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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.12 05:57:00 -
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Wow.. So many things to reply to.. Gimmie a min..
Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I? |
10bears
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Posted - 2007.02.12 05:57:00 -
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Eve doesn't feel the same. It feels like a childs game.
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Fuujin
Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.02.12 05:58:00 -
[2703]
Take the logoffski garbage somewhere else, this isn't the thread for it.
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.12 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: Fuujin Take the logoffski garbage somewhere else, this isn't the thread for it.
Actually your correct.. I was only using it as one example of all the other forms of cheating in eve that noone ever gets called out on.. Not to start a logoffski disscussion..
Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I? |
MrDisposable
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2007.02.12 06:12:00 -
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Edited by: MrDisposable on 12/02/2007 06:09:02 To get the thread back on track and to sum up.
GM cheating = fired Dev cheating != fired Kug posting personal info = perma banned Sir Molle posting pers info != perma banned Fix the "!=" and I will be not as ****ed. Conduct a real probe and I will be a happy camper(figuratively... I don't gate camp) ______________ BoB Alt
"This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" |
Toria Nynys
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.12 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Hale Haleson I wasn't really going to comment on this, but multiple people in my corporation are looking to leave the game because of this so I'm going to throw my two cents in.
T20 should be terminated. He should also provide a list of all players that were aware of this situation and all of their characters banned from the game. An investigation should be done of T20's and all developers dealings in game to make sure the full extend of the cheating is known (I doubt it stops at T2 ammo). Any other developers acting this way should also be terminated.
Any GMs that abused their GM accounts to aid any in game alliance should be terminated. Any GMs that were aware of this and did not report it should be reprimanded. Any GM management that was aware of this should be demoted.
So far so good.
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Kieron should be removed as community rep due to his handling of the situation.
Woah, there pardner. What the HELL? Kieron is not the problem here. He did channel some obvious BS, but that didn't come from him -- I suspect the BS came from the same lying dev who caused this storm down on CCP in the first place. There's no reason to call for his head as well. There has been absolutely nothing to implicate him in any wrongdoing.
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CCP employees should only be permitted to belong to noob corps. Any other involvement in the game conveys an unfair advantage.
Once again, disagreed. Devs should experience the high end content of the game. Too many games lose their luster outside of the newbie levels because the devs aren't active at the endgame.
The problem is GMs and other people in positions of authority get too attached to their characters, their in-game friendships, etc. and then abuse 'I WIN' buttons to the detriment of everyone else.
An external review board and swift, decisive action taken whenever abuses are detected should fix this. An internal affairs group made up of the same people commiting the crimes probably not so much.
CCP leadership needs to decide whether they want to continue pwning the noobs paying their salaries, or pwn in RL due to having a successful gaming company.
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Bob should be banned from alliance tourneys.
I admit there's some shady things with the organizer of the tourneys being IN the winning alliance, but that's once again an abuse of a single person. Not the fault of most of the people in the alliance.
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.12 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Shameless Avenger
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus ...bla blah... to make a year old incident with little to no impact on the game ...blah blah
Dude, if I had won that BPO one year ago, I can assure you it would have made a HUGE impact for ->me<-.
For you as an individual: yes.. For t20 as an individual: yes.. For BoB as a whole and its effect on their Military achivements: insignificant to nil.. The bpos will be reseeded and youll have your insignificant (this is not sarcasm or a flame its simply the truth) chance to get it.. t20's possesion of it had an insignificant effect on eve as a whole as all the items he made with said bpos were already available in the markets for all to buy in more than sufficient quantitys..
So ya little to no impact on the game..
Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I? |
Nadarius Chrome
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.12 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: Grash Freedom
To those that say fire t20 quote: From a crazy man that walked on the earth 2007 years ago
"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone"
As for the rest, well CCP do your job you have a lot of banning to do
So all punishment is out as an option? Ridiculous. Rhetoric (especially from 20 centuries ago) is completely immaterial to here and now.
Originally by: Ivana Teetoobeepio So, rant over. Who wants my stuff (PS there arent any bloody T2 bpos in my hangar)
I'll take some if there's anything left.
