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Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 07:59:00 - [2731] Originally by: MrDisposable Edited by: MrDisposable on 12/02/2007 07:42:05 Wow dred... so now we should all be thanking T20 for giving T2 BPOs to BoB. My good god man do you even read the stuff you type? HE HIMSELF admitted it was wrong. CCP has stated before that any employee found to cheat will be canned. This inspires consumer confidence in their product. So far CCP has lied. So the possiblilty that he was doing it as an experiment for some idea he had for the game is not viable to you? That maybe when the final vote arrived over termination or internal discplinary action they felt that what he did was indeed not a cheat and actually served some purpose? So by your reckoning t20's sole reason was to get a huge e-peen with his bob mates and forward bobs cause then? Thats a huge conclusion with no hard info to back it up.. Quote: look earlier in the thread.. im just repeating what someone else said about it being a year ago.. So now you just believe everything anyone tells you. No research or investigation.. nada. Ok its all starting to make sense now. I'm doing just as much if not more research than you mate.. Its just fun making you work at things to discredit me with.. Funny when you find yourself dancing to anothers tune eh? Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Morgain dVher Minmatar The Rat Pack	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:00:00 - [2732] Jesus - Still no answer? we do not, and never have tolarated to even a slight degree, any cheating within EVE. We are much too fully aware of the possible consequences of allowing any cheating to go on among the GM's.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:04:00 - [2733] Originally by: Morgain dVher Jesus - Please come clean. Ok Ok.. I'm actually in the paid employ of star trek online to sow fear and distrust amongst the competing mmo's.. Wait till you see the Anarchy Online forums tommorow.. and if you believe any of that you'll probably take the majority of the responces in this thread that way too.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Morgain dVher Minmatar The Rat Pack	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:07:00 - [2734] Maya is gone, Jesus is here. I'm human and need to sleep. Keep pressing people, even after those who started are banned. There's a problem here and ther will be no answers without pressure. Any corp that is attacked by BoB now must assume that its being attacked by CCP as well until proven otherwise. I hope I can comment tomorrow. If not, I'll start a blog and find a way to link players to it. Tinfoil hat on, logging off. we do not, and never have tolarated to even a slight degree, any cheating within EVE. We are much too fully aware of the possible consequences of allowing any cheating to go on among the GM's.
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:09:00 - [2735] Edited by: MrDisposable on 12/02/2007 08:06:22 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus So the possiblilty that he was doing it as an experiment for some idea he had for the game is not viable to you? That maybe when the final vote arrived over termination or internal discplinary action they felt that what he did was indeed not a cheat and actually served some purpose? So by your reckoning t20's sole reason was to get a huge e-peen with his bob mates and forward bobs cause then? Thats a huge conclusion with no hard info to back it up.. Hey look a blog Quote: look earlier in the thread.. im just repeating what someone else said about it being a year ago.. Quote: I'm doing just as much if not more research than you mate.. Its just fun making you work at things to discredit me with.. Funny when you find yourself dancing to anothers tune eh? I really don't need to discredit you, you are doing all the work for me. Check out the sig. Who do you think I got all the BS from? Everything I have stated is not heresay. Sir Molle did post personal information on the forums. T20 did cheat. CCP has shown favoritism. Proof or STFU ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:09:00 - [2736] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 12/02/2007 08:06:03 Originally by: Morgain dVher Maya is gone, Jesus is here. I'm human and need to sleep. Keep pressing people, even after those who started are banned. There's a problem here and ther will be no answers without pressure. Any corp that is attacked by BoB now must assume that its being attacked by CCP as well until proven otherwise. I hope I can comment tomorrow. If not, I'll start a blog and find a way to link players to it. Tinfoil hat on, logging off. Oh christ(!) man give it a break.. Its sunday FFS.. If after DT on monday there is no more official info then plz try to break the 400 page barrier.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:12:00 - [2737] Edited by: MrDisposable on 12/02/2007 08:10:00 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 12/02/2007 08:06:03 Originally by: Morgain dVher Maya is gone, Jesus is here. I'm human and need to sleep. Keep pressing people, even after those who started are banned. There's a problem here and ther will be no answers without pressure. Any corp that is attacked by BoB now must assume that its being attacked by CCP as well until proven otherwise. I hope I can comment tomorrow. If not, I'll start a blog and find a way to link players to it. Tinfoil hat on, logging off. Oh christ(!) man give it a break.. Its sunday FFS.. If after DT on monday there is no more official info then plz try to break the 400 page barrier.. Its monday 8:09 a.m. in iceland as of your posting. Is there anything you are ever right about? Oh by what you said I can then expect you to disappear in 5 hours never to be seen again in this thread eh? OMG thank you so much!!!! ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:13:00 - [2738] Originally by: MrDisposable I really don't need to discredit you, you are doing all the work for me. Check out the sig. Who do you think I got all the BS from? Errm.. from your posts and comments? Those are all your words not mine.. They might be loosly based on some things I said but the twist is all you baby.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:16:00 - [2739] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: MrDisposable I really don't need to discredit you, you are doing all the work for me. Check out the sig. Who do you think I got all the BS from? Errm.. from your posts and comments? Those are all your words not mine.. They might be loosly based on some things I said but the twist is all you baby.. Who is dancing now? Dev cheats != fired GM cheats = fired Sirmolle breaks EULA != permabanned Kugu breaks the EULA = permabanned These statements are 100% accurate. Proof or STFU troll. ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:16:00 - [2740] Originally by: MrDisposable Its monday 8:09 a.m. in iceland as of your posting. Is there anything you are ever right about? Well its still sunday were im at And everyone in iceland is just now trudging into the office to start the daily grind and try to put together a finalized responce.. think you would have it all ready at opening time on the first day after the weekend? Sheese impatient people.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?

