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pxmars Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:08:00 - [1021] well I might be double posting on this subject which I feel that ccp has shafted me. First off by letting this go on when they knew the truth about the bpos long before they did anything. I dont want to play in a game where the makers of the game can cheat people. Sorry cheater are the lowest form of life in my eyes. So I have cancel one of my accounts and going to let the others just expire. I not going to pay to be cheated.
Nim9i5	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:08:00 - [1022] I would like to see all of Bob's outposts/pos/capital ships deleted from the game.
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:09:00 - [1023] Originally by: Nim9i5 I would like to see all of Bob's outposts/pos/capital ships deleted from the game. I'd like to see you deleted from the game for making legal threats against CCP. //Maya
Tarkan Kador Amarr PanTarkan Kador Holdings	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:11:00 - [1024] As much as I am disgusted with CCP, I'm sticking with EVE for now, because: 1) My personal experience playing hasn't been negatively impacted by BoB, or CCP devs. 2) I like EVE, despite CCP, not because of CCP. If I do decide to leave though, it won't be because of these specific improprieties. It will be because of this line: *The developers of this company will always* play the games that they build here.** If they refuse to behave like developers, with a bit of professional distance between themselves and their clientele, then they are inviting this type of situation to occur over, and over, and over again. This is one of those situations where CCP can learn something from the mainstream MMO games, but refuse to, out of nothing but stubborness. EVE isn't going to suddenly become "Hello Kitty Online," or that "other" game with orcs'n'stuff, when the developers refrain from getting involved in player things acting as players. What it will do is make EVE resemble the high quality, premium experience it deserves to be, and not resemble some pirated greyshard from amatures, that happens to take credit cards. The "vision" gains nothing from allowing devs to join high profile private gaming clubs like BoB, and do BoB things. I expected more from Hellmar than trying to justify it as an essential development prerogative, and should call it what it is: a bunch of devs that want to hang with the 1337, because the 1337 are their personal friends, that they like better than everyone else. Please resize your signature picture to be no more than 24000 bytes, 400x120 pixels. - Devil ([email protected])
Nim9i5	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:11:00 - [1025] yea that was dumb of me, why not just buy it off LOL!
Dez Erichs Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:12:00 - [1026] Here are my impresssions on the two blog articles. t20: I didn't really care all that much, but now I am madder than ever. Of the 3 allegations, the only one that can be proven is the one he admitted to. This amounts to massive bad faith. I don't believe anything he says can be trusted and I will not have any forgiveness until he can conclusively prove his other two 'allegations'. Also, I believe the alliance in question deserves punitive damages for having the T2 BPOs in their possesion (for the time that they did). As for game mechanics, I need to look into it more, but in order to keep everything on the level, I would expect that if Devs want to play in the future, they release all game mechanics to the players who want them. (I'd especially like to know the math involved for wrecking hits). Hellmar: I like the stance taken, and I hope that it is followed through, even though the article is a little fluffy. As per the 'Commitment', I expect t20s characters to be deleted, and he will have his employment terminated at CCP. I would expect this of any Devs who are found to have done misconduct, as per the 'Commitment'. Conclusion: I own 3 accounts, and have played for almost a year. Eve is my major hobby, taking up all my spare time, and I love it to death. There is no game after Eve. However, being a citizen of Eve, I expect that Eve is not the "Dev's Sandbox" where they get to have unfair advantages over other players. This is being addressed, however being a Dev naturally gives access to insider information. Thus, I would expect that all Devs should not be involved at all in widespread Alliance conflict, and only participate in Eve where their effect is minimal. My confidence is shaken, but I believe that the problems will be fixed. I would expect that all of the Dev's accounts are known by CCP, and their IPs and credit cards logged to ensure they are not getting past CCP's watchful eye. I think the Devs must choose between their job or Eve, because there is no middle ground. I would expect that in the future the Devs will play Eve, but must have a minimal effect on the game's economy and political map. Thanks, -Dez --- Dez Erichs, Captain, Agony Unleashed "Veni, Vidi, Caedi"
Bitchslap	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:14:00 - [1027] Edited by: ***slap on 10/02/2007 05:10:52 ban for life , end of storie
Nim9i5	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:16:00 - [1028] You can't ban him!!! he can easily change his isp -- right now he could be moving his assests on a diff account/isp, selling on market to himself at one isk. He will have no loss, any one with some computer intelligence can get around a ip ban. Especially a hacker!