Originally by: Stede Bonnet The onyl proof they can use is stuff said in game, or at ccp functions, otherwise it would be open to tampering.
Or, presumably, anything that a repentant dev would be willing to admit to. EG knowledge of supposed shared cynonet alts and knowledge/approval of account selling. That is presuming it happened when he was still in RKK. Remember, he got booted from there last summer...
All in all, I'm disappointed that it happened, I'm disappointed in the way it was dealt with 7 months ago, and I'm disappointed in the way it's being dealt with now. Enough of the "selective enforcement" of the EULA we're seeing now. Ban them all, or ban none of them. You cannot expect to ban Kugutsumen on a debatable EULA violation yet allow many other violations pass. I hope to see more answers. This thread is going to keep going until one of three things happens.
- We break the forums from overloading.
- The thread gets locked and you hope it all goes away.
- You put all the cards on the table. We don't need the gory details. We just need to know that justice was served equally.
In the mean time, may the war on BoB and its slaves/hired guns continue. If the devs are unwilling and/or unable to clean this mess up, then let the playerbase do it the only way we can; with blazing guns!
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EvilSyKOSkitzo
Crabbs
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Posted - 2007.02.12 06:39:00 -
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So basically,
CCP has decided to:
1. Make T20 applogise for using his DEV abilities to cheat 2. Return the T2 BPOs which where acquired by T20 3. And, they have set up a special unit
Have I missed something? Because, I swear that after reading through Kugs forum there was a lot more to this whole fiasco.
CCP I'am not going to quit EVE but I'am going to ask what credibility do you have left? Was it worth you taking such a lenient approach towards T20 and the BOB members involved in this?
- Evil
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Hennry Fromer
Gallente radiated space gerbils
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Posted - 2007.02.12 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Originally by: Shameless Avenger
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus ...bla blah... to make a year old incident with little to no impact on the game ...blah blah
Dude, if I had won that BPO one year ago, I can assure you it would have made a HUGE impact for ->me<-.
For you as an individual: yes.. For t20 as an individual: yes.. For BoB as a whole and its effect on their Military achivements: insignificant to nil.. The bpos will be reseeded and youll have your insignificant (this is not sarcasm or a flame its simply the truth) chance to get it.. t20's possesion of it had an insignificant effect on eve as a whole as all the items he made with said bpos were already available in the markets for all to buy in more than sufficient quantitys..
So ya little to no impact on the game..
Of course there are still several questions around this that really need some answers.
Were these spawned or was the tech2 lottery manipulated to get these?
Were these caught by CCP's reviewing the logs and thier new system or from the mails that were stolen from BoB's website?
If the mails were the source why do the lists not match?
Why were they left if they were ill-gotten goods?
Why did it take this ****-storm to have action taken if the investigation was over several months ago?
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Fester Addams
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.12 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Originally by: Azerrad InExile Edited by: Azerrad InExile on 12/02/2007 05:25:41
As much as I hate it, the logoffski maneuver is not a breach of the EULA, so why would anyone get punished for it?
When used in a bubblecamp to escape being killed its an exploit.. one that can be proven through the logs but as all of eve is doing it its not practical to enforce.. Cant ban a quarter of the playerbase can we.. All I brought that up for was to bring a little levety into the discussion is all.. To remind some of our more rabid posters out for dev/bob blood that the t20 infraction is just one more part of eve that isn't roses and sunshine and perfect.. And maybe to remind some of those who are baying for blood that they may be a bit guilty of exploits themselves.. Can't call the kettle black if your a skillet ya know..
Odd, you do realise that you imply that a quarter of the playing devs create T2 prints for themselves, Im sure that is not your intention but thats what you are saying...
I also spotted in your earlier thread that this was a year old issue, well I cant speak for anyone else but the first time I saw evidence that misconduct had taken place was just a few days ago, I had heard rumors but would not, could not belive that a dev would cheat and give himself, his corp or his friends any unfair advantage especially as the CCP stated penalty for this is termination from the company.
