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Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:42:00 - [1051] Originally by: Vily whats the point in playing if the top of the field can be cleared by something nobody can affect? Lets turn that question around... What is teh point of trying to get to the top of the field when your progress is unaided by Developer help.. aka .. something nobody can affect? Look.... nobody knows how deep the rabbit hole goes.. or if it does at all... maybe the whole situation with t20 was very innocent.. maybe it wasn't. The thing is though that the cat is out of the bag.. and for the bag to be closed again, BoB has to cease to exist in its current format.... as a warning. Anything else.. will be just brushing the issue under the carpet and hoping it will go away. Some people obviously think this issue will go away.. others don't. I believe it wont.. not until CCP really put their foot down and make it clear that no alliance is beyond termination should this kind of misconduct come to light.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:44:00 - [1052] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 10/02/2007 05:40:55 Originally by: Tarri You are not funny, coward alt from Imperial Academy.... Plz quit eve so the rest of us can get on with the GAME.. And if t20 had not had access to the t2 missile bpos you think they would not have had access to t2 missles or even afford them? Like I said its a non-event.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:46:00 - [1053] Collective punishment. Disrupting the game in precisely the way you claim not to want. It's an agenda beyond that, Nez, which you're pushing. Move on. You're effectively calling for bans, because nothing else would stop them playing together - especially in the war in which I'm sure you'll be involved in. It's sad to see what bitterness can do to a man, Nez. //Maya
Tarri Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:46:00 - [1054] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 10/02/2007 05:40:55 Originally by: Tarri You are not funny, coward alt from Imperial Academy.... Plz quit eve so the rest of us can get on with the GAME.. And if t20 had not had access to the t2 missile bpos you think they would not have had access to t2 missles or even afford them? Like I said its a non-event.. The rest won¦t be much, coward... ----
Mark Marlowe Caldari PLAYBOYS	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:46:00 - [1055] I have only read the first 3 pages in this thread but I will read them all.. But I must say this and I havnt seen anybody mention this.. NO DEV, CCP EMPLOYEE OR ASSOCIATE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE A MEMBER OF ANYTHING OTHER THAN A NPC CORP... Dev and CCP employees can get togeather and play to experience the game without affiliating themselfs with other players, groups, corps or alliances... There is plenty of enjoyment in the game without being in a player Corp/Alliance. Fairplay....
Caligulus	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:49:00 - [1056] If a dev wants to play on tranq they should be tagged as a developer. End of story. There will now and forever be an inherit mistrust of any and every developer in this game. So how is it that T20 managed to retain his job in spite of the CEO of ccp stating that abuse of power is grounds for non-negotiable termination? More lies? From the top?! You expect us to believe anything you guys say? T20 should be terminated. T20 ruined my respect for all of you guys. EvE will never live this down. Ever...
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:49:00 - [1057] Originally by: Maya Rkell Collective punishment. Disrupting the game in precisely the way you claim not to want. It's an agenda beyond that, Nez, which you're pushing. Move on. You're effectively calling for bans, because nothing else would stop them playing together - especially in the war in which I'm sure you'll be involved in. It's sad to see what bitterness can do to a man, Nez. Oh for crying out loud maya... comeon what am I bitter about pls tell me... you know so much about me.... I think I've spoken to you once or twice. Pls tell me what it is I am bitter about.. cause I don't seem to know. If you disagree with what I am saying pls provide an argument.. trying to attack me with baseless accusations.. thats sad.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:50:00 - [1058] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 10/02/2007 05:47:51 Originally by: Caligulus If a dev wants to play on tranq they should be tagged as a developer. End of story. There will now and forever be an inherit mistrust of any and every developer in this game. So how is it that T20 managed to retain his job in spite of the CEO of ccp stating that abuse of power is grounds for non-negotiable termination? More lies? From the top?! You expect us to believe anything you guys say? T20 should be terminated. T20 ruined my respect for all of you guys. EvE will never live this down. Ever... I'd amend that to say that they can join a player corp and alliance but they should not use their dev powers to any gain.. That being siad if t20 had fiven out rattlesnakes to all the copp then i might have some issues.. But AMMO FFS.. how the hell does that cause an alliance imbalance other than they save a few iskies in the deal? Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:51:00 - [1059] I am glad that CCP has had the two recent blogs, however I am concerned in the manner in which they were obtained. I have the distinct impression that if such an ourtrage had not erupted with Kieron's first thread on the manner that this would have been swept under the rug. I came to EVE from SWG, I left SWG because of SOE's handling of the rollout of the NGE and its incompleteness at launch. In recent days I've seen that same sort of anger being raised by the members of this community and I know well the damage that can be done in such cases as seen by SWG current state. I believe that the removal of the now confirmed placed BPOs is a good first step. However that is not really enough. It is clear that BoB has prospered from items they should not have gotten. Now some have come up with a figure of 14 billion or so, I have no idea how much they have made. It is clear they should be penalized for the use of items they should not have had. If you don't penalize them, then you will just get people to keep quiet on dev, GM, and other cheating. Thus BoB needs to be penalized this amount of money. If all the BPOs are held by a single corp still then let that corp's wallet be penalized the requisite amount of ISK. If they are scattered among several corps let the burden be shared by all BoB corps. Kugutsumen as far as I know remains banned. It is clear