Hesh Ballantine Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:16:00 - [1029] Originally by: kieron We do not have any proof showing the members of Reikoku (other than t20) had any knowledge that these BPs were illegally gained. We cannot punish players for innocently using items they thought were legal. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online This is simply untrue. Part of the evidence presented by kugutsumen was mail from Dianabolic acknowledging that the BPOs belonged to t20 and that he'd been able to keep control of them. I'd quote that mail but you'll just edit it out or ban me. Really though, your concern isn't so much the ill will of current players. Like any MMO you need new subscribers to keep the income flowing. What do you think potential customers are going to think of the articles at prominent sites like slashdot? If you keep trying to obfuscate with this blatant scapegoating, you'll all be looking for new jobs, not just t20. You have an amazing game, please stop ****ting on it.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:20:00 - [1030] Edited by: Nez Perces on 10/02/2007 05:18:19 After reading the blogs and statements from CCP on this matter and the fact that it is deemed imperative for CCP employees to play the game to better understand how to improve it...... ..... there is only one thing CCP can do to restore confidence in their consumers. Whilst no CCP employee should lose their livelyhood over this issue as it is a game after all..... CCP must have the BoB alliance officially disbanded. I will endeavour to explain why: Where there is smoke there is fire.... this saying is as old as the hills and has a lot of truth to it. The BoB alliance is now tainted beyond repair.... there was high level knowledge of the fact that Devs were in the alliance and that they may or may not have been assisting the alliance with 'stuff'.... bpo's being the only proven misconduct. It therefore must be disbanded as a warning for all other alliances and devs within them. The message to developers in alliances around EVE must be crystal clear.... If you are found guilty of any misconduct or untoward behaviour whilst playing the game in an alliance, it will be the kiss of death for said alliance. Anything less than this level of punishment in-game for the alliance that has partaken in dev misconduct and this kind of situation will only became engrained in EVE concsiousness.. and the game itself will be die.

Jonis Sinmaker Valiant Logistics Inc. Black Flag Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:21:00 - [1031] CCP says there are only a few things that t20 has done, but what have the devs done that no one can prove over the past year or so. I mean come on. There are many things that we have seen happen for BoB that they say was "luck" and if it were anyone else would they have the same "luck"? I don't think so. -------- Semper Fi, Jonis Sinmaker
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:21:00 - [1032] Edited by: Maya Rkell on 10/02/2007 05:21:27 arkan Kador, the most damaging thing which can possibly happen to a game, especially a MMO, is for its developers not to play it. As respected MMO devs like Scott Jennings and Raph Koster have pointed out. Hesh Ballantine, yes, evidence presented by a criminal. Evidence which cannot be taken at face value. As can be seen from the goons, there appears to be a short step from client hacking to any sort of hacking being acceptable. Ban them, ban them all. Nez Perces, the only thing to explain is you've never got over losing to BoB once. That saying is complete rubbish, and has eveything to do with panic and scaremongering. Unless you ban the corps playing together - and nothing could be more destructive to the game - it would be pointless and purely symbolic. You're calling for punishments which would do far more damage - scattering thousands of bitter players to other games - than the few hundred who will quit over this (Unless goonfleet is properly banned, of course). Any more action caused by bitter rumourmongers and scare merchants with a grudge who care nothing for the game and everything for their own focus and lense is uncessary. //Maya
Evil D4rk Caldari Shihan.	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:22:00 - [1033] Originally by: Hesh Ballantine Originally by: kieron We do not have any proof showing the members of Reikoku (other than t20) had any knowledge that these BPs were illegally gained. We cannot punish players for innocently using items they thought were legal. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online This is simply untrue. Part of the evidence presented by kugutsumen was mail from Dianabolic acknowledging that the BPOs belonged to t20 and that he'd been able to keep control of them. I'd quote that mail but you'll just edit it out or ban me. Did you just pwn yourself? The evidence shows that they were T20's and he gave them to BOB, no evidence shows how he got them, as far as proof goes, everyone in RKK could have thought he got them from a research agent just like everyone else.
Redwolf Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:22:00 - [1034] Originally by: Hesh Ballantine Originally by: kieron We do not have any proof showing the members of Reikoku (other than t20) had any knowledge that these BPs were illegally gained. We cannot punish players for innocently using items they thought were legal. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online This is simply untrue. Part of the evidence presented by kugutsumen was mail from Dianabolic acknowledging that the BPOs belonged to t20 and that he'd been able to keep control of them. I'd quote that mail but you'll just edit it out or ban me. Really though, your concern isn't so much the ill will of current players. Like any MMO you need new subscribers to keep the income flowing. What do you think potential customers are going to think of the articles at prominent sites like slashdot? If you keep trying to obfuscate with this blatant scapegoating, you'll all be looking for new jobs, not just t20. You have an amazing game, please stop ****ting on it. Stuff written on a 3rd party site with no association to or controlled by CCP, claiming logs of stuff written on another 3rd party site, again in no way associated or controlled by CCP, is not "evidence", no matter how true it may or may not be. CCP have no way to measure the veracity of said "evidence" therefore they cannot act upon it. ---- It's great being Amarr, ain't it?