Dravin Dread	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:17:00 - [2741] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus <whatever> Do not feed the troll.
Obivan Efa The Machines	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:19:00 - [2742] Funny.. If anyone of you did cheatings whould you limit yourself to several not top BPO's? Seems like somebody is just pulling our community's leg. "I don't belive it" (c)Konstantin Stanislavski ____________________________ Die, but perish! - viking's war-cry
Helox Gallente Demonic Retribution Pure.	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:19:00 - [2743] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: MrDisposable Its monday 8:09 a.m. in iceland as of your posting. Is there anything you are ever right about? Well its still sunday were im at And everyone in iceland is just now trudging into the office to start the daily grind and try to put together a finalized responce.. think you would have it all ready at opening time on the first day after the weekend? Sheese impatient people.. Let's face it, something of this magnitude (almost 100 pages in one thread after 3 days?) might be a reason to work on the weekend... -- the above is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect that of the little voices in my head -- READ!
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:19:00 - [2744] Originally by: MrDisposable Dev cheats != fired GM cheats = fired Sirmolle breaks EULA != permabanned Kugu breaks the EULA = permabanned These statements are 100% accurate. Proof or STFU troll. I dare anyone to refute this ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:20:00 - [2745] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 12/02/2007 08:16:17 Originally by: MrDisposable Who is dancing now? We both are with each other.. ain't it fun? Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:22:00 - [2746] Originally by: Helox Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: MrDisposable Its monday 8:09 a.m. in iceland as of your posting. Is there anything you are ever right about? Well its still sunday were im at And everyone in iceland is just now trudging into the office to start the daily grind and try to put together a finalized responce.. think you would have it all ready at opening time on the first day after the weekend? Sheese impatient people.. Let's face it, something of this magnitude (almost 100 pages in one thread after 3 days?) might be a reason to work on the weekend... I'm sure they have been.. but sheese at least let them get a few cups of coffee and a last minute meeting in.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:26:00 - [2747] Dred, I ask, doesn't it bother you that the info that K released was pretty accurate and that his site has other allegations? He got the dev, the corp, the bpos, and the dates all right, but the rest of it is speculation? Doesn't that seem a stretch? Furthermore, we have proof from the devs mouths that they are willing to keep things quiet when it comes to devs cheating. It follows that IF there were other cheating devs we would not know about it from CCP either, right? Again, until some whistleblower splatters undeniable facts to web, I can only assume that if some other wrong doing happens from devs at CCP, that we would be none-the-wiser. Doesn't that eat at you, just a little? --- Thoughts on "recent events"
Photon Lightwielder Amarr Divine Retribution	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:27:00 - [2748] Originally by: Gut Punch CCP: Are we going to get answers to direct questions asked in this thread?? Why should I follow the EULA? BoB doesn't and yet you still let them exist in the game. In fact, how can you even ask us to follow any rules at all? You don't follow your own! Why did you wait 6 months to tell us? Why didn't you remove the BPOs and all items/money created from it 6 months ago It is clear that the leadership of RKK, and probably others in BoB, knew about the cheating but they are still allowed to play? How are you going to prevent this sort of thing from happening again? What are you going to do to dev players to keep this from happening again? How do you plan to reassure all of us who don't play in BoB that we are getting a fair chance? What are you going to do for those of us who where systematically silenced when we asked questions about your conduct? Most importantly, in the very competitive MMORPG market of today, how do you expect to attract new players or keep your current playerbase after the media coverage of this disaster and your attempts to white wash and sweep it under the rug? See, it all boils down to the question: Why should I stay here in this game? Why should any of us who don't play in BoB? The playing field isn't level. You ruthlessly enforce the EULA for us "small people" while you turn a blind eye to those you play with. You cover up the blatent favortism you have. Ask yourself what advantage your game has over the vast collection available on the Internet? This guy for prez. All valid claims, needs to be answered!