that he did post personal information which is a violation of the EULA and TOS. All of the accounts that shared his ISP were banned. It is also a well known fact that SirMolle has posted in the past personal information of EVE customers on these forums, including Kugutsumen. SirMolle should be immediately banned from EVE, all accounts that have ever used the same connection Sir Molle uses should be banned effective immediately. The login records of the various accounts brought up in recent allegations of account sharing need to be checked. If it is clear from this that more than one person is using that account, then that account and all accounts sharing the same internet connection need to be banned. Its a manner of reestablishing order. I understand that this will cost CCP money in the near term, but I feel such measures need to be enforced in order to maintain the games integrity and long term health. It is also that in the unlikely event someone ever challenged the EULA in a court of law either in the United States or the European Union that if it can be proved that CCP has ignored the EULA on some occasions in the past to save friends or employees then it will damage any case that they could bring forth, possibly to the point of making it seem the EULA is null and void due to such discretionary use. I feel for the many people that have been affected by this and I feel for the rank and file members of Band of Brothers who were not party to the events that lead to recent allegations. I have also heard claims that a GM was flying around the Goon moons just prior to the declaration of war. This seems most unusual. If this GM was spying on the Goons for BoB they need to be terminated. t20 I realize that it was hard for you to write the Blog, but you can't have rules without consequences. You have done some good work for CCP and EVE in the past, but that is now overshadowed by this misdeed. Good luck on your future employment and remember the lessons learned. Order must remain though if the game is to continue into the foreseeable future, and to have order the rules must be enforced for all equally. Galactic Express Recruitment Post
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:52:00 - [1060] Edited by: Fester Addams on 10/02/2007 05:49:29 First post: Posted - 2007.02.09 20:23:00 My post: Posted - 2007.02.10 05:47:07 During that time 35 pages were filled. Edit: from when I stated my post untill I posted 3 more pages were filled making it an even 38 atm. The devs are going to have alot to read in a few hours when they get to work. As for the offence... I have seen alot of people claiming that it wasnt much of a crime as the gains would not have given all that much isk. There are a few issues that they are ignoring. Firstly, its not the value of the item that is the wrongdoing, to me it would not matter if the spawned items were 6 trit spawned because he wanted to build somthing and realized he was those 6 trit short. It is not the value that makes the crime. It is true that BoB could probbaly have bought the prints, they may even already have the prints but haing a car does not make grand theft auto any less of a crime, likewise having a Porche 911 does not make the theft of a rusty old Lada any less of a crime. Secondly, qhat many of thise people forget is that there is a second victim in this, if the prints had not been stolen then someone else would have been awarded thise prints in the T2 lottery. I am sure you all know of many many people who have been patiently (or not so) waiting to recieve that all important mail "*I've had a breakthrough!" (take it from me, after getting one your whole week will have a silver lining). As they say the isk gain for BoB may be minimal but the person that would otherwise have gotten... say the sabre BPO may have been a struggling player in a small but active corp. The print may have been the thing that pushed them from a struggling highsec corp to a fledgeling 0.0 corp. The theaft of thise prints robbed the game of this. Even the ammo prints, as low gain as they are would have made someones day, week or possibly even month. Im not going to go in on what cource of action CCP should take on t20, that is for CCP to decide however for the record the company policy in thise matters is very clear and that does not leave much space for CCP to act without compromising themselves. Likewise when it comes to BoB I will not call for pitchforks and torches nor will I claim their innocence. Again it is upp to CCP to decide what is to be done but like with t20 CCP should know that they have all the eyes of EvE on them, sadly for BoB this time their fame and aledged contacts do not work in their favor. About BoB I will however add that I am dissapointed, getting themselves into this crap is not somthing I would have expected from them, bending the rules yes but bending is not breaking. Sadly for you your reputation in this game will never be the same, you will always at every point be hackled with the cheater blanket wether justified or not. Then we have this claim that Sir Molle has revealed a players real name and adress... I havent got the foggiest if this is true or not, I sincerely hope it is not but if it is true* then CCP's hands are again tied, people have been banned for less. I do not know Sir Molle personally but his name is one of thiose that is known, it is always say when such individuals act badly, lets hope it is not true. My hope is that this thread can slow down not at 35 pages, very few new points can be brought into the discussion (my above included) and I would suggest we now give CCP a week to sift through things and reply to our questions after wich we can nail them all to the plank again and demand more answers. /best regards Fester Addams

Crypt Gallente Vogon Deconstruction Fleet Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:53:00 - [1061] What a cluster**. I've wondered for quite sometime why all the best Tech 2 BPOs seem to go to the most special/popular of the community and none of them ever seem to find their way into the hands of the lesser known players, now I know why. Favoritism sucks. If I were an ex member of ASCN I'd be fricken livid about now. Thankfully I'm not so I'm just completely disgusted instead. Quote:** It is a poor sort of man who is content to be spoon-fed knowledge that has been filtered through the canon of religious or political belief
Dungheap Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:55:00 - [1062] GM's moon-hopping in a system that's coming under conflict. this loads the .dds files into his cache. those files can be copied to other player's cache files. would this have the effect of 'pre-loading' that system into a player's game, so they'd get much less lag than jumping into a system for the first time ?
