit on it for x hours, its yours..done!
why must you complicate things while not achieving your goals?
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Lena Lazair
Khanid Irregulars Khanid's Legion
336
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:12:12 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote: what makes you think i won't squash you for funsies
we spent three months squashing anyone who dared mine gallente ice in highsec, what makes you think that every shitlord who raises a flag isn't going to look like a nail to swing my massive hammer at
I think we all absolutely expect CFC to scorched earth massive portions of the null map on a regular basis. But since you won't actually be CLAIMING that sov, merely burning it, it's not going to stay fun for very long.
In short, you'll get bored, and go away to burn some other part of the map. And the people who actually live in that region will finally undock and reclaim sov for the other 50 weeks of the year.
It'll be no different than wardeccing a high-sec corp. They'll just dock up for the week or two of your scorched earth campaign in their area, tear down any valuable POS's, and wait it out. |

Eli Apol
Pro Synergy
171
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:12:49 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:i didn't say take it, i said squash you
i then go off and squash the next guy who thought that empty space meant he could live there and delight in his squeals of rage, and then come back and squash you again once you think you're allowed to live in nullsec
you seem to think that if i can't have it that means you can have it but it is delightful to rip your tiny toys away from you and stomp on them even if they're too cheap and unfun for me to want in my massive toy box How do you squash me when my troll fleet is based out of NPC corps in highsec and just roams around every day RFing all your empty systems and never engaging in a fight? In fact, I can pretty much do that solo, I don't even need a fleet :D |

LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
698
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:13:11 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Eli Apol wrote: And then 2 days later they just retake it back because you can't effectively defend the whole of nullsec.
Meanwhile all your empty systems are flipped by troll fleets every day because you're too thinly spread.
i didn't say take it, i said squash you i then go off and squash the next guy who thought that empty space meant he could live there and delight in his squeals of rage, and then come back and squash you again once you think you're allowed to live in nullsec you seem to think that if i can't have it that means you can have it but it is delightful to rip your tiny toys away from you and stomp on them even if they're too cheap and unfun for me to want in my massive toy box
you will be too busy defending your own ****. you have more to lose if a station flips. |

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3191
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:13:50 -
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CCP: An idea:
1) Reduce the range and increase the cycle time of the Entosis link 2) Add a bonus to the range and cycle time of the Entosis link to some ship hulls.
Pick hulls that seem to be underutilized. Or perhaps T3's fitted with underutilized sub-systems.
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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
549
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:13:53 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Yes of course you are going to wield that hammer, but the fun part is that smaller entities will go light, TCU next to a deathstar and some even working together to deal with your hammer, it will be fun won't it? oh dear me a deathstar however will we deal with a single pos we have never managed to take one of those down before
and oh dear me FIVE groups of ten guys each who have never ventured out of highsec and are hilariously incompetent that is so much more fearsome than one of those groups and definitely not an even richer vein of rage that ccp has still not raised you up to our level |

Sar'aina
Kriegsmarinewerft Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:14:04 -
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So if my Alliance leader (i love him) decide: US TimeZone go fight, then i'll never gonna do sov pvp again?
(Good to be no Australian this time) |

KC Kamikaze
Blue-Fire
74
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:14:33 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:KC Kamikaze wrote:The "Protection" of tomorrow you speak of is todays rental agreement.
The new system will be great. Small groups can claim and hold sov. We have multiboxing alt corps holding down wormholes .. now some of those and more can move to holding their own piece of null. The only people who don't win are big coalitions .. and you have more than the means and resources to survive.
what makes you think i won't squash you for funsies we spent three months squashing anyone who dared mine gallente ice in highsec, what makes you think that every shitlord who raises a flag isn't going to look like a nail to swing my massive hammer at
LMAO yes Evilweasel ... I'm sure you and your massive hammer can hold down null sec and keep the shitlords at bay. I'm sure everyone will be too scared to move into null.
Sounds like a lot of fun wardeccing bears and ganking their ice miners.  |

SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
23
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:14:39 -
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What if designating a prime time when these timers exit was automated instead of manually selected by the alliance?
Could there be a formula that determines what four hour window the alliance is active and automatically updates each day based on the previous week or something? That way you would not have to worry about a European alliance setting their prime time for say Australian prime time to meta game around this.
I think there are some pros and cons to such a system, but I believe it is definitely worth discussing. |

EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
549
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:15:16 -
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Eli Apol wrote:How do you squash me when my troll fleet is based out of NPC corps in highsec and just roams around every day RFing all your empty systems and never engaging in a fight? In fact, I can pretty much do that solo, I don't even need a fleet :D see you've basically proven my point: the people who want entosis on interceptors are the people who are terrified of engaging in a fight
if this system is to provoke fights then inties can't have the link |

SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
24
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:16:31 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:CCP: An idea:
1) Reduce the range and increase the cycle time of the Entosis link 2) Add a bonus to the range and cycle time of the Entosis link to some ship hulls.
Pick hulls that seem to be underutilized. Or perhaps T3's fitted with underutilized sub-systems. It sounds like it would be a 'go T3 or go home' due to how well it would perform compared to other hulls. I don't think that would be a good thing. |

EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
551
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:16:48 -
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KC Kamikaze wrote:LMAO yes Evilweasel ... I'm sure you and your massive hammer can hold down null sec and keep the shitlords at bay. I'm sure everyone will be too scared to move into null. Sounds like a lot of fun wardeccing bears and ganking their ice miners.  could you call yourselves "the honey badger coalition" when you all move into null so we can repeat the last time we squashed a bunch of incompetents like a bug who thought that quantity was quality |