Well now we have, from t20's own hands a confession that he did not only cheat to get some mundane items but T2 BPO's, nomatter what level T2 BPO's represent the pinnacle of what you can own in this game, only Titans and Motherships could be considered more impressive.
The claim by Kieron is that this was found out about 6 months ago and that t20 was punished back then for this missconduct.
The questions naturally are: A) why was t20 not terminated back then? B) why were the prints not removed back then? C) why were not the benificiaries of the ill gotten prints fined for using them?
Remember here that there has been a number of similar cases where people who have aquired isk by ill gotten ways and given isk to an unaware third party and this third party has been fined. A similar crime should have a similar punishment.
We then come to the fact that you have known about this issue for a whole year, a full six months longer than CCP has. This is an interesting slip, if you indeed are a BoB alt (If you are then you are a noname in that alliance, you are actually doing more damage to CCP and BoB than you do good) this would be proof that this is a far bigger problem than we have thus far seen, it would also meen all your accounts should be permabanned as per the rules.
As for exploiting people crying foul at every moment... yes they do, that is the nature of cheaters, abuse every meens possible to further their own goals. However its also the nature of cheaters to against all reason claim innocence or trivialize the crime when caught with claims such as everyon does it, it wasnt really a crime at all...
You dear sir fill that role admirably.
Now quit posting before you really manage to get yourself permabanned, CCP will be needing your subscription money once this is over and done with
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Booster Junkie
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Posted - 2007.02.12 06:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus For BoB as a whole and its effect on their Military achivements: insignificant to nil.. t20's possesion of it had an insignificant effect on eve as a whole.
So ya little to no impact on the game..
Proof or STFU.
^^ That has a whole new flavor to it now, but I kind of like how it tastes.
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Toria Nynys
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.12 06:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus The bpos will be reseeded and youll have your insignificant (this is not sarcasm or a flame its simply the truth) chance to get it..
Six months later. We have no idea what would have happened if the same BPOs wound up in some small corp that would have had the huge financial boost it needed to buy other tech2 BPOs, grow up, and join other 0.0 alliances.
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t20's possesion of it had an insignificant effect on eve as a whole as all the items he made with said bpos were already available in the markets for all to buy in more than sufficient quantitys..
And once again you ignore the importance of strategic availability of interdictors and ammo *WHERE THEY ARE NEEDED*, without the need for BoB alliance members to either farm cash or to make trips to empire to pick them up. Timesavings used to PvP, and gain more of an advantage. If sold, money earned to buy OTHER tech2 BPOs and gain more of an advantage.
Why are you deliberately ignoring this point time and time again and focusing solely on the market value of these BPOs as the fraction of RKK's net worth? Yes, they *could* have farmed to buy the same assets, but they didn't have to -- they got the advantage for free.
Do you honestly think e.g. goons with nearly free 'best' interdictors (aka suicide ships) wouldn't have made a bigger dent in other alliances by now?
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So ya little to no impact on the game..
We will never know. One thing's for sure -- alliances fighting BoB would not turn down the use of the same BPOs for six months, worthless as they may be.
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.12 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: MrDisposable No Ctrl+q is not a valid subject in this thread about.... are you paying attention.... DEV MISCONDUCT
I know this is difficult when your foaming at the mouth, troll but I want you to do something. Look at the title of the thread. What does it say? Now go back thru the other 96 pages.. anything about Ctrl+Q? Either you have ADHD or are doing what BoB always does... side tracks. This isn't about BoB.
This thread is about T20 and his (Dred'edit.. pay close attention to this next word)------>CHEATING<-------.
Oh.. so this thread is about cheating and its possible ramifications in the game and punishments for said actions? Dear me.. how did I miss that..
Quote: This is about the actions taken against him balanced by the actions taken against the spawning GM 7 motnhs ago. Since Kug has been a victim (willing) in all this and been banned, this brings up why Sir Molle should get equal treatment. I guess this thread is about equality.