Caliwyrm O'Libr	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:55:00 - [1063] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Vily whats the point in playing if the top of the field can be cleared by something nobody can affect? Lets turn that question around... What is teh point of trying to get to the top of the field when your progress is unaided by Developer help.. aka .. something nobody can affect? Look.... nobody knows how deep the rabbit hole goes.. or if it does at all... maybe the whole situation with t20 was very innocent.. maybe it wasn't. The thing is though that the cat is out of the bag.. and for the bag to be closed again, BoB has to cease to exist in its current format.... as a warning. Anything else.. will be just brushing the issue under the carpet and hoping it will go away. Some people obviously think this issue will go away.. others don't. I believe it wont.. not until CCP really put their foot down and make it clear that no alliance is beyond termination should this kind of misconduct come to light. You're absolutely right, I don't think the EVE populace can forget about all this while BoB is around and CCP and BoB command knows this. Anything BoB has ever done and ever will do in the future will always be suspect and CCP will take the full brunt of the players' anger any time BoB accomplishes anything--legit or not. Think of the timing.. Right before this hits BoB decs RAGOON+friends. Knowing that BoB has a huge list of enemies that were already waiting to pounce this 'investigation', such as it is, releases its findings 24 hours later.. Suddenly anyone who would have been on the sideline can't wait to get a piece of BoB. BoB is not meant to survive this current war and for the sake of EVE they simply CAN'T. BoB vs RA+Goons+AAA+D2+IAC+IRON+TCF+CA+MM+SMASH+SNIGG+just about any other 0.0 alliance. BoB isn't meant to survive, they're being sacrificed as well. If BoB could somehow survive such a massive force the amount of posts crying "See! They truly are BoD!" would threaten to implode the entire internet. I'm sure CCP will probably reward the BoB command with 12 month GTCs for their sacrifice. (Yes, my tin foil hat fits just fine) ======= Talk is cheap because supply always outweighs demand..
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:55:00 - [1064] Originally by: Draaken Edited by: Draaken on 10/02/2007 04:24:26 Originally by: Liet Traep I'm halfway done with cancelling my accounts. Don't threaten, do. If they come back on Monday morning to find that one third of their customers' accounts have been canceled, I'm sure it'll ring a bell. I know my 4 accounts won't be renewed once they run out in a few days unless this pile of poo is being handled properly and questions asked get at least satisfactory answers. Edit: customer's VS customers' I've cancelled one account already. I'm still waffling on this one. Not an easy decision for me to make. I think a part of it will be if BoB gets any more mysterious "lucky breaks." I still can't believe not one person in RKK got a ban over this. I think if it had been any other alliance there'd been a big booting. But I don't think BoB has been or is being treated the same as everyone else. I just don't trust CCP when it comes to them. I'm still in shock about how badly CCP bungled this.
QwaarJet Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:56:00 - [1065] This whole incident makes me sick to my stomach. Why bother playing EVE at all? I already know poeple who have cancelled their accounts over this, and if I didn't have so much energy put into this game, I would do the same thing. I still cannot believe t20 hasn't been dismissed. He's been at the centre of corruption allegations for some time. You guys may be forced into action however, because I don't think you quite grasp how big this is. People aren't going to just "move on" because t20 spilled the beans on some of what has happened. This incident is here to stay, and could sadly be the death of EVE if this level of corruption continues. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!"