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
674
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:18:16 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Yes of course you are going to wield that hammer, but the fun part is that smaller entities will go light, TCU next to a deathstar and some even working together to deal with your hammer, it will be fun won't it? oh dear me a deathstar however will we deal with a single pos we have never managed to take one of those down before and oh dear me FIVE groups of ten guys each who have never ventured out of highsec and are hilariously incompetent that is so much more fearsome than one of those groups and definitely not an even richer vein of rage that ccp has still not raised you up to our level
Aha but then you might get bat-phoned by NCDOT.
You think, you remember that battle in Tribute when NCDOT and allies took down your SBU, well my other main was one of the 300.
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Eli Apol
Pro Synergy
173
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:18:28 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Eli Apol wrote:How do you squash me when my troll fleet is based out of NPC corps in highsec and just roams around every day RFing all your empty systems and never engaging in a fight? In fact, I can pretty much do that solo, I don't even need a fleet :D see you've basically proven my point: the people who want entosis on interceptors are the people who are terrified of engaging in a fight if this system is to provoke fights then inties can't have the link People who don't want interceptors with entosis links are those with huge swathes of unused Sov that won't be able to undock a simple T1 frigate and run their own link from 0km within 10-40mins of receiving an alert.
Sure I'll just be trolling/griefing/strategically harassing a large alliance with just me in my interceptor but the fact they can't turn up one pilot to stop me says alot about what they're doing with all that space. |

Lena Lazair
Khanid Irregulars Khanid's Legion
338
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:19:04 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:i didn't say take it, i said squash you
What are you going to squash? Small alliances won't drop ihubs or station eggs. They'll have a TCU and a few POS's. When you come through and flip the TCU they'll evacuate any POS's they need to and then log off for a week. You'll "squash" the TCU, maybe explode some POS's (if you REALLY want to commit a fleet to that), and then leave. Next week they'll login, flip your TCU back, and go on with life as normal. Unless CFC plans to go out and defend every single TCU timer in every constellation they "squashed", you'll be nothing more than a minor annoyance a few weeks of the year.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
1042
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:19:41 -
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Yeah ... what most of the first few pages said.
It is either going to be easy for large alliance to wipe out small attackers OR Small gang will go around flagging up every structure an alliance owns to make them chase their own tails.
CSM Ten movement for change.
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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
551
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:20:43 -
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Lena Lazair wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:i didn't say take it, i said squash you What are you going to squash? Small alliances won't drop ihubs or station eggs. They'll have a TCU and a few POS's. When you come through and flip the TCU they'll evacuate any POS's they need to and then log off for a week. You'll "squash" the TCU, maybe explode some POS's (if you REALLY want to commit a fleet to that), and then leave. Next week they'll login, flip your TCU back, and go on with life as normal. Unless CFC plans to go out and defend every single TCU timer in every constellation they "squashed", you'll be nothing more than a minor annoyance a few weeks of the year. i will be content with barring anyone from having any assets more sizable than a single pos with nothing valuable attached to it as they look forlornly at the station they wish they could use if not for the big bad goons |

KC Kamikaze
Blue-Fire
75
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:21:51 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote: could you call yourselves "the honey badger coalition" when you all move into null so we can repeat the last time we squashed a bunch of incompetents like a bug who thought that quantity was quality
Oh I dunno that I've ever run into your corp before, but i'll make a note so when we roll into you and watch you dock up cause you don't want your **** pushed in I can remind you of that big hammer you own.
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SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
24
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:22:19 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Delt0r Garsk wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The entosis thing should be restrcited from nullified ships. Meaning you can put one on a t3 unless you use the nullifier sub. People can still put them on the rest of frig hulls but not ceptors.
Or putting it on costs you nullification? Could live with that yea. All people would do is carry a Mobile Depot with them and when they arrive at the target system, go to a safe and fit the Entosis Link. I like the idea that interceptors and T3 cruisers should not be allowed to fit them or even have them in their cargo hold at all. I like the idea of the Entosis Link, but it is obvious when it is combined with certain ships or modules - it becomes very broken. |

Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
177
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:23:35 -
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Rendiff wrote:I like where they're going with this, but they need to make each system able to sustain the activity of a larger number of players.
If a system can sustain ratting/mining/etc for more players each alliance will require less space, allowing more groups entry into null.
I think this is the part that's missing, tbh. Once this is done, you have completed the trifecta of live where you work, and defend your space with local forces.
Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
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Demons Hell
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:23:39 -
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Eli Apol wrote:Demons Hell wrote:O_O....25 km t1.....O_o...250 km t2....whaaaaaaat?.....o_O....its ******* OP....good boost for a tech 2 stuff....i dont see in game one another stuff can boost +1000% the tech1 variant.
its ok if u boost the entosis range with the class ship(role bonus)....more big ship for more entosis range....but max 100 km not more..250 km in interceptor its ridicolous.
and please station service invulnerable....only hackable in the freeport mode or during the second timer...i dont want run in a station every time a troll frigate with a tech 1 module try hack and disable a station service.
i want play the game not only run in the game.
fix trolletto mechanics please.
Yes 250km in an interceptor IS ridiculous - which is why their slot layouts and fitting attributes don't enable them to be fit to lock that far 
2x sensor booster+script range? |
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