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:33:00 - [2749] Originally by: Dravin Dread Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus <whatever> Do not feed the troll. You know what I find amusing Dravin? For the last two days I've been online and going to each races npc corp channle getting in game responces from the in game populace that outnumbers the in forum population by about a factor of 10.. Guess what the majority of the responces were to any attempt to bring up this topic? "blocked" Anyone who actually responded said things of the nature that it was just the "conspiracy of the week" and "you actually go to the forums?!" Its also interesting to note that alot of people in that channle claimed to be alts of bob or lv or ascn or whatever alliance they mentioned.. All of them were of the opinion that it was a non issue or not worth thier time to bother with.. All of them.. thats just bloody amazing.. in forum we have yet another fiasco and ingame noone give a rats ass and wants to be left alone to chat and play eve.. Not trying to draw any conclusions but it is an intresting observation.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:36:00 - [2750] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Dravin Dread Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus <whatever> Do not feed the troll. You know what I find amusing Dravin? For the last two days I've been online and going to each races npc corp channle getting in game responces from the in game populace that outnumbers the in forum population by about a factor of 10.. Guess what the majority of the responces were to any attempt to bring up this topic? "blocked" Anyone who actually responded said things of the nature that it was just the "conspiracy of the week" and "you actually go to the forums?!" Its also interesting to note that alot of people in that channle claimed to be alts of bob or lv or ascn or whatever alliance they mentioned.. All of them were of the opinion that it was a non issue or not worth thier time to bother with.. All of them.. thats just bloody amazing.. in forum we have yet another fiasco and ingame noone give a rats ass and wants to be left alone to chat and play eve.. Not trying to draw any conclusions but it is an intresting observation.. So, lemme see if I have this straight, people who don't go to the forums, don't have any knowledge, and are self-admittedly ignorant, say it's no big deal? Lemme chalk that up as valuable information. --- Thoughts on "recent events"

Plan Neun Caldari Ganja Unlimited CORE.	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:36:00 - [2751] What is CCP and Staff going to do with things like this? "Lord Stone (from Reykjavik, Iceland, where CCP is based), who was applying to join Reikoku, a corporation that's part of the BoB alliance, in March of 2005. Lord Stone's life was fairly unremarkable until March of the following year, when he was appointed to be a director in the corporation" This is fine by CCP? Is Devs going to continue to be in huge corps and be fleetcommanders? "I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:36:00 - [2752] Originally by: MrDisposable Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: MrDisposable I really don't need to discredit you, you are doing all the work for me. Check out the sig. Who do you think I got all the BS from? Errm.. from your posts and comments? Those are all your words not mine.. They might be loosly based on some things I said but the twist is all you baby.. Who is dancing now? Dev cheats != fired GM cheats = fired Sirmolle breaks EULA != permabanned Kugu breaks the EULA = permabanned These statements are 100% accurate. Proof or STFU troll. Let me quote something: [...]I wish to make it clear that I acted alone and my co-workers and corp/alliance mates have been cleared of any alleged wrongdoing. [...] That means T20 worked alone. So neither CCP nor RKK did know anything. Now in a true justice society, based on all countries in the world (except for those countries that give a dam in justice) all accusations have to be proved before told guilty. T20 have told us tht he spawned the BPOs fine. But he also told us he worked alone. And untill someone proves otherwise, this is what we should work from! What you are doing is hurting innocent players by accusing BoB for cheating when T20 works alone! In my opinion and in most legal justice societies, clearly and wrongly accusing people for something they have not done is just as bad as doing other criminal acts. Why not just let this topic die now please? We have got our answers. T20 have got its punishment, and its time to move on! I am sure CCP will handle any future cases if they should pop up, as they have did in this case. Even before it got into public! Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:37:00 - [2753] You know what is funny? Every time I have brought it up be it in alliance on my main or in the NPC corp channels people ask for links and start discussing it. Just goes to show you that these are completely subjective assertions eh? ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:40:00 - [2754] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: MrDisposable Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: MrDisposable I really don't need to discredit you, you are doing all the work for me. Check out the sig. Who do you think I got all the BS from? Errm.. from your posts and comments? Those are all your words not mine.. They might be loosly based on some things I said but the twist is all you baby.. Who is dancing now? Dev cheats != fired GM cheats = fired Sirmolle breaks EULA != permabanned Kugu breaks the EULA = permabanned These statements are 100% accurate. Proof or STFU troll. Let me quote something: [...]I wish to make it clear that I acted alone and my co-workers and corp/alliance mates have been cleared of any alleged wrongdoing. [...] That means T20 worked alone. So neither CCP nor RKK did know anything. Now in a true justice society, based on all countries in the world (except for those countries that give a dam in justice) all accusations have to be proved before told guilty. T20 have told us tht he spawned the BPOs fine. But he also told us he worked alone. And untill someone proves otherwise, this is what we should work from! What you are doing is hurting innocent players by accusing BoB for cheating when T20 works alone! In my opinion and in most legal justice societies, clearly and wrongly accusing people for something they have not done is just as bad as doing other criminal acts. Why not just let this topic die now please? We have got our answers. T20 have got its punishment, and its time to move on! I am sure CCP will handle any future cases if they should pop up, as they have did in this case. Even before it got into public! Dude, go read the website. Unless you wish to reject everything else but what has been exactly correct so far, there is the same proof that exposed t20 that exposes that RKK leadership knew, and more than one member, that they had a dev in their midst. --- Thoughts on "recent events"
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:41:00 - [2755] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: MrDisposable Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: MrDisposable I really don't need to discredit you, you are doing all the work for me. Check out the sig. Who do you think I got all the BS from? Errm.. from your posts and comments? Those are all your words not mine.. They might be loosly based on some things I said but the twist is all you baby.. Who is dancing now? Dev cheats != fired GM cheats = fired Sirmolle breaks EULA != permabanned Kugu breaks the EULA = permabanned These statements are 100% accurate. Proof or STFU troll. Let me quote something: [...]I wish to make it clear that I acted alone and my co-workers and corp/alliance mates have been cleared of any alleged wrongdoing. [...] That means T20 worked alone. So neither CCP nor RKK did know anything. Now in a true justice society, based on all countries in the world (except for those countries that give a dam in justice) all accusations have to be proved before told guilty. T20 have told us tht he spawned the BPOs fine. But he also told us he worked alone. And untill someone proves otherwise, this is what we should work from! What you are doing is hurting innocent players by accusing BoB for cheating when T20 works alone! In my opinion and in most legal justice societies, clearly and wrongly accusing people for something they have not done is just as bad as doing other criminal acts. Why not just let this topic die now please? We have got our answers. T20 have got its punishment, and its time to move on! I am sure CCP will handle any future cases if they should pop up, as they have did in this case. Even before it got into public! 1) The point=○_____you=☺ here is where you are in relation to it ○----------------------------------------------------------☺ 2)HE confessed to the crime after another source posted the exact details of it. T20 has no credibility and by his small admission he unknowningly confirmed the source. This mole hill is becoming a mountain. ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:41:00 - [2756] Originally by: Mortania Dred, I ask, doesn't it bother you that the info that K released was pretty accurate and that his site has other allegations? He got the dev, the corp, the bpos, and the dates all right, but the rest of it is speculation? Doesn't that seem a stretch? Furthermore, we have proof from the devs mouths that they are willing to keep things quiet when it comes to devs cheating. It follows that IF there were other cheating devs we would not know about it from CCP either, right? Again, until some whistleblower splatters undeniable facts to web, I can only assume that if some other wrong doing happens from devs at CCP, that we would be none-the-wiser. Doesn't that eat at you, just a little? Yeah it actually does eat at me.. I just guess the difference is that I still have faith in the integrity of CCP and that this issue will be resolved to the satisfaction of the intelligent and thoughtful members of the community.. Granted that no matter what new info is released certain factions in these forums will still cry foul and denounce whatever info is released as smoke and mirrors.. And as far a K is concerned hes a professonal hacker who has a tendency to get at info like that.. thing is you only have his word that the extra stuff he listed was really in the db and happened.. He might just be cunning enought to do a frame up.. give out the accurate info to get ccp to fess up and then plant additional info to make ccp look like they are covering it up and get his revenge.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