Rodney Caston Messerschmitt Shipyards Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:56:00 - [1066] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus And if t20 had not had access to the t2 missile bpos you think they would not have had access to t2 missles or even afford them? Like I said its a non-event.. So it's ok to steal if you are rich enough to pay for it anyways? Were you on the Winona Ryder jury?
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:03:00 - [1067] If that were true it would be even more damning. Is that another question we should ask? Was this an issue that was pulled out from under the rug and why did you ever think that that was the correct decision? ----- results may vary
Primus Centarus	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:04:00 - [1068] Edited by: Primus Centarus on 10/02/2007 06:02:22 Originally by: Maya Rkell Stuff Maya... you do realize that these message boards aren't like the others out there, right? There's no "post count" for you to bump up. You don't need to personally answer each and every post made on here like you work for CCP...... Or do you? Wait... you're not a Dev, are you?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:04:00 - [1069] Originally by: Rodney Caston Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus And if t20 had not had access to the t2 missile bpos you think they would not have had access to t2 missles or even afford them? Like I said its a non-event.. So it's ok to steal if you are rich enough to pay for it anyways? Were you on the Winona Ryder jury? Am I saying its right what he did? of course not.. But step back a few feet and look at what was done.. Missiles.. Thats all.. Now I'm sure your all thinking what else was done by t20 but i'm fairly certain it was just the missiles.. I mean really how much of an advantage does some T2 missiles give anyone? No doubt t20 thought the same thing.. What harm could come from spawning some T2 missile bpos.. You still have to have a clue about warfare to use them to gain territory and last itme I checked T2 missiles were availible in every region in an excess of stock.. This whole ordeal is just a 'flame CCP for cheating' and rightly so I guess but after you take all the consequenses into your head you should realize its a NON-EVENT.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:07:00 - [1070] Edited by: Nez Perces on 10/02/2007 06:04:40 Originally by: Maya Rkell Nez Perces, I once respected you in Eve. But FIX lost. Please, let it go. It was amicable enough at the time. I'm afraid you are very much mistaken... FIX never lost to BoB.... FIX lost to the CODA coalition ... and I actually stopped being in FIX before that war even kicked off. So you might want to reasses your opinion on me or at least the reasons why you hold them. When I was a FIX JCoS... both BoB and FIX ended up wanting to NAP eachother.. we signed a NAP on equal terms as equals. And even now FIX is a BoB ally... So I have no idea where you are coming from with all this stuff. Seriously if you wanna have a go at me find something that makes sense.

Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:07:00 - [1071] Edited by: Maya Rkell on 10/02/2007 06:04:27 Primus Centarus, I do not and never have worked for CCP. I'm bored and waiting for other people to finish something so I can do my bit and go to bed. And yes, it is like 6am here in the UK. No tinfoil hats here, I'm afraid. Nez, pull the other one. I was there, remember. And this really IS a sideline. //Maya
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:08:00 - [1072] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Am I saying its right what he did? of course not.. But step back a few feet and look at what was done.. Missiles.. Thats all.. Now I'm sure your all thinking what else was done by t20 but i'm fairly certain it was just the missiles.. I mean really how much of an advantage does some T2 missiles give anyone? No doubt t20 thought the same thing.. What harm could come from spawning some T2 missile bpos.. You still have to have a clue about warfare to use them to gain territory and last itme I checked T2 missiles were availible in every region in an excess of stock.. This whole ordeal is just a 'flame CCP for cheating' and rightly so I guess but after you take all the consequenses into your head you should realize its a NON-EVENT.. From t20's blog: Quote: # Spike L Blueprint # Sabre Blueprint t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Aphotic Raven Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:09:00 - [1073] Edited by: Aphotic Raven on 10/02/2007 06:06:20 Im looking forward to the coming fights with BoB, I'd like to see eve band together to take them down this time. Its only just... Tick Tock
The Libertine	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:11:00 - [1074] Originally by: Azerrad InExile t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level." I think I just found my new sig.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:11:00 - [1075] Originally by: Azerrad InExile Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Am I saying its right what he did? of course not.. But step back a few feet and look at what was done.. Missiles.. Thats all.. Now I'm sure your all thinking what else was done by t20 but i'm fairly certain it was just the missiles.. I mean really how much of an advantage does some T2 missiles give anyone? No doubt t20 thought the same thing.. What harm could come from spawning some T2 missile bpos.. You still have to have a clue about warfare to use them to gain territory and last itme I checked T2 missiles were availible in every region in an excess of stock.. This whole ordeal is just a 'flame CCP for cheating' and rightly so I guess but after you take all the consequenses into your head you should realize its a NON-EVENT.. From t20's blog: Quote: # Spike L Blueprint # Sabre Blueprint OMG! He had some gate camping T2 sniper ammo too!!!!!!!!! Your right.. He gave an unfair advantage to his alliance.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:12:00 - [1076] Originally by: Aphotic Raven Edited by: Aphotic Raven on 10/02/2007 06:06:20 Im looking forward to the coming fights with BoB, I'd like to see eve band together to take them down this time. Its only just... Tick Tock Aphotic, I'd be with you...except you have goonswarm. I can't overlook that or the stunning level of hypocrisy which it involves. Ditch them and we can talk. //Maya