Well not to be to harsh but as far as t20 and the GM go thats internal CCP business and no business of yours or any subscriber to the game.. CPP has all the relavent info to make the descision to fire or discipline a member of its staff for an infraction and can be fined huge amounts of money if internal disciplinary action details are disclosed in public.. As far as the Kug vs Molle thing its pretty simple for me.. CCP has discretionary power in enforcing the EULA based on the severity of the infraction and the reputaion of said player.. Kug = known griefer hacker with no good intentions to eve and Molle = mostly good player who contributes to eve.. Kinda makes who to keep and who to boot kinda simple eh?
Quote: Oh btw I have never fought against BoB, actually I have never even been on that side of 0.0 I do not have an agenda against BoB. I have one against uneven treatment. So if you are done being stupid I think we can continue in this thread about.... nm you probally stopped reading already.
Yup and I believe that just like you do me.. See the irony?
Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I? |
Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Booster Junkie
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus For BoB as a whole and its effect on their Military achivements: insignificant to nil.. t20's possesion of it had an insignificant effect on eve as a whole.
So ya little to no impact on the game..
Proof or STFU.
^^ That has a whole new flavor to it now, but I kind of like how it tastes.
ROFL..
hehe.. thats the rub mate.. noone here can get any valid proof at all that anyone will beleive.. Just the same ole retoric from all sides.. But hey it passes the time till the next skill change..
Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I? |
Mortania
Minmatar Carbide Industries Apocalyptica.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:06:00 -
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It seems to me the account sharing part of the EULA needs to be removed.
It's not really enforced, it feels more like a bunch of the driving infraction laws here in the US, they are there just so that the police can pull you over when they want to.
I've been thinking about it for a few days, basically kept up with this whole thread and the crux of the issue for me is: why didn't CCP remove the offending BPOs when t20 was discovered 6+ months ago?
If CCP can answer this in a reasonable way, I think I will be mostly ok with the matter.
--- Thoughts on "recent events"
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Toria Nynys
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Originally by: MrDisposable
Well not to be to harsh but as far as t20 and the GM go thats internal CCP business and no business of yours or any subscriber to the game..
Well, we can try and make ourselves heard when something blatantly stinks. Then when in a few months subscriber totals aren't up to projections, perhaps someone would go "You know. Maybe it isn't the size of the advertisement budget this quarter, maybe we should reign in GMs and devs abusing their powers to grief the paying customers?"
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As far as the Kug vs Molle thing its pretty simple for me.. CCP has discretionary power in enforcing the EULA based on the severity of the infraction and the reputaion of said player.. Kug = known griefer hacker with no good intentions to eve and Molle = mostly good player who contributes to eve.. Kinda makes who to keep and who to boot kinda simple eh?
You can't possibly be this simple. If you're a popular player (or in this case member of the right alliance) you can ignore rules which are enforced for everyone else? This is utter garbage and you know it. Selective law enforcement has always resulted in poor outcomes for all. Selective rule enforcement is a bad idea for an online game. When you think about it for a bit (hint: think dollars from the few popular players immune from rules vs. entire player base constrained by them) and you'll see why.
Or, you're simply a troll as others have stated.
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MrDisposable
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:12:00 -
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Edited by: MrDisposable on 12/02/2007 07:11:38
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Originally by: MrDisposable No Ctrl+q is not a valid subject in this thread about.... are you paying attention.... DEV MISCONDUCT
I know this is difficult when your foaming at the mouth, troll but I want you to do something. Look at the title of the thread. What does it say? Now go back thru the other 96 pages.. anything about Ctrl+Q? Either you have ADHD or are doing what BoB always does... side tracks. This isn't about BoB.
This thread is about T20 and his
Oh.. so this thread is about cheating and its possible ramifications in the game and punishments for said actions? Dear me.. how did I miss that..
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Originally by: Fuujin Take the logoffski garbage somewhere else, this isn't the thread for it.
Actually your correct.. I was only using it as one example of all the other forms of cheating in eve that noone ever gets called out on.. Not to start a logoffski disscussion..
Drugs are bad m'kay.