comrade christopher Minmatar Quantar Swords	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:44:00 - [2757] Edited by: comrade christopher on 12/02/2007 08:42:25 Edited by: comrade christopher on 12/02/2007 08:41:01 Where does this madness come from, ffs ?! Unfair advantage gained by having dev char in alliance makes most of us, eve community, sadly disappointed. Tha fact that it has been uncovered by a player, not CCP themselves make it's look bad. Keeping it in secret for over 6 months makes all of this look even worst. But ffs, I just cant stand a wall of whiners spamming this thread like mad. Community is, and should be keeping pressure on them. They should know how it taste to losse our trust. But some ppl just go too far here.... Demanding explaionations from CCP - OK Demanding heads - wtf ? "Try walking in my shoes" anyone ?? CCP are already handling this mater. Dev responsible for this, has already been punished. If CCP decided that he should keep his job, than let it be, I would never ask to frack his rl over this foolish act he commited, when on the other hand he also did so much for EVE from development side. Just imagine what kind of hell t20 is going through atm. I believe that from all ppl in CCP he would now be the last one to breach of community confidence. He has a debt to pay, let him do it, let him work on regaining our trust. and finaly - GO BACK TO GAME Go shoot, mine, explore, or whatever you do out there, some things jsut can't be undone, so stop digging deeper in open wound, let it heal ! If u feel like quitting eve cause of that than just do it. There is still a lot of ppl that just wanna move on with their in-game lifes. "Eve is not game - it's lifestyle ;) "
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:45:00 - [2758] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus And as far a K is concerned hes a professonal hacker who has a tendency to get at info like that.. thing is you only have his word that the extra stuff he listed was really in the db and happened.. He might just be cunning enought to do a frame up.. give out the accurate info to get ccp to fess up and then plant additional info to make ccp look like they are covering it up and get his revenge.. That whole revenge angle might work cept for the fact he posted this information long before he had reason to take revenge on CCP. Motives aren't backwards compatible. Speaking of hacking... how did Sir Molle get K's personal information anyway? ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:46:00 - [2759] Originally by: Mortania Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Dravin Dread Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus <whatever> Do not feed the troll. You know what I find amusing Dravin? For the last two days I've been online and going to each races npc corp channle getting in game responces from the in game populace that outnumbers the in forum population by about a factor of 10.. Guess what the majority of the responces were to any attempt to bring up this topic? "blocked" Anyone who actually responded said things of the nature that it was just the "conspiracy of the week" and "you actually go to the forums?!" Its also interesting to note that alot of people in that channle claimed to be alts of bob or lv or ascn or whatever alliance they mentioned.. All of them were of the opinion that it was a non issue or not worth thier time to bother with.. All of them.. thats just bloody amazing.. in forum we have yet another fiasco and ingame noone give a rats ass and wants to be left alone to chat and play eve.. Not trying to draw any conclusions but it is an intresting observation.. So, lemme see if I have this straight, people who don't go to the forums, don't have any knowledge, and are self-admittedly ignorant, say it's no big deal? Lemme chalk that up as valuable information. I said some people made the remark.. "you go to the forums?! the others all had read up on the topic and were unimpressed to say the least so I'd say the majority of comments were informed.. They just didnt care.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:46:00 - [2760] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Mortania Dred, I ask, doesn't it bother you that the info that K released was pretty accurate and that his site has other allegations? He got the dev, the corp, the bpos, and the dates all right, but the rest of it is speculation? Doesn't that seem a stretch? Furthermore, we have proof from the devs mouths that they are willing to keep things quiet when it comes to devs cheating. It follows that IF there were other cheating devs we would not know about it from CCP either, right? Again, until some whistleblower splatters undeniable facts to web, I can only assume that if some other wrong doing happens from devs at CCP, that we would be none-the-wiser. Doesn't that eat at you, just a little? Yeah it actually does eat at me.. I just guess the difference is that I still have faith in the integrity of CCP and that this issue will be resolved to the satisfaction of the intelligent and thoughtful members of the community.. Granted that no matter what new info is released certain factions in these forums will still cry foul and denounce whatever info is released as smoke and mirrors.. And as far a K is concerned hes a professonal hacker who has a tendency to get at info like that.. thing is you only have his word that the extra stuff he listed was really in the db and happened.. He might just be cunning enought to do a frame up.. give out the accurate info to get ccp to fess up and then plant additional info to make ccp look like they are covering it up and get his revenge.. Agreed. But we have corroborating evidence from ASCN that what he posted from their site was a verbatim dump, no added florish. This added to the fact that what CCP has admitted to matches up spot on with postings leaves a lot of doubt in my mind. But, honestly, I don't care about BoB, or SirMolle very much; I want CCP to come forth and be totally open. To be fair, if they had said last summer, "we found one of our devs was cheating, we have suspended his account and forbid him from playing on TQ anymore, and reversed any damages that he had done through his malfesance," I would have said WAY TO GO, CCP! and been done with it. It's the coverup that I can't seem to get over. --- Thoughts on "recent events"



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