Ironnight Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:23:00 - [1035] t20 for fanfest 2007 host! Im sure many people in the alliances BOB have attacked would love to meet and greet him Hellmar/kieron just to clarify, you found out about this summer, yet the BPOs stayed in BOB until now, or am I reading this wrong? If yes, I would like to hear the reasons for letting that happen. It will be interesting to see how many will distance themselfs from BOB after this, very interesting with the wars going on.
Evil D4rk Caldari Shihan.	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:24:00 - [1036] Originally by: Nez Perces CCP must have the BoB alliance officially disbanded. Oh god nez, comon please, this is meant to be a serious discussion.
Vily Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:24:00 - [1037] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 10/02/2007 05:18:19 After reading the blogs and statements from CCP on this matter and the fact that it is deemed imperative for CCP employees to play the game to better understand how to improve it...... ..... there is only one thing CCP can do to restore confidence in their consumers. Whilst no CCP employee should lose their livelyhood over this issue as it is a game after all..... CCP must have the BoB alliance officially disbanded. I will endeavour to explain why: Where there is smoke there is fire.... this saying is as old as the hills and has a lot of truth to it. The BoB alliance is now tainted beyond repair.... there was high level knowledge of the fact that Devs were in the alliance and that they may or may not have been assisting the alliance with 'stuff'.... bpo's being the only proven misconduct. It therefore must be disbanded as a warning for all other alliances and devs within them. The message to developers in alliances around EVE must be crystal clear.... If you are found guilty of any misconduct or untoward behaviour whilst playing the game in an alliance, it will be the kiss of death for said alliance. Anything less than this level of punishment in-game for the alliance that has partaken in dev misconduct and this kind of situation will only became engrained in EVE concsiousness.. and the game itself will be die. wrong. you disband bob and you loose eve period. whats the point in playing if the top of the field can be cleared by something nobody can affect? you yourself have said you were cancelling your accounts HOW MANY times? people keep playing EVE because it's the best game out there, and will continue to for a long time. That being said there is still information that I would like released, before I will be personally satisified. but if i dont get it? I'll still be here. -
Reverend Revelator Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:24:00 - [1038] Originally by: Maya Rkell Hesh Ballantine, yes, evidence presented by a criminal. Evidence which cannot be taken at face value. As can be seen from the goons, there appears to be a short step from client hacking to any sort of hacking being acceptable. Ban them, ban them all. If he made stuff up, why would T20 post a blog saying he knowingly and willfully cheated, and that he is really really sorry he got caught? Why would CCP even dignify this with a response? -- Dead People Laugh At The Murder Of Love --
Caliwyrm O'Libr	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:25:00 - [1039] Originally by: Maya Rkell Hesh Ballantine, yes, evidence presented by a criminal. Evidence which cannot be taken at face value. As can be seen from the goons, there appears to be a short step from client hacking to any sort of hacking being acceptable. Ban them, ban them all. Seriously, get off the "criminal" thing. First off, 'hacking' (AKA "reverse engineering") is NOT illegal in all countries. However, "Pretexting" (AKA pretending to be someone/something else to gain information like, say, on an enemies message board system) IS illegal in most countries (but not in all). So unless you want all "criminals" in BoB banned for spying on other corp's forums I'd stop saying such things.. ======= Talk is cheap because supply always outweighs demand..
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:25:00 - [1040] Quote: on recent allegations reported by CCP t20 \| 2007.02.09 15:50:42 \| NEW \| Comments As you might have read and heard, there were recently some allegations posted regarding developer misconduct that basically come down to: Developers helping (an) alliance(s) gain information they otherwise would not have. Developers having an unfair advantage of game mechanics. Developers helping themselves acquire goods in-game by means of in-house tools, otherwise not available to regular players. All allegations mentioned above are untrue, except one. Sadly enough, the allegation regarding unlawfully obtained blueprints are, in my case, true. IÆm here, laying out the facts of what happened in June 2006 so this whole issue -- which jeopardized my colleagues, my company and our community -- can be put behind us, I hope for the better. The blueprints in question will be returned to CCP and reintroduced through a new raffle in the future. Specifically, these are: Flameburst Precision Light Missile Blueprint Phalanx Rage Rocket Blueprint Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Blueprint Bloodclaw Fury Light Missile Blueprint Spike L Blueprint Sabre Blueprint Oh FFS let it die.. So t20 gave himself some T2 *MISSILE* bpos.. Was it fair? Not really.. Was it a gamebreaker for the rest of EvE? Hardly.. Name one alliance or corp.. ONE.. that suffered from this 'horrible' abuse of power.. Like some missiles will change the fukin map.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )

Redwolf Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:30:00 - [1041] Thread speed has dropped to under 2 posts per minute ---- It's great being Amarr, ain't it?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:32:00 - [1042] Thats because people are starting to realize that this whole affair is a non-event.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dagrin RDM Caldari The Knights of the New Republic Forces of Freedom	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:33:00 - [1043] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Thats because people are starting to realize that this whole affair is a non-event.. ...or they're going to sleep..it's getting late in a lot of places. Originally by: Seroquel it takes a while to get use to the people in eve. they are a little too... friendly. sorta like the texas chainsaw massacre country folk friendly.