Oh and do not put words in my mouth. Lets see how you like it
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus I am an obvious BoB troll who is also mentally challenged
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus [Well not to be to harsh but as far as t20 and the GM go thats internal CCP business and no business of yours or any subscriber to the game.. CPP has all the relavent info to make the descision to fire or discipline a member of its staff for an infraction and can be fined huge amounts of money if internal disciplinary action details are disclosed in public.. As far as the Kug vs Molle thing its pretty simple for me.. CCP has discretionary power in enforcing the EULA based on the severity of the infraction and the reputaion of said player.. Kug = known griefer hacker with no good intentions to eve and Molle = mostly good player who contributes to eve.. Kinda makes who to keep and who to boot kinda simple eh?
Preferential treatment is what this entire thread is about and yet here you are arguing for it. Ok So if Orc A, CYVOK, DS or Seleene where to post personal information about DBP that would be ok right? Your logic is retarded.
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus [ Quote: Oh btw I have never fought against BoB, actually I have never even been on that side of 0.0 I do not have an agenda against BoB. I have one against uneven treatment. So if you are done being stupid I think we can continue in this thread about.... nm you probally stopped reading already.
Yup and I believe that just like you do me.. See the irony?
Whatever. I will let my actions speak for themself, yours have spoken for you. ______________ BoB Alt
"This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" |
Rugin Astra
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:21:00 -
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I doubt any information on the Sir Molle situation will be forthcoming as it would violate the CCP rule of not discussing GM decisions.
From what I've read, rumors of favortism and inappropriate employee/volunteer behavior have been around for years. Some measures were in place to audit logs and such. Yet, only recently additional measures have been instituted to police themselves internally, according to Mr. Hellmar's blog. So, why now to institute the IA division and revisit the policies? If you are genuinely concerned with the perception of your game, I say bravo! and late is better than never.
The cynic in me fears that it may be too little, too late. Currently, a portion of the playerbase believes an unsavory persona on the internet has more credibility than CCP's community manager. And these added measures and admissions seem more a tactic to placate a vocal portion of the customer base than a legitimate attempt to bring integrity to the game.
One of CCP's employees showed more loyalty to a player organization than he did to CCP. (If there is another explanation/interpretation for his behavior please tell me.) He is not only still employed by CCP, but the company seemingly hid his actions from the community until months later.
So what happens if I file a petition, do GM's recuse themselves if they are affiliated with those involved in the incident or were a part of it? How am I guranteed or even remotely confident that I have my grevience read by an impartial person.
There is a quote from a televison mini-series, "Never put yourself in a position where you can take from these men." I do not wish to draw parallels between the context that was said in and the current situation. But, I do believe CCP should take to heart an ammended version of it: Never put yourself in a position where you can appear to take from a segment of the community for the benefit of your own character or friends.
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Ishmael Hansen
No Quarter. C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:23:00 -
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JESUS
Information doesn't kill you...
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Morgain dVher
Minmatar The Rat Pack
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:25:00 -
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Jesus -
You are totally discredited. Perhaps you and Maya are both being paid by the same master. Please leave the discussion, your thoughts are irrelevant and have been discredited. There are others who are making similar posts and who have some credibility. Your continued posting is detracting from their . . . limited believability.
amen we do not, and never have tolarated to even a slight degree, any cheating within EVE. We are much too fully aware of the possible consequences of allowing any cheating to go on among the GM's. |
Gut Punch
Gallente The Revenant
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:28:00 -
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CCP: Are we going to get answers to direct questions asked in this thread?? Why should I follow the EULA? BoB doesn't and yet you still let them exist in the game. In fact, how can you even ask us to follow any rules at all? You don't follow your own!
Why did you wait 6 months to tell us?Why didn't you remove the BPOs and all items/money created from it 6 months agoIt is clear that the leadership of RKK, and probably others in BoB, knew about the cheating but they are still allowed to play?How are you going to prevent this sort of thing from happening again? What are you going to do to dev players to keep this from happening again?How do you plan to reassure all of us who don't play in BoB that we are getting a fair chance?What are you going to do for those of us who where systematically silenced when we asked questions about your conduct?Most importantly, in the very competitive MMORPG market of today, how do you expect to attract new players or keep your current playerbase after the media coverage of this disaster and your attempts to white wash and sweep it under the rug?