Tarkan Kador Amarr PanTarkan Kador Holdings	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:12:00 - [1077] Edited by: Tarkan Kador on 10/02/2007 06:09:29 Originally by: Maya Rkell Edited by: Maya Rkell on 10/02/2007 05:21:27 arkan Kador, the most damaging thing which can possibly happen to a game, especially a MMO, is for its developers not to play it. As respected MMO devs like Scott Jennings and Raph Koster have pointed out. You don't need to join private, professionalized gaming clubs, fraternize with select patrons on a more personal level, and pursue private gaming club interests to play the game. If you did, the majority of players in EVE couldn't play the game. See, Hellmar confuses the things developers can control, with the things that no development could ever control. He says things like, "in order to do justice to the game, we must share your frustrations, joys, successes and failures," but its clear to me that he's just trying to come up with some crazy reason for devs to become card-carrying members of private patron alliances, because there is no honest, developmentally related reason for them to be there. Sharing BoB's, D2's, or even my "frustrations, joys, successes, and failures" doesn't solve the problems that only developers can solve, like balancing damage metrics, or reducing lag, or getting an Amarr Emperor on the throne. All it does is confuse the developers, and makes them think the issues they cannot influence through development are issues they can. Please resize your signature picture to be no more than 24000 bytes, 400x120 pixels. - Devil ([email protected])
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:15:00 - [1078] Tarkan Kador, since you have solved the play issues, please evemail me in game and we can discuss how to use your soloution (which has so far escaped the entire gaming industry) to make money. Lots of money. //Maya
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:15:00 - [1079] So where are all the BOB spinmeisters now? Seriously, thank God that CCP has their EULA or they'd have been sued repeatedly by now. I'm not wondering how much ISK was made by BOB. . .I'm wondering how much ISK was LOST by alliances like ASCN. I mean, how many outposts did those guys have? Of course they could have lost their space w/o BOB being helped by the devs, but getting free T2 ammo and whatnot sure does go a long way to making their downfall a lot easier/quicker. Of course, T20 only admits to the T2 BPO situation because that's the only wrongdoing of his with solid evidence at this point. Does anyone really think that he wasn't passing info, secrets, and God knows what else to BOB along with the BPOs? If he's willing to hand over those BPOs than I'm sure he was willing to let BOB know where their enemies were, what they were flying, when events were going to happen, etc. and so forth. T20 should be looking for work right now instead of putting out this nonsense blog that his bosses prolly MADE him write. Sir Molle should also be gone for good. If Kugutsumen is axed for exposing CCPs dirty underbelly and giving out real info then Molle should get a boot right up his keister as well. Seriously, the problem here is the mindset of folks at CCP. They don't see devs playing the game as wrong. They don't see their employees holding back major parts of the game from the players (T2 BPOs, lord knows what else) as wrong. It's fairly obvious from the complete and utter non-action on this issue - before an outside source spilled the beans - that CCP had no plans whatsoever to rectify this situation. Thus, it clearly points to a bias towards certain players in the game (BOB) that has overridden their concerns for the playerbase as a whole. This bias has spilled over to all parts of their business from inside Tranquility, to EVE-O, even to EON which isn't officially run by CCP, right? CCP needs to learn how to seperate the beer drinking, fanfest, interacting with their customers hoopla from running their business. Drafting a better code of ethics might help as well. Oh yeah, and hire someone like me with a communications degree and a PR background to replace kieron as the official spokesman for CCP so you don't have these vague, weird, nonsensical "informational" posts. Oh yeah, but first you gotta lose the bias and quit lying to your customers. That's the first step. Thanks for finally giving me my damn picture!
Primus Centarus	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:17:00 - [1080] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus OMG! He had some gate camping T2 sniper ammo too!!!!!!!!! Your right.. He gave an unfair advantage to his alliance.. DPJ, "Sabre Blueprints" are used to make these. Does that LOOK like missiles/ammo to you?



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