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:37:00 - [1044] Everything presented by kugutzmynameison***** was already well known by many people in the community. The dirt doesnt stop here though, bobs about as clean as a used tampon. And many members of the community know it. A few questions, If it was uncovered over the summer, WHY did he still have the BPO's?????? Will there be an investigation into Aurora. Many members of the community know of wrongdoings and "unplanned events" taking place, and lot of them are linked to DICE. In my opinion the harshest measures should be taken against those already implicated and the investigation should delve deeper than it already has, things that take place outside of eve should be considered too, such as the BoD forum. If TS+Forums are not allowed as evidence because they do not take place in game then it is just a rediculous waste of time. Im sure white wolf are happy with their choices now.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:38:00 - [1045] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 10/02/2007 05:35:02 Originally by: Dagrin RDM ...or they're going to sleep..it's getting late in a lot of places. Hehe.. Too true.. But seriously how much territory was lost due to the T2 missiles that were given out? Oh right.. none.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Tarri Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:38:00 - [1046] Edited by: Tarri on 10/02/2007 05:36:20 Who in their right mind will start playing EVE now. The game where devs cheat? All you whiners about the hacker.... the messanger does not matter... it is the message he brings which DOES!!!! Subscription Status:Active Cancellation Pending ----
Reverend Revelator Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:39:00 - [1047] Originally by: Maya Rkell Edited by: Maya Rkell on 10/02/2007 05:26:38 Reverend Revelator, The accusations have been looked at. One is true, and has now been brought to light as something allready acted on. The REST of the accusations... well, the fact nothing has been said is VERY telling about their (in)accuracy. The accusation was true word for word, down to the exact t2 BPOs CCP admitted was illegally spawned, and then allowed to be used by BoB for more than 6 months, once again confirmed not by the hacker but by CCP offically. In fact, Kugu has continually and consistantly been accused of hacking and stealing peoples secrets, but those accusations in themself pretty much prove he is not a liar. If he made stuff up, there would be no case at all, everyone knows this. Also, something was brought to light that was in fact not acted upon at all, no discernible punishment for the cheater at all, and the crime itself left in game to continuate itself. -- Dead People Laugh At The Murder Of Love --
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:39:00 - [1048] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 10/02/2007 05:35:56 Originally by: Tarri Subscription Status:Active Cancellation Pending Can I have your stuff? Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Kerushi Caldari Black Thorne Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:40:00 - [1049] i think we all sucked into the greatest scam of all... 1. players whine about a dev cheating lock thread and say we investigate and hope it goes away 2. players keep whining about it fine, we`ll forge a plan without losing T20 as we need him 3. dev must confess but we don`t want to fire him we`ll say it was in the past and that he got punished for it no one can prove otherwise and about the (crap) bpo`s we`ll say it was oversigh or bad judgment, the truth of the(39?) bpo`s stay safe inhouse or it would endup in a rollback of 1 year 3.a dev must confess but can`t let him go or he`ll tell the truth we`ll say it was in the past and that he got punished for it no one can prove otherwise and about the (crap) bpo`s we`ll say it was oversigh or bad judgment, the truth of the(39?) bpo`s stay safe inhouse or it would endup in a rollback of 1 year 4. if the bpo`s were left ingame, ppl will say to remove the isk we`ll just say it is impossible to figure out and who to punish as an excuse 5. willl every one buy it? maybe cause it`s to simple to see tried to get some sleep and came up with this as my conclusion that investigation took place between the whining and this statement the dmg in bpo`s must be so high, that removing and punishing every one would even destroy the mighty bob in this case role play the past and use bad judgement as excuse and every one is is clear besides some crap wich will be ignored nway if this is true, it has been 1 of the better implementations of roleplay since launch this wasn`t discoverd last summer or else it would have been known and the bpo`s would have been released with the destruction and banning of rkk, not to mention the spam of alliance members having so many bpo`s been taken from them this all is just 1 big ******* lie we`ve all been trapped in to 3x cap rig I hyperion for sale
Tarri Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:41:00 - [1050] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 10/02/2007 05:35:56 Originally by: Tarri Subscription Status:Active Cancellation Pending Can I have your stuff? You are not funny, coward alt from Imperial Academy.... ----



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