See, it all boils down to the question: Why should I stay here in this game? Why should any of us who don't play in BoB? The playing field isn't level. You ruthlessly enforce the EULA for us "small people" while you turn a blind eye to those you play with. You cover up the blatent favortism you have.
Ask yourself what advantage your game has over the vast collection available on the Internet? ---
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Morgain dVher
Minmatar The Rat Pack
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:32:00 -
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Um, guys?
Gut Punch has a point.
And still I quote Ender:
we do not, and never have tolarated to even a slight degree, any cheating within EVE. We are much too fully aware of the possible consequences of allowing any cheating to go on among the GM's. |
Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:35:00 -
[2724]
Originally by: Fester Addams
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus stuff
Odd, you do realise that you imply that a quarter of the playing devs create T2 prints for themselves, Im sure that is not your intention but thats what you are saying..
No *you* just implied it.. I said the playerbase not the devs..
Quote: I also spotted in your earlier thread that this was a year old issue, well I cant speak for anyone else but the first time I saw evidence that misconduct had taken place was just a few days ago, I had heard rumors but would not, could not belive that a dev would cheat and give himself, his corp or his friends any unfair advantage especially as the CCP stated penalty for this is termination from the company.
No matter what t20 did he was *one*(singular) dev and was found out and punished for it.. The severity of his discipline is CCP's matter not mine or yours.. Who gets fired and who gets unpaid time off or a pay cut or whatever they did to discpline t20 is also an internal matter as its a private company.. You are not required by law to give the same punishment for the same crime in any system of law.. Point is that we have no details about how the GM's interview over his infraction went and never will.. Maybe the GM had an attitude or completely lame excuse and was canned for it? Maybe t20 was testing out some private thoery and the bpos were part of that test and he convinced CCP its was not meant to be cheating and was for the good of the game as a whole and they agreed? Who knows.. and we never will..
Quote: Well now we have, from t20's own hands a confession that he did not only cheat to get some mundane items but T2 BPO's, nomatter what level T2 BPO's represent the pinnacle of what you can own in this game, only Titans and Motherships could be considered more impressive.
For a player yes.. for a dev no.. hes playing the game to *further* the game.. Not like a subscruber who pays his monthty to grind his way to glory and have everyone admire his cunning and savvy.. If he spawned the items then more than likey there was a good dev related reason to do so that had something to do with his job as a dev.. maybe it was something he wanted to try but was turned down by higher ups? They did catch him and punish him you know.. nothing has been supressed that a company would normally make public.. any company..
Quote: stuff
look earlier in the thread.. im just repeating what someone else said about it being a year ago..
Quote: Now quit posting before you really manage to get yourself permabanned, CCP will be needing your subscription money once this is over and done with
Why would I be permabanned?
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MrDisposable
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:40:00 -
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Edited by: MrDisposable on 12/02/2007 07:42:05 Wow dred... so now we should all be thanking T20 for giving T2 BPOs to BoB. My good god man do you even read the stuff you type?
HE HIMSELF admitted it was wrong.
CCP has stated before that any employee found to cheat will be canned. This inspires consumer confidence in their product. So far CCP has lied.
Quote: look earlier in the thread.. im just repeating what someone else said about it being a year ago..
So now you just believe everything anyone tells you. No research or investigation.. nada. Ok its all starting to make sense now. ______________ BoB Alts
"This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!"
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Morgain dVher
Minmatar The Rat Pack
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:40:00 -
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Jesus -
Now it's time for you to come clean.
Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
so which are you?
And am I misquoting:
we do not, and never have tolarated to even a slight degree, any cheating within EVE. We are much too fully aware of the possible consequences of allowing any cheating to go on among the GM's. |
Liquid Vision
Caldari Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:45:00 -
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I doubt we ever get an answer. Pretty simple reason why too. The highest high ups at CCP are the ones involved. Just hear me out and try not to scream tin-foil hat before you read it.
CCP was created, in part, by a LARGE group of people that played in the same guild over on Ultima Online. Supposedly they were a buncha pvp griefers and ruled with an iron-fist. Anyways. . .all those guys came over to CCP and MANY of them are on the dev team. So, you gotta buncha guys that played together in UO and then started their own game or started their own crew inside a game they were developing, whatever you wanna call it. Why is it such a leap of imagination to believe that these guys would want to play together again? Of COURSE they would. So, this idea that there are devs in EVERY alliance and blah blah blah is just as unfounded as the idea that ALL devs are in BOB. . .and I'd be willing to suggest that the latter is MUCH more plausible than the former. In fact, while it can't be "proven" of course. . .many folks in the know suspect that Oveur and kieron themselves play in BOB as well as Lemonde (who might not even be of voting age yet he's a dev. . .no offense Lemonde)
So, this idea that T20 is the ONLY dev in BOB and the ONLY dev helping BOB is just as asinine as any wild-eyed conspiracy theory thrown out there. However, I'd argue that circumstances seem to point towards multiple high-ranking devs/employees being in BOB and giving them an unfair advantage. Of course we'll never know unless kugutsumen decides to hack CCP and expose their logs, because they sure as hell aren't gonna spill the beans. They had 6 months to place all the blame on T20 and be up-front with the community and instead they covered it up. Probably because the rest of them are just as guilty as T20.
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: Liquid Vision I doubt we ever get an answer. Pretty simple reason why too. The highest high ups at CCP are the ones involved. Just hear me out and try not to scream tin-foil hat before you read it.
CCP was created, in part, by a LARGE group of people that played in the same guild over on Ultima Online. Supposedly they were a buncha pvp griefers and ruled with an iron-fist. Anyways. . .all those guys came over to CCP and MANY of them are on the dev team. So, you gotta buncha guys that played together in UO and then started their own game or started their own crew inside a game they were developing, whatever you wanna call it. Why is it such a leap of imagination to believe that these guys would want to play together again? Of COURSE they would. So, this idea that there are devs in EVERY alliance and blah blah blah is just as unfounded as the idea that ALL devs are in BOB. . .and I'd be willing to suggest that the latter is MUCH more plausible than the former. In fact, while it can't be "proven" of course. . .many folks in the know suspect that Oveur and kieron themselves play in BOB as well as Lemonde (who might not even be of voting age yet he's a dev. . .no offense Lemonde)
So, this idea that T20 is the ONLY dev in BOB and the ONLY dev helping BOB is just as asinine as any wild-eyed conspiracy theory thrown out there. However, I'd argue that circumstances seem to point towards multiple high-ranking devs/employees being in BOB and giving them an unfair advantage. Of course we'll never know unless kugutsumen decides to hack CCP and expose their logs, because they sure as hell aren't gonna spill the beans. They had 6 months to place all the blame on T20 and be up-front with the community and instead they covered it up. Probably because the rest of them are just as guilty as T20.
Well FFS.. finally a plausible conspiracy theory.. At least *This* one makes sense.. I applaud you Liquid.. But yeah your right.. We we will never know..
Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I? |
Morgain dVher
Minmatar The Rat Pack
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:55:00 -
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Liquid -
Thanks for the help on the other post.
Jesus -
Please come clean.
And still I quote Ender:
we do not, and never have tolarated to even a slight degree, any cheating within EVE. We are much too fully aware of the possible consequences of allowing any cheating to go on among the GM's. |
MrDisposable
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:59:00 -
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I do not think it matters either way really contrary to my sig.
This is about A dev cheating, who knew about it, and why it seems so little was done. Why was there a possible white-wash and what is CCP going to do about it?
A side note is given the same actions, why two different results. Kug is banned Sir Molle is not, they both posted personal information on the forums. ______________ BoB Alts
"This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!"
"Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